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Manchester United view sidelining Marcus Rashford as key to cultural reboot
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Amorim's dealt with it well and interpreted the 'new challenge' comment in a way that means he still sees a place for Rashford at the club.
If Rashford comes out with anything that isn't reconciliatory after Amorim's comments then he absolutely doesn't give a feck. He'd be best off saying nothing now.
Seriously how can fans be blamed of it?
I think there’s a difference between couple of forum pages than PR interview that will trigger a lot of media coverage.
I am struggling to understand what's you point really. One of the highest paid player had been dropped possibly because he's not doing a shift. Instead of hanging his head in shame and then let football do the talking like a true professional would do he goes in a full PR frenzy were he said that he wants a new challenge etc. Its pretty evident from Amorim's reaction that Rashford didn't even bothered telling the manager about his plans. Do you blame fans for being caught into this circus?
You could all be in other threads talking about the win.... but you're in here
Presumably you can see this shit-storm appears to have been caused by the club, not Rashford though? I mean, we are in a thread which seemingly relates to a press briefing that says we are desperate to sell him. It’s just embarrassing that we seem to be conducting internal business through the media in this way, regardless of what you think of Rashford’s on pitch performances.
The bigger club won’t be interested the smaller clubs can’t afford (even with United paying a share of his wages).
I am not the one blaming the fans about for having discussions. Its normal and natural for fans to be caught into this circus. What I do blame is the player. Instead of hanging his head in shame for being dropped and then react to it by working hard in training he fueled this circus by going to the media with this 'new challenge' BS. Its evident from Amorim's reaction that he wasn't prepared for it at all. Honestly how long will United have to endure this drama? Is Rashford worth all this hassle on a year in year out basis?
What makes you think it comes from the club and not from the player? Cause Amorim had just come out and he was quite surprised with what Rashford had said? The only person who came out speaking about the need for him to engage in new challenges is him.
In my opinion, this is swiftly degenerating into another Sancho saga ie we've got a player whose pushing the club to sell him/loan him at all cost irrespective if it makes financial sense to them or not
Addition by subtraction.
You mistook my sarcasm. He deserves to be dropped & sold. Culmination of mistakes the club has done over the last decade in handing out absurd contracts to undeserving players.
sarcasm is not my forte unfortunately
Bro you blamed him for taking the shine of the City win.... and I pointed out that you guys did it to yourselves. No need to struggle
The club obviously leaked that they are looking to sell Rashford, how can you blame the player for responding to that?
Saying that it 100% it has nothing to do with race is also wrong especially considering that he has been the victim of racism. The commentary and "disgust" around him being "dressed like a rapper" is 100% shrouded in racism. Cole Palmer was hanging out with a rapper, gave the middle finger in a Pic and everyone said how cool it was.
It's been proven that Rashford has been racially abused multiple times..Those same people who were sending out racist tweets are some of the same people who according to you are "only criticizing his performance". Except that racism can't be turned on and off like a light switch..it's always there, either on a conscious or subconscious level. It's been proven through research that most people have implicit biases. Yes, it has been proven that racists watch football. Are you under the impression that those racists disappear from convos about his performance?
It's generally people who have never experienced racism a day in their lives who think they have the right to tell everyone else what does or does not qualify as racism. Odd that.
In 19/20 in the months leading up to the back injury he was definitely devastating. He was ripping opposition teams apart with both speed and skill. It was the one time in his career that he genuinely looked like he was on the verge of stepping up to the 'world-class' level. Unfortunately it only lasted three or four months.
Since then I'd largely agree with you. Even though he scored a good amount in 20/21 and especially 22/23, his all-round performances were pretty poor. It's why I hate when people talk about 22/23 being his best season as he wasn't even close to the level that he was in 19/20.
Read the article which led to this thread:
“Sir Jim Ratcliffe is intent there can be no passengers and is ready to cut his losses on Rashford if there are suitors in January. A willingness to take short-term pain in pursuit of long-term gain was also behind Dan Ashworth’s exit as sporting director after five months when United had paid £5m to bring him from Newcastle.”
“Amorim has decided Rashford needs to leave in the push to engineer a shift in culture throughout the club, for football and non-football staff.”
Now, assuming this is a club message and that Rashford has received similar communications, I don’t follow how you can think Rashford’s comms have caused the publicity this week or that it’s him pushing to leave.
But that's natural mate. If SAF dropped prime Keane from the squad then that would attract most of the attention irrespective if we win the game or not. If then Keane came out to fuel the flame then you can't really blame anyone if the flames get bigger but the player himself.
What's getting exposed here is how powerful and how calculating Rashford is. Despite playing shite for months, he's capable to attract so much interest on him. Not only that, after being slighted by the club for the temerity of dropping him out of the squad he's able to bring an experienced journalist from his home in the Midlands to Manchester to conduct a PR hit piece. Such PR piece had sent shockwaves across the football world to a point that no one barely even speak of the derby anymore and might end up forcing the club in selling him. Meanwhile dissenters (ex Goldbridge) had received death threats for having the temerity of criticizing the guy. Do we really want such a powerful figure in our ranks especially one who can't be arsed to perform on a regular basis?
Surely it's a good thing that Rashford has interest. The club want him sold.
I can write an article were I say that SJR would love to shag Amber heard if given the opportunity. It's probably right, there's no proof that it came from SJR himself or that such piece had been planted by SJR's people. What you can do is stick to what you see in front of you. Rashford had played and had conducted himself as a person who can't be arsed giving his 100% at United, we had not 1 but 2 managers dropping him for that and had now came out saying that he wants a new challenge.
Are you back policing what people can talk about or think? It's not a great addition to discussion. Stick to arguing your points.
You could all be in other threads talking about the win.... but you're in here
No that's your job, and honestly with all the shite going on you must have more to do than take offense to my relatively benign posts.... I'm not even calling people negative cnuts anymore
What type of place do you want this to be when the mild pushback against an avalanche of negativity is what piques your interest?
I'm not offended. Just giving you a heads up.
And I wasn't aware you could see all my modding. I and others will try to do better.
Really disappointing that he gets on the blower to Henry fecking Winter to say he’s ready for a new challenge without - apparently - letting his manager know first. Even more so after the whole being dropped thing. He’s in a position where he should be doing everything possible to keep his manager onside, then dumps him in the shit like this. The day before a fairly important match. Ridiculous.
He's just looking for every angle possible to deflect criticism against Rashford, like he does every single time. Complaining about people talking about Rashford, yet participates to talk about Rashford all the time.
Ah ok
The Rashford story made me realize why SAF was terrified of David Beckham sudden rise in prominence. Becks was 20 times the player prime Rashford was and 100 times more popular. Can you imagine if at one point Becks decided to use the dark arts of PR the way Rashy is doing? Its amazing how, decades later, SAF can still teach fans like myself some valid football management lessons and quite frankly make me eat some humble pie while at it.
Whatever happens player fc needs to die at United. No more leaks, no more PR pieces, no more Belfast gate or twitter wars between the manager and players. We need to bring the focus back to football. That's were players should do their talking
The club had already given up on Rashford and briefed about wanting to sell him. People conveniently forgetting that now. That's why Rashford was asked about it in the first place. If the club has given up on him, of course his motivation is going to be on his future. Whatever you think about his performances is a completely different issue. Everyone here has been criticising him and wanting him sold for years. Now it looks like it's happening, people just want another excuse to justify abusing him. You got what you wanted. He's leaving, so just leave him be until he's sold and wish him the best in the future elsewhere. Both parties move on and hopefully both are better off.
if they are bringing down morale it might
in the case of Rashford he kept getting picked for years despite looking like he can't be arsed
or Ronaldo making it all about him
some of these cnuts have playing time in their contracts most likely
The media is all over the Rashford story and that is only due to that stupid interview. If he wants to leave he could do it in a quiet manner. I mean I don't really care either way. Him leaving or staying and rotting on the bench is all fine for me and won't change the positive vibes created by Amorim but it's a pity this is all the media is talking about now.
The club gave up on Maguire and wanted him gone. He said "feck that, I'm staying and will prove you wrong" and ended up doing just that.
How and when did Rashford gain United legend status as per the OP. He isnt a legend in my eyes..
He showed great promise as a kid, great pace and could finish but his true colours have emerged. No heart for the game, lazily jogging about the pitch, constantly running into defenders with the ball.
Over paid and overrated is a fair description.
My only concern is who will buy him with his wages. He should be a £60 mil player but i expect £30mil
He showed great promise as a kid, great pace and could finish but his true colours have emerged. No heart for the game, lazily jogging about the pitch, constantly running into defenders with the ball.
Over paid and overrated is a fair description.
My only concern is who will buy him with his wages. He should be a £60 mil player but i expect £30mil
Maguire knew he wouldn't get an equivalent wage elsewhere. That's why he stayed. He was thinking of his future in terms of financial compensation. Rashford's thinking of his future in terms of getting back to his previous level and winning his spot back in the England squad. If he was only interested in keeping his wage, he could insist on staying and the club could do nothing about it.
Frankly I don't have any admiration for Maguire staying since he's still taking a massive wage off the club for very little effort (due to not being good enough to be 1st choice). I don't have any ill-will to him either since he's just doing what's in his best interests, but there's nothing admirable in it either in the way you seem to be suggesting. Rashford will have options that Maguire simply wouldn't have.
How has anyone taken any shine of the City win?
This thread is a car crash of everything dumb about the caf. The discussion is about everything except the thing the thread is about.
This thread is a car crash of everything dumb about the caf. The discussion is about everything except the thing the thread is about.
Agree that he's not a legend. 138 goals in 426 appearances is not what you'd expect from a legend.
That's about 1 goal every 3 games. A decent player but not a legend.
That's about 1 goal every 3 games. A decent player but not a legend.
He doesn't help himself though, does he? If he felt the club wanted rid after being dropped and reading negative stories in the press then he should man up and talk to the manager. To give an exclusive to Henry fecking Winter without saying anything to Amorin is so disrespectful. And it's stuff like that which has damaged his relationship with the fans, almost as much as the poor performances on the pitch.
I suggest you hear Henry Winter's interview on SP. Their meeting was already set up a week before and had to be moved because of other commitments
The fact the media are all over it is exactly why its actually a good move by the club to make a stance that he either gets up to standard or leaves.
You can't have your poster boy/media circus players being players who set a bad standard to the rest of the squad.
It isn't about whether Rashford is right or wrong to do an interview. The media would be all over it either way and if anything its probably actually stopped a lot of stupid rumours about falling outs, etc. He hasn't said anything controversial so who cares? Its about what the best move is for the club, and setting a marker down that it expects its highest profile players to set high standards and wont put up with those standards slipping just to appease people, is absolutely a good move.
Its very good management from Amorim and its the biggest positive statement INEOS have made so far (IMO). It also doesn't boot Rashford out the door it just means if he stays he has to show he's earning the right to.
You can't have your poster boy/media circus players being players who set a bad standard to the rest of the squad.
It isn't about whether Rashford is right or wrong to do an interview. The media would be all over it either way and if anything its probably actually stopped a lot of stupid rumours about falling outs, etc. He hasn't said anything controversial so who cares? Its about what the best move is for the club, and setting a marker down that it expects its highest profile players to set high standards and wont put up with those standards slipping just to appease people, is absolutely a good move.
Its very good management from Amorim and its the biggest positive statement INEOS have made so far (IMO). It also doesn't boot Rashford out the door it just means if he stays he has to show he's earning the right to.
Firstly, there's nothing to suggest he originally planned to discuss his future when that interview was first set up. The main purpose given for the interview was his return to his school. This was consistent with his regular charity work.
Secondly, there had been reports about the club wanting to sell Rashford back in the summer, and that's just what we know publicly. Rashford would most likely know about this intent to sell him even before it was leaked, and has probably already been discussing it with his agent. So even if he did originally plan on saying he wants to leave when that interview was originally scheduled (which again, there is no evidence of), it doesn't change anything really. It's still logical he would be focusing on his future, knowing that it would most likely be away from Old Trafford.