Funny how there’s never a response to posts that strictly point out his unacceptable lack of work ethic and professionalism. Maybe because there’s no logical excuse.
Manchester United view sidelining Marcus Rashford as key to cultural reboot
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Yes because players have NEVER been sold that had more name value than actual ability right? We’ve never seen big fees for players that ended up average? That would make no sense!
Get over yourself. You keep taking some grand offense when all I stated was that Garnacho isn’t some “unsellable asset” if the club deems that his current price tag is worth more now than it’ll end up being if he ultimately becomes just a rotational squad player.
Tis true. His most shameful trait.
I see he’s got skauslover Henry Winter onboard to promote his Mother Teresa II campaign. Desperate.wonder if he was dripping with $100s of $1000s worth of jewellery around the schools?
Yeah, plus anybody seriously scouting him must see this aswell. It’s what makes me think Saudi is the only real option, he can sit and laugh at us all while earning a mil per week
Or he could sit tight and earn his 350K a week here doing nothing
The Sancho situation was worse to be honest and we got rid of him
World Cup coming up and he's going to want to be back in the England squad so he'll have to be playing somewhere in the PL or Europe. Can't see Tuchel picking players from the Saudi league.
Good point, but it's hard to see Tuchel selecting Rashford under any circumstances other than a massive improvement in his performances. Which is possible, but it seems very unlikely. But even so, the potential for disruption within the squad by bringing in Rashford may be enough for a hard no regardless of what Rashford does over the next year.
Not exactly "Rooney wants out" type of situation, so am not much bothered... It is side story at best regarding what our priorities as a team should be atm. And it is probably for the best that it blew up so soon after Amorim came in.
As for Rashford himself, yes, it would be a lot smarter to keep his head down and try to get back in the team. But ultimately, I think this actually helps with everything, from explaining why he is benched/not in the plans and so on.
As for Rashford himself, yes, it would be a lot smarter to keep his head down and try to get back in the team. But ultimately, I think this actually helps with everything, from explaining why he is benched/not in the plans and so on.
PR team working overtime here.
And people need to ask who is leaking the lineups. Who’s been a mainstay at this club over a period of more than 4-5 managers?
Mask is finally off and people see it for what it is.
I share your disgust about racism. But we cannot say that no black player can be criticised for his performance because it would entail racism. That in itself would be racist, in that we are treating the marvellous black players here at the club over several decades as somehow needing a different standard to be judged by than those from other ethnicities. They don't. Many - not all, I (now) fear to say - have been absolute bloody dynamite. So let's not patronise them.
If Marcus moves on, that is NOT because we are a racist club.It's do with with his form.
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To think that Amorin shielded him for his trip to the US, and now he throws him under the bus. Sigh
See I have a different opinion on this as I think hate is unnecessary in football as there’s so much of it elsewhere in life but I understand the strong emotions that football can evoke. I’m not really going to debate whether he is being a prima Donna of the pitch or just enjoying life. In relation to on it, something is clearly wrong and I don’t think it’s lazy and not caring but maybe it is.
I’d agree that total effort should be a requirement for all players but in reality it’s not as people are human and that’s why players like the ones you’ve mentioned stand out to a degree for me. I’ll admit to being frustrated when he has lost a duel or foot race but it leaves me confused more than angry.
Would he prefer he don sackcloth and ashes?
And no one can seriously say that Manchester United's 10 year slup is because of Rashford.
There have many a player that have come into United have have cost the club way more and that have failed miserably.
Like it or not, even though he has been patchy, Rashford is one of the brighter points of the past decade.
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I think it's more likely we loan him out an pay half his wages than try to make it work as a squad option
I’ve said it before but he is one of a clutch of players who have been here a while who have lacked any sort of consistency in either form, injuries, attitude, effort and ability, under many managers now. Others still here along those lines are Lindelof, Shaw and Dalot imo.
Its best for him to move on - he may go somewhere else and relight that peak Rashford for several years but I just dont see him ever doing it here again.
Call it what it is at the moment - he has 1 good game in 10 and is paid a huge amount of money and should be the shining light of our attack. If you look at past worldies in the PL: Hazard, Salah, Ronaldo, Giggs, etc etc. He’s just not in that bracket of player, the players who are world class game in game out, season after season for years. And those are the sort of profile of player you need to get to where we need to get.
He’s an overpaid mediocrity and we need to move on
Its best for him to move on - he may go somewhere else and relight that peak Rashford for several years but I just dont see him ever doing it here again.
Call it what it is at the moment - he has 1 good game in 10 and is paid a huge amount of money and should be the shining light of our attack. If you look at past worldies in the PL: Hazard, Salah, Ronaldo, Giggs, etc etc. He’s just not in that bracket of player, the players who are world class game in game out, season after season for years. And those are the sort of profile of player you need to get to where we need to get.
He’s an overpaid mediocrity and we need to move on
No one wants to sell young talent, but Unied are in a mess. We have 3 first team players that will potentially walk away on a free this season - Eriksen, Lindloff and maybe Maguire if he feels that he is better off making more money at a smaller club who would save the transfer fee on him.
We have very few players we can sell and make money on to rebuild the squad at a rate the speed that may be required. Is Amorim going to want to wait for 3 or 4 years to rebuild the side like Klopp was able to? Will he be given that time?
Im not saying i want this, but if you did sell a young academy player for 80m, we could bring in 3 or 4 players and amortize over multiple years. Yes, they still need to be funded, but the club do still make enough revenue year on year, so the idea is that the players would be funded by the club over future years.
Chelsea have done their spending, they have the core of their team that looks set for some time. The next few years, i dont expect them to be going hard in the windows as they will be maxed out having to pay for the players they amortized.
I was watching Amorim’s embargoed pre-Spurs match press conference and I was getting sick of the Marcus circus/ questions. “Was Marcus upset? Can you get him to his best level if he wants to leave? Can you get him focused given his present state of mind? Does the club want Marcus to stay?”
You could sense the exasperation on Amorim’s entire body as journalists kept piling on and on their darling subject Marcus. Ruben time and time again tried to shift the focus on the team away from any individual players, but the press hyenas kept coming back for more Marcus.
Why the feck isn’t there a press officer to help usher away some of this nonsense? Ruben is trying to coach the team on a new system and yet here we are completely wasting his time with English gutter press.
You could sense the exasperation on Amorim’s entire body as journalists kept piling on and on their darling subject Marcus. Ruben time and time again tried to shift the focus on the team away from any individual players, but the press hyenas kept coming back for more Marcus.
Why the feck isn’t there a press officer to help usher away some of this nonsense? Ruben is trying to coach the team on a new system and yet here we are completely wasting his time with English gutter press.
What is the job of the club press officer? Why are we putting everything on the manager?
Christ, Rashford FC in full force here. Maguire did/has done exactly what your hero should do, get his head down, keep quiet, and work hard to get back in the team.
Rashford could learn a lot from Maguire, but I bet he won't, we'll just get more PR pieces from him.
My question is, why would he want his charity work publicised? Why can't he do his things quietly like most others do?
Using the racism card is just trying to deflect from the issue. It's just cheap.
If it's not then what is?
You don't normally just drop two players of your supposed best players from the squad for nothing.
They just try and twist it to all being about racism
You aren't arguing in good faith. So now you have switched to implying that I said something which I never did. When did I say that no black player can be criticized? I NEVER said that a black player can't be criticized but don't insult my intelligence by saying that it's 100% not about race. You clearly don't share my disgust for racism because you can't actually admit the problem and you are actually trying to excuse it.
Your argument is basically "well maybe kind of sort racism exists but that's OK because we don't want the black players to feel left out from criticism." Also, NEVER said that Sir Jim will sell Rashford because he is black and that's completely irrelevant to this convo. I never even implied that but that's just another bad faith argument from someone who can't defend their opinons.
I said some of the same people who were spewing racist insults are some of the same people who are criticizing his performances. That means the vitriol and hatred surrounding someone like Rashford will be significantly more because of racism. Unless of course, you believe that racists have magically disappeared from football. It's almost 2025 and FIFA is still trying to "get rid of racism" so we all know that it's absurd to suggest that racism doesn't exist.
Palmer is friends with rappers, taking pictures with rappers, giving the middle finger with rappers and there is zero outrage. Most people said it was cool. Most of the discourse around Palmer was that he is a "great guy just having fun". Imagine the outrage if Rashford took a picture like Palmer did. Rashford "dresses like a rapper" while behaving perfectly and everyone criticizes him. That's racism.
The only people who think racism is a card to be played are people who have never experienced racism. Only people who speak from a place of privilege are the only ones who describe racism as a card in a game. The only thing that's cheap is describing racism as a game.
Racism exists in football. Rashford has been the victim of racist abuse. Those are just facts. So where do all of the racist fans go when it's time to discuss Rashford performances? Do they just magically disappear? They stop being racist for those few moments to discuss his performances huh hahaha? Those racists are completely logical and rational when discussing his performances? That's just absurd.
Well If you are even a little bit of a logical thinker you would realize that there are racists who are part of the discourse around his performances. Many of those people have simply learned to be less overt in their racism. That doesn't mean it isn't there. Unless of course you actually think racism has just magically vanished from earth.
Dunno… ask him
If Palmer had done feck all for over 2 years for Chelsea earning superstar wages you can be sure he’d get criticism for flying off to the states too just as they got a new manager, or just generally not giving a toss on the field.
When you’re performing like… an actual star, you tend to get away with a fair bit more. Surprisingly.
Then someone will tell us how they always thought he was a little ordinary, Amad as well. They won,t sat it now though.
Fair enough, I agree with that - as much as I'd hate to lose some of our young academy talent, I don't think any player sales should be off limits, especially if a crazy offer comes in.
Jesus, chill it marcus.
Funny thing is I’ve donated to Fareshare. But I’ve always maintained. My serious dislike of him has had nothing to do with his person.
My dislike is all about Rashford the player. I don’t understand how someone will say he loves the club he’s always been at since age 8, is the highest paid player and then goes around on the pitch and refuses to work as hard as he can. He needs to explain that.
My dislike is all about Rashford the player. I don’t understand how someone will say he loves the club he’s always been at since age 8, is the highest paid player and then goes around on the pitch and refuses to work as hard as he can. He needs to explain that.
Today’s game gonna be another Rashford show isn’t it? even though he didn’t travel. Love him as a person but he threw the manager under the bus there. We all seen it in his performances he’s been under par for a longtime but would have had more respect and sympathy from everyone if he had waited to get his transfer first before saying anything. Now just seems like throwing his toys out the pram because he was dropped for the weekend
Fair point. INEOS started well, being vocal when everything was well, now it's again all on the manager to be the face of the whole club.
The fact that hebuas a good game against Everton and then trains sonpoorly that hebisbnot even in the squad tells it all
Absolutely. No one is denying racism exists and that many black players are subjected to this on a daily basis. We all agree that that is awful.
But, as you say, the majority are criticising Rashford because of a whole variety of factors - both on and off the pitch, and none of these are race related.
I think the real lesson from this 'story' is that whoever leaked it should be fired, thoroughly.
I'm not sure which is worse, undermining the manager in his efforts to rehabilitate a star, or the fact it was to Jamie f*cking Jackson, whose only reason to get out of bed each day is to stick it to United. He's a disgrace.
If INEOS really want to improve things at United, the investigation shouldn't be into the lineup leaks, it should be which dipsh*t is choosing to take all this into the public.
I'm not sure which is worse, undermining the manager in his efforts to rehabilitate a star, or the fact it was to Jamie f*cking Jackson, whose only reason to get out of bed each day is to stick it to United. He's a disgrace.
If INEOS really want to improve things at United, the investigation shouldn't be into the lineup leaks, it should be which dipsh*t is choosing to take all this into the public.
Good riddance.
Been a toxic part of the squad for far too long and his output and effort is nowhere near the salary he has and thinks he commands.
Never really kicked on over the years and still the same weaknesses in his game since the start.
We need these egos and type of players gone. The PR stuff which started with integrity and looked like a kid that cared has slowly evolved into happening everytime he takes valid criticism and has now become a cynical cycle.
A split suits both parties.
Been a toxic part of the squad for far too long and his output and effort is nowhere near the salary he has and thinks he commands.
Never really kicked on over the years and still the same weaknesses in his game since the start.
We need these egos and type of players gone. The PR stuff which started with integrity and looked like a kid that cared has slowly evolved into happening everytime he takes valid criticism and has now become a cynical cycle.
A split suits both parties.