Manuel Neuer

Hasn't he got one of the highest mistakes leading to goals in the Bundesliga? I think he's second in the past 3 seasons or something, which is crazy considering how little defending he should have to do compared to some of the other goalkeepers.

I have no source right now, so it's possibly bullshit, I just know I've read/heard it from a few places now that seemed credible enough at the time for me to take note.

I rate him, but best ever? I'm not sure he's the best right now, definitely in the top 3 but I dunno..
 
Alock1 said:
Hasn't he got one of the highest mistakes leading to goals in the Bundesliga? I think he's second in the past 3 seasons or something, which is crazy considering how little defending he should have to do compared to some of the other goalkeepers.

I have no source right now, so it's possibly bullshit, I just know I've read/heard it from a few places now that seemed credible enough at the time for me to take note.

I rate him, but best ever? I'm not sure he's the best right now, definitely in the top 3 but I dunno..
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No.

He had a bumpy start during his first season at Bayern with two pretty bad mistakes against Mönchengladbach (in two different games), but he's been basically flawless for the last two years. The last mistake I recall was a spilled freekick which he would have usually fisted away, but we were 5-0 up at the time so he was a little overconfident.
 
He is the best in world football and the contrast between him and Lloris as a 'sweeper keeper' is intriguing. Neuer is completely 100% decisive in every instance he's making and seldom makes an error which is staggering for the amount of times he deals with danger outside the box.
 
Godfather said:
I rate DDG higher than him.
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He hasn't proven himself as much as Neuer has. 2 very good seasons for United vs. 5 amazing seasons for Schalke/ Bayern in the League, the Champions League and the National team.
 
gofelx said:
He hasn't proven himself as much as Neuer has. 2 very good seasons for United vs. 5 amazing seasons for Schalke/ Bayern in the League, the Champions League and the National team.
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Yeah, obviously his every season at Schalke was world class, and de Gea didn't even have a life before United, he is born in what, 2012.?
 
He is comfortably the best goalkeeper in the world. I love De Gea, but right now I don't think that there should be even a debateabout who is the better keeper.

De Gea may have slightly better shot stopping ability (a big if considering that Neuer is ridiculously good at it too) but on al other aspects Neuer is better. Him on one on one chances is probably the best I have ever seen from a keeper (although Schmeichel and Buffon were great at it too( while he is also the best sweeper keeper I have ever seen. And also is very good to catch the ball from crosses.
 
AmarUnderscoreX2 said:
Yeah, obviously his every season at Schalke was world class, and de Gea didn't even have a life before United, he is born in what, 2012.?
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Do you remember this game for instance?

I get that many really like De Gea, but he isn't the best goalkeeper in the world.
 
gofelx said:


Do you remember this game for instance?

I get that many really like De Gea, but he isn't the best goalkeeper in the world.
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Do you remember this game for instance?

Joking aside, I think that 2010-2011 was the first season when Neuer emerged as a world class goalkeeper. I think that until that season Adler was better and he would have been Germany's keeper on the WC2010 if it wasn't for his injury. Then Neuer got his place as Germany's top keeper and became ridiculously good.

I think that De Gea is comfortably better than Neuer 4.5 years ago (when he was the same age as De Gea now). Currently, Neuer is comfortably the better keeper while for the second best keeper in the world I think that now is between De Gea and Courtuis.
 
Revan said:
I think that De Gea is comfortably better than Neuer 4.5 years ago (when he was the same age as De Gea now). Currently, Neuer is comfortably the better keeper while for the second best keeper in the world I think that now is between De Gea and Courtuis.
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Exactly.

We have a few excellent goalkeepers at the moment (and DDG is certainly one of them). It is no shame that he is not at the same level as Neuer yet.
 
gofelx said:


Do you remember this game for instance?

I get that many really like De Gea, but he isn't the best goalkeeper in the world.
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I never said he is the best goalkeeper, it's just funny how you are talking about Neuer like he is at this level for five years in a row, and at the same time saying that de Gea was good for only two seasons.
 
AmarUnderscoreX2 said:
I never said he is the best goalkeeper, it's just funny how you are talking about Neuer like he is at this level for five years in a row, and at the same time saying that de Gea was good for only two seasons.
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I'm not saying that. However, Neuer was incredibly good even 5 years a go. The 2010 WC proves that. Adler was world class at this time as well and more experienced, that is why he was the number 1 at the time. Bayern paid 25 million with one year left on the contract for a reason...

DDG hasn't shown that he is better than Neuer in these past 4 years, that's all I wanted to say.
Because you see this posted a lot on here:

Godfather said:
I rate DDG higher than him.
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gofelx said:
I'm not saying that. However, Neuer was incredibly good even 5 years a go. The 2010 WC proves that. Adler was world class at this time as well and more experienced, that is why he was the number 1 at the time. Bayern paid 25 million with one year left on the contract for a reason...

DDG hasn't shown that he is better than Neuer in these past 4 years, that's all I wanted to say.
Because you see this posted a lot on here:
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It is really strange the regress of Adler. He looked destined to become the best goalkeeper on the world, while now is probably only the fifth best German keeper or so.
 
Revan said:
It is really strange the regress of Adler. He looked destined to become the best goalkeeper on the world, while now is probably only the fifth best German keeper or so.
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Nobody who watched Adler closely could have believed he had the potential to become the best in the world. His poor distribution, mediocre positional awareness outside of his comfort zone as well as his weaknesses at set pieces and high crosses were obvious to anybody who would look further than his amazing, almost Oliver Kahn like, reflexes.

With the regression of his reflexes those other parts of his goalkeeping became simply more obvious.
 
Revan said:
It is really strange the regress of Adler. He looked destined to become the best goalkeeper on the world, while now is probably only the fifth best German keeper or so.
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Adler was injured for a whole year. One year without any football, it is always going to be difficult to come back strong. BUT he had an amazing 2012/2013 season and was probably one of (if not the best) goalkeeper in the League.
His last season was really shaky though... To be fair to him the whole Hamburg team was shite, he had a few world class saves but just as many mistakes in 2014.
 
Bazi said:
Nobody who watched Adler closely could have believed he had the potential to become the best in the world. His poor distribution, mediocre positional awareness outside of his comfort zone as well as his weaknesses at set pieces and high crosses were obvious to anybody who would look further than his amazing, almost Oliver Kahn like, reflexes.

With the regression of his reflexes those other parts of his goalkeeping became simply more obvious.
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Maybe the best in the world was an exageration, but he looked like someone who will become great. I remember him on the early twenties and he was either the best or second best (after Enke) keeper on the league. Now, he isn't even in the level he was 5 years ago.
 
Revan said:
Maybe the best in the world was an exageration, but he looked like someone who will become great. I remember him on the early twenties and he was either the best or second best (after Enke) keeper on the league. Now, he isn't even in the level he was 5 years ago.
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I agree, he had the potential to become one of the very best goalkeepers in the world, but he's no exception. Diego Benaglio once looked like he belonged onto that same level and he regressed as well. Admittedly, not as much as Adler, but only very few goalkeepers act on a very high level over an extended period of time.
 
Revan said:
It is really strange the regress of Adler. He looked destined to become the best goalkeeper on the world, while now is probably only the fifth best German keeper or so.
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a united fan as well, there were reports back then that he got a clause in his contract that if united came in for him, then he can go for a fix price.

injuries certainly ruined a very promising career here.
 
gofelx said:
I'm not saying that. However, Neuer was incredibly good even 5 years a go. The 2010 WC proves that. Adler was world class at this time as well and more experienced, that is why he was the number 1 at the time. Bayern paid 25 million with one year left on the contract for a reason...

DDG hasn't shown that he is better than Neuer in these past 4 years, that's all I wanted to say.
Because you see this posted a lot on here:
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More of a personal thing than really basing it on pure facts. Although I do think that Neuer is good for a blunder or two. DDG had an excellent season at United and is much more likeable. So yes, I rate him higher.
 
Told my brother at the start of the World Cup that I thought De Gea > Neuer as the latter makes more errors and less calm.

After every game goes by, I'm looking more and more like a pleb :lol: Neuer probably is the best GK right now.
 
Godfather said:
More of a personal thing than really basing it on pure facts. Although I do think that Neuer is good for a blunder or two. DDG had an excellent season at United and is much more likeable. So yes, I rate him higher.
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That is your opinion so let's just agree to disagree. ;)

But really Neuer is one of the few keepers in the world who is really, really consistent. He often runs out of goal for a clearance, but if it works, why not? In the last few years he barely made any mistakes.
 
Neuer was voted the best goal keeper in the Bundesliga in 2007! And even then we has some of the best around.
He is world class since 22,23. David is a very good keeper but he has some way to go to become what Man Utd is with 28.
We are talking about 3 straight semis at big events with Germany, 4 straight CL semis, 2 finals and a title.
Already a crazy title amount overall with Bayern. Won Schalke its first since 2002 in 2011.
Was voted the 2nd best keeper in the world in 2011 age 25.
With 28 he is on the levels of the 28 year old Kahns, Maiers, Buffons and so on in terms of glory.
The best in the world since 2011 for me. And if van der Sar could play till he was 40 he could become crazy. ;)
 
Godfather said:
More of a personal thing than really basing it on pure facts. Although I do think that Neuer is good for a blunder or two. DDG had an excellent season at United and is much more likeable. So yes, I rate him higher.
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I think that might have something to do with his past where he still suffered from inconsistencies, but he worked those issues out.

For the last two years there's been little to no evidence that Neuer is good for a blunder or two. I'd say averaging between one to two spilled corner- or freekicks per season is as good as it gets. So it's probably more of a personal dislike towards his playing stile, however, when Neuer is in tune with his defence he's simply never forced to sweep the ball away as aggressive. He's actually pretty timid at Bayern compared to what he's capable of and regularly shows at the NT.
 
Does anyone on here think he could become one of the best goalkeepers of all time? He's a cocky sod but he's got ability in abundance to back it up with.
 
Acole9 said:
Does anyone on here think he could become one of the best goalkeepers of all time? He's a cocky sod but he's got ability in abundance to back it up with.
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Definitely go the potential to be the best German keeper ever which is high enough acclaim in itself.
 
He's peerless at being lucky when he habitually parries the ball into the path of an opposing striker. Routinely gets away with murder.
 
Lance Uppercut said:
He's been begging to be lobbed all tournament.
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Much harder than it sounds against a high-pressing German team which give you so little time on the ball and a keeper that's quick across the ground. Some of the comments remind me of the story of when Brazilians were first introduced to the idea of the offside trap. When they heard of it they just thought it was suicidal to allow attackers to get in behind them and it would concede goals non-stop, then they saw it in practice. It was just so alien to them so people assume it just can't work.

I don't think Neuer is going to revolutionise keeping but, like Yashin, he will be recognised as being on a different level to his peers for being so much better than anyone else in that aspect of play.
 
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There's been a couple of occassions where the forward has bottled out of a 50/50 with Neuer as he is charging out of his area (not suprising, he's massive). There's a mistake waiting to happen from him this world cup.
 
Revan said:


I think that De Gea is comfortably better than Neuer 4.5 years ago (when he was the same age as De Gea now). Currently, Neuer is comfortably the better keeper while for the second best keeper in the world I think that now is between De Gea and Courtuis.
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I agree, I think DDG has more potential than Neuer did at the same age though Neuer really developed to his peak potential and sometimes it even feels like he developed beyond that. I must say the same applies to DDG who when he came to United already clearly had the potential to be the best goalkeeper in the world and as good as any that has played - and so far he has developed way above the most positive imaginations.

He has taken leaps every season and these days he basically does a save of such difficulty that it ought to have been a goal nearly every game, sometimes he does more than one per game. No other keeper does this so consistently and of course in Neuers case it is down to not being challenged by great opportunities by the opponents as Germany and Bayern are so dominant.
 
Revan said:
Better than Kahn/Maier? Difficult, but possible.
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He has the potential to be the best ever. Schmeichel is the best ever for me, without a doubt, but I can see Neuer getting close to him or even better in time. He is ridiculously good and looks unphased by pretty much everything.

He is comfortably the best goalie in the world, at present. DDG may get there, but it's a big if.
 
gofelx said:
I'm not saying that. However, Neuer was incredibly good even 5 years a go. The 2010 WC proves that. Adler was world class at this time as well and more experienced, that is why he was the number 1 at the time. Bayern paid 25 million with one year left on the contract for a reason...

DDG hasn't shown that he is better than Neuer in these past 4 years, that's all I wanted to say.
Because you see this posted a lot on here:
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Actually you said exactly that.
 
Annahnomoss said:
I agree, I think DDG has more potential than Neuer did at the same age though Neuer really developed to his peak potential and sometimes it even feels like he developed beyond that. I must say the same applies to DDG who when he came to United already clearly had the potential to be the best goalkeeper in the world and as good as any that has played - and so far he has developed way above the most positive imaginations.

He has taken leaps every season and these days he basically does a save of such difficulty that it ought to have been a goal nearly every game, sometimes he does more than one per game. No other keeper does this so consistently and of course in Neuers case it is down to not being challenged by great opportunities by the opponents as Germany and Bayern are so dominant.
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DDG is a completely different GK, no comparison with Neuer are appropriate

2 different ways to interpreter the role

Neuer is a like a handball GK, he is not a shoot stopper

Another level, he is a GK, a defensive playmaker and a defender as well

He uses the legs and feets more than his hands
 
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