I guess you are right. If it's Buttner then surely it would be better to have Welbeck there to provide cover against Robben. Kagawa can be the extra body in the midfield and will help maintain better possession.
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I guess you are right. If it's Buttner then surely it would be better to have Welbeck there to provide cover against Robben. Kagawa can be the extra body in the midfield and will help maintain better possession.
We're gunna get fecking battered. Proper cricket score I reckon.
With the injuries we have I've gone for a more indulgent lineup:
With the injuries we have I've gone for a more indulgent lineup:
De Gea
Jones Ferdinand Vidic
Valencia Carrick Fellaini Welbeck
Kagawa
Rooney Hernandez
Jones Ferdinand Vidic
Valencia Carrick Fellaini Welbeck
Kagawa
Rooney Hernandez
Hopefully Evans left back and Jones right. Fellaini and Carrick will need to provide a lot of protection. Big game for Kagawa if he gets the 10 role
I have a vague feeling we'll be playing Fellaini and not Kagawa in the number 10 role for the lump-upfront outlet. 
I have that feeling, he will get sent off if we do.I have a vague feeling we'll be playing Fellaini and not Kagawa in the number 10 role for the lump-upfront outlet.
I have a vague feeling we'll be playing Fellaini and not Kagawa in the number 10 role for the lump-upfront outlet.
We've already been primed for that eventuality, Crerand has had it brought up on his show more than once, Fellaini as out and out striker has also been broached. This will signal a major development in our Evertonisation.
I don't think it's the worst idea in the world. As shitty as it is, with RVP out, Fellaini's ability to hold the ball up top can be crucial for us to release the pressure that our midfield and defense will be subjected too. I would prefer him there than to anywhere else in the midfield, from where he will surely be sent off because of his constant fouling.
If he plays, up top is his best position in this game. I really wouldn't care about the Evertonisation of United as long as it get us a win in this game. Don't want him there but if push comes to shove, wouldn't be all that disappointed.
If you are looking for optimism for tonights game, here it is:
United have conceded five goals in this Champions League campaign compared to Bayern's six, which equates to an average of 0.63 conceded per game as opposed to 0.75.
United also come out on top in terms of tackles made (146 to 123), clearances (265 to 168), interceptions (140 to 120) and blocks (26 to 16).
United have conceded five goals in this Champions League campaign compared to Bayern's six, which equates to an average of 0.63 conceded per game as opposed to 0.75.
United also come out on top in terms of tackles made (146 to 123), clearances (265 to 168), interceptions (140 to 120) and blocks (26 to 16).
If Fellaini up front materialises tonight as I suspect it might, you can just shout "hit the big man" in a Scottish accent and your all set as Man Utd manager.
--------------------------De-Gea-------------------
----------------4of whatever's available-----------
--------------------Carrick------Giggs-------------
----Valencia -----------Fellaini------------Wellbeck
-------------------------Rooney---------------------
I think it's got a good chance if we set up a bit that way but with Rooney and Fellaini swapping places, Moyes needs to be himself tonight, if he picks what he feels United "should" play he's doomed as he's not the first idea how to play that way.
----------------4of whatever's available-----------
--------------------Carrick------Giggs-------------
----Valencia -----------Fellaini------------Wellbeck
-------------------------Rooney---------------------
I think it's got a good chance if we set up a bit that way but with Rooney and Fellaini swapping places, Moyes needs to be himself tonight, if he picks what he feels United "should" play he's doomed as he's not the first idea how to play that way.
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I don't really see it as such a bad decision to counter a team playing great pressing. For example, Guardiola played Martinez as the AM against Dortmund, to play long balls over the midfield. The idea was to nullify Dortmund's pressing and deny them the chance to score in transition.
I get the frustration with Moyes on the Caf, but that doesn't mean that an idea like that is wrong or shameful or anything. If you have a tactical option and it makes sense, use it, even if it's not pretty.
Yes just posted above that this is really what he should do, I think the pressure of being United manager hasn't allowed him to make choices like this when he really should just be himself regardless of his surroundings.
From a tactical POV, it's important to use every tool but it wouldn't make using Fellaini up front any less of a joke.
I have a vague feeling we'll be playing Fellaini and not Kagawa in the number 10 role for the lump-upfront outlet.
This is the one game where I actually wouldn't object to that. Quality wise we're always going to be second best, so I think our best chance of a result is to Everton them and have ToiletBrush latch on to some long balls.
It's will be a joke because of the Moyes' credibility. Pep or Jose and it would be hailed as a tactical master stoke.
If it works then it will be hailed as a tactical masterstroke by Moyes, and rightly so.
Key word being 'if' though.
Not if they lose the match it won't.
Here? On this forum? I see threads after thread crying on how our Evertonization is complete..
Seeing us set up defensively against midtable cannon fodder is Evertonization, that's been unacceptable from Moyes.
Though if he manages to sneak a result against Bayern tonight then he should gain all the plaudits regardless of how he does it. And this is coming from someone who's at the very vocal end of the MoyesOut brigade.
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It should.
I think the City result will still be at the back of the players mind. If Bayern score early then the players heads will drop.
Looked on Paddy Power and you could get 100-1 for Rooney to score and United win 1-0. Have you ever seen such odds for a home game for United? I don't think anyone can see us getting a result tonight.
I think we will ship a minimum of 3 tonight. Bayern are as good as they come and United's confidence is in bits.
Looked on Paddy Power and you could get 100-1 for Rooney to score and United win 1-0. Have you ever seen such odds for a home game for United? I don't think anyone can see us getting a result tonight.
I think we will ship a minimum of 3 tonight. Bayern are as good as they come and United's confidence is in bits.
A few people in the line-ups thread have simultaneously posted the same team one after the other. Suspicious
Of course we would have that and you couldn't really argue with the sentiment but the manager has us playing in a fashion where Evertonisationis our only hope really. I suspect Fellaini up in attack is our best chance but expect Moyes to "try" and play his Manchester United style
It is a really frightening prospect for me that we could be out of the tie by the end of the first half!
I don't think I've been less hopeful going to Old Trafford before in my entire life...
We're going to get slaughtered.
We're going to get slaughtered.
Of course we would have that and you couldn't really argue with the sentiment but the manager has us playing in a fashion where Evertonisationis our only hope really. I suspect Fellaini up in attack is our best chance but expect Moyes to "try" and play his Manchester United style
The question is can we play United style (or whatever it used to be) and come out on top tonight? Do we have the personnel?
The only time we got the better of Barcelona in the last 5-6 years was when we decided to be pragmatic & accepted our limitations. It's not about any style, it's about making the best use of resources against a vastly superior opposition to get the better of them. We got slaughtered both times we tried to take them on.
If anything this would be a forced change in RVP's absence. Using the word "Evertonization" is another way to slate Moyes and has nothing to do with our current reality.
If we at least show up and perform well enough I'll be pleased. It won't really matter at the end of the day, but it would be a welcomed change, as opposed to the shambolics on display against Liverpool and City.
Annihilated even?
1-3
0-4
True, there is always that distinct posibility. You have to say though, even under Fergie, with this current team I doubt I would be expecting to go through (Unless he had addressed the CM situation in the summer). I just think we will get beat by a heavier margin now.It is a really frightening prospect for me that we could be out of the tie by the end of the first half!
Some of the lads are playing for their careers. I expect a decent performance. Whether that's enough to get something from the game is unlikely but I wouldn't walk away too disappointed if we gave them a good game but just fell short.
1-4 sounds about right.
I'd rather not associate my online persona with unhappy thoughts...
I'll go 5-0 Bayern.
I don't think I would have been confident against Bayern of this season, no matter who was in charge. But with Fergie at the helm I still would have believed that he could somehow pull the players together and push them for a big hurrah. With Moyes, I feel nothing of that sort and all my confidence is drained.
The main point is I am not nervous about today's match, which basically means I have no hope. With Fergie I would have been a nervous wreck leading up to this match mainly because I would have thought we had an outside chance of upsetting the odds.
It is a really frightening prospect for me that we could be out of the tie by the end of the first half!
I think thats in the back of all our minds man. This season has continued seeing us walk into the unknown of what United team is gonna turn up...
The City & Pool games at OT should be placed in isolation though. Bayern wont come to United with that same hatred. All they have to do is play their normal game & most teams will be turned over, but we could give them a game without havin those pressures we had against by Pool & City.
In those games we looked tame & fragile for the most part, but there's no disgrace gettin beat by a world-class team like Bayern, so maybe the players will be alot more relaxed & be able to play to their premium levels that we all know they can..
I wouldnt be surprised if we get a result & i wouldnt be surprised if we get a whooping either... No-one expects us to win so the pressure is on Bayern in this tie..
I doubt Moyes will be thinking like that. He would (or at least I hope he would) try and tell the players we need to be tight and keep Bayern out for as long as we can. Which is not wrong at all but the pressure will still be on us to perform. I doubt you will see us playing as if we have nothing to lose.
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