Totally agree, but you'd better have your body armour on because his fan club will be coming after you.
Manchester United view sidelining Marcus Rashford as key to cultural reboot
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I'm sure they've already had that discussion. The part that probably did catch Amorim off guard was Rashford actually going public about it.
But you do sell academy players if they're not willing to work hard and put a real shift in, which may be what is happening here.
Yea he didn't run to the press like we see parroted, he was asked questions by a journalist about United at a long planned charity event on his day off.
The same journalist who has covered the majority of his holiday food drives for years now and of course his future which has dominated media discussion for a week straight now, would be a topic on the docket.
People don't care about context though, just need any reason to vent founded or unfounded
Of course he is, we have to play with 10 men when he's on the pitch.
So you think that Henry Winter would take the trip from his hometown right to Manchester to report Rashford's giving presents to kids? I doubt it.
Regarding your second comment football is a very fickle thing. This is what SAF said about Beckham during the Wimbledon game in 96 " He tried it before he scored and I said to my assistant Brian Kidd, “If he tries that again, he’s off. ‘When the goal goes in, Kiddo turns to me and says, “We’ll have to take him off!”’ Needless to say that it didn't happen.
Back to Rashy, most of the people who were involved in summer were gone soon afterwards. The likes of Berrada and Ashworth joined in July, Erith joined in September and Amorim joined in November. Rashy had all the time in the world to change things around. Yet here we are losing his place because of training issues (Romano). That was followed by him saying that he wants a new challenge (Winter)
Is it too much to ask that he maybe doesn’t catch his new manager off guard?
Whether or not you believe Henry Winter would travel simply to cover Rashford's charity work, you still have no proof whatsoever to say that wasn't the case. @Rolaholic has also stated in an above reply that Henry Winter actually did travel to cover these Rashford contributions multiple times in the past, when Rashford said nothing of wanting to leave.
I don't see how your second point is even relevant. Rashford obviously hasn't been able to turn it around, hence why he is looking to leave and has made these comments at this point in the season, likely with a view to moving elsewhere in January.
Most of those who wanted him out in the summer are probably gone. Therefore if Rashy wanted to change the club's mind then he had all the time in the world to do so. Its evident from his commitment on the pitch and in training that it's not the case.
And to have a seasoned football editor like Winter drive over to write about his charity work is quite amazing. The guy is more powerful PR wise then we even imagine
Maybe in an ideal world, Rashford wouldn't have said anything, but Rashford keeping quiet or lying about it wasn't going to accomplish anything positive for him. His thoughts were probably simply on acknowledging that there was truth in the rumours, preparing fans for him leaving (maybe hoping people would lay off the constant dms abusing him and asking for him to be sold, which unfortunately doesn't seem to have worked), and alerting any clubs that might not have already been aware that he is in fact leaving (and maybe making his future move easier by reducing Utd's bargaining power now this is public).
He's self-interested obviously, but so are those running the club. I don't really accept the excuses people are making on here to have another go at him. He has a right to answer a question truthfully if his future is no longer with the club. He doesn't technically owe Amorim anything. Amorim has responded well in the press conference in any case.
People like you also conveniently pretend like Rashford hasn't been the victim of racist abuse. People like you like to pretend that there isn't currently a campaign to kick racism out of football because there have been so many racist incidents.
The same people who think it's cool that Palmer is literally hanging out with rappers giving the middle finger are the same people clutching their pearls that Rashford is "dressed like a rapper".
Some of the same people racially abusing him are the same people criticizing his performances and pretending that racism doesn't exist..hiding their biases behind his performances..that's great if that doesn't describe you specifically..but let's stop pretending that there aren't people shrouding their racism in criticism about performances. No racists don't dissappear they simply hide their true intentions.
Just because United might be open for him to move elsewhere it doesn't mean that they'll accept any offer. Maybe this PR show was meant to force United's arm
Given everything that's going on, with a new manager, getting dropped for the derby and the newspaper headlines all week then deciding it would be a good time to chat with a journalist at all is, at best, a very poor decision. And if he was serious about making the best of his remaining time here he owed it to the manager and his team mates to flat bat away any questions about his future. It's easy to do and he knows damn well the consequences of him saying what he did. He's a media savvy operator (or surrounded by them anyway) If he is serious about wanting to move there are far better ways to do it than issuing a come and get me plea by his Fleet Street hack of choice, immediately after the derby drama.
Quite possible. Pretty clear that Rashford wants to move now, which is completely fair. The change in environment will probably do him good.
We will always have time he made Di Maria cry in Paris......
Of course that’s true - but it’s part of the reason why we are shit, and not the only reason in the slightest. Selling him therefore isn’t some golden ticket. Rather one of the many steps we ought to be taking.
You think Garnacho wouldn’t fetch a large fee in the market? That’s probably the most insane thing you’ve said so far.
And clubs sell good players all of the time for various reasons, not just the two you mentioned.
Right on cue here we go with Arsenal rumors 
Weird signing when Arteta's biggest accomplish is getting rid of lazy, unmotivated players.Right on cue here we go with Arsenal rumors
If he fetches a big fee it will be because of his potential as a player, which you have dismissed. I think if the club were to sell him on the basis they will definitely not struggle to replace him AND will save money signing someone better AND which they can only do by selling Garnacho (I mean wtf?), it'd have to be based on a bit more than the baseless opinion of a random internet person.
And no they don't. Already very good teams might sell players because they have a surplus of good players. We are definitely not in that position. We should not be selling any talented young players unless they are causing more trouble than they are worth. It is not a viable tactic to build a winning team unless you are planning to build it in The Championship.
This also has absolutely nothing to do with Marcus Rashford and all stems from some absolutely mental idea that we should sell Garnacho and Mainoo to make us better which has come from feck knows where. Maybe don't go aiming the word insane at other people when you're peddling or piggy backing on ridiculous irrelevant nonsense that wouldn't even make sense if you were playing FIFA.
I can’t see any other club agreeing to his 350/week wages and I can’t see Marcus agreeing to a lesser salary. The way this works out is that Marcus will eventually break and behave like a professional footballer again at OT. Squad man perhaps, but a squad man under Amorim.
You'd have thought so, but looking at his thread it's actually the Charity Shield.
I agree, he was definitely given too much too soon, it typified the Ole era. Good to show the importance of strong management. Hopefully the new gen of talent will be handled better.
If that's the case then yes fair enough. But I don't think it is.
Exactly why he needs to go, the focus should be on the new coach and the players who actually played.
Sure, that is undoubtedly true - and it would be naive (at best) to dismiss it.
Not sure what this adds to the discussion, though. Do you think racism is a significant factor in the Caf's reaction to recent developments - or for that matter a significant factor in the Caf's overall criticism of Rashford?
And just look where they've gone and what they're doing now, it certainly isn't Real Madrid or champions leagues they're fighting for. Other than Lukaku, none of those players did anything particularly impressive after leaving United, although McTominay is early days and I hope he wins the league this year in Italy as he seems a decent guy. You could pick at most, maybe 6 or 7 players that have left United in the past ten years, and gone on to do anything really impressive with their careers which suggests that they really weren't good enough.The problem is our transfers and managers have never really worked out.
Hatred and genuine abuse of players is sickening and wrong, but there's almost this narrative emerging with some that if social media was just a bit nicer to them then we would have had more success or that toxic fans which belong to every single club are to blame for players not performing. In reality, it's quite basic, aside from the haters and trolls, fans have looked at the likes of Rashford and McTominay and surmised that United won't be winning leagues or champions leagues with these players. I can see the fan frustration and I share it, though I despise it when it turns to abuse from morons.
There is always a recency bias towards the view of a player when he is in / out of form.
Think about the context of the 22/23 season. You have one player in Rashford that scored 30 goals. What else did we have in the forward line? Martial on the way out that summer. Antony and Sancho unconvincing. With the priority being a striker, which we signed in Hojland, do you really think the club want to risk letting Rashford go on a free when their priority is using money for strengthening other areas? That makes zero sense.
What are you talking about? Getting a forward that can chip in 10-15 goals on 150k a week? Who is that player? And i assume youre talking about a free transfer, unless you wish to totally negate the transfer fee of said player?
Yes, Rashfords history has been patchy, but as have United. Coming of a 30 goal season, im sure Ten Hag and United thought they could get another good season out of him. But sadly the whole United team was shocking in 23/24
I mean, did anyone really think United would finish 8th in 23/24 after such a positive first year under ETH? The vibes were good and Rashford was a big part of that season.
Im not saying Rashford is anywhere near world class, but these salaries are very much situationally dependant. This would have been maybe his 4th senior pro contract at United. It was always going to be higher than the last. And when you bring in Casemiro on 360k a week at the age of 30, on a 4 year deal (plus a big transfer fee), then the bar has been set.
No. But that was never the point.
It is PSR, not FFP. And this is where the "pure profit" for academy sales come unto play.
Plenty of articles out there that explain the concept and why clubs are selling academy player in order to put cash on their balance sheet now, then amortize the cost of players over future years...
https://www.givemesport.com/football-premier-league-pure-profit-financial-fair-play-psr/
People were laughing at Chelsea for doing this and giving 8 year contract. Not so much now.
It wasn't though. There were no rules then. Yes, it would have sucked, but we are talking about todays reality, not yesteryear.
If Marcus wants a move to a decent club, he needs to rediscover his form and show he’s a team player for the rest of the season. If he trains and plays well, he has a much better chance of getting a good gig elsewhere. That’ll be good for him, the team and the club.
With good faith on both sides, this can work for everyone.
With good faith on both sides, this can work for everyone.
You don't get it, do you?
No one is saying Rashford is a patch on Haaland.
The point is, without a functioning team Haaland is not the super striker he was in previous years at City or Dortmund. City are playing like shit and Haarlands goals have dried up. So why not accept that United have been playing like shit for well over a year and accept that Rashford is also off form?
Is it not complicated, is it?
And why bring up Cunha. The guy was crap for Athletico, which is exactly why he ended up at Wolves. He is looking great now and from what Gary O'Neill said, he is extremely motivated at the moment - perhaps to get back to a decent club.
It's you who doesn't get it.
It's obvious to everyone that if a team is struggling then you'd expect individual performances to also look worse but the point that's being made over and over again is the extent of how much his performances have fallen off and for how long.
You're example of Haaland being off form is a span when he's sill scored 3 premier league goals and 4 champions league goals, also no one is looking at the current city slump and thinking it's because of Haaland.
Rashford ranks in the 12th percentile for progressive passes, that means 88% of forwards are better than him. Abysmal. He's 13th percentile for shot creating actions and 41st percentile for progressive carries where even Garnacho for all his limitations is in the 92nd percentile.
Take ons, passes receieved. There's not a SINGLE attacking metric that Rashford is even in the top 25% of players. Now you can blame that on his team mates but what about his defensive numbers? Tackles 16th percentile, interceptions 24th, blocks 33rd, pressures on the ball eading to turnover 15th. It's just complete garbage everywhere and you can't blame his team mates for him swanning around unwilling to make a tackle or interception.
Cunha left Madrid because they paid 30m for him and Wolves agreed to pay his release clause of 50 shortly after. Also if the reasons for his performances are that he's highly motivated then what's Rashford's excuse? 300k a week not enough to be highly motivated?
It's basically the same thing mate. I know the PL version is called PSR.
Again this is Manchester United mate. Given the club's history and the focus on developing our own players over the past century. Plus the fans attachment to homegrown players it's not the same situation as most other clubs. Players will get more time to develop at United.
To be exact, income on the income statement, not cash on the balance sheet. It's a one-time windfall that helps you offset expenses in the current accounting period.
The flip side of the argument is that you still need to find a way to fund the wages + amortization of incoming players in future years.
Very MUFC to try to offload him in a way which says "warning: do not sign this player". Honestly, who is going to want him?
Haaland still works hard on the pitch and carries himself as a professional. Harry Maguire was in the same dysfunctional team and he still works hard and carries himself as a profession. Rashford should have done the same and he didn’t.
We managed to offload Sancho to Chelsea. Yeah, it cost us a lot of money, Thanks Ole, at least with Rashford, we won't lose anything on a purchase price. I think he'll go abroad or to Chelsea.
This is what I don’t get. It would have been very easy to say he didn’t really fit in Amorim’s system rather than the press hatchet job United seem to have decided is the way forward.
Rashford, to be fair, seems to have done a decent job of repairing some of the damage with his interview yesterday. Hopefully we can at least get £20m for him now. Think he will probably end up at Arsenal - looks ideally set up for him.