Manchester United upgrade contact with Pep Guardiola, sources say

Sarni said:
Why would he do that when the only thing that could change is he would lose the opportunity to manage United if he failed? Even if he succeded elsewhere the outcome would be the same it will be if he never goes to manager anyone else - he will get United job very soon.
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I would rather he failed somewhere else and we know not to chose him than he drags our club down with him.
 
I prefer Mourinho over Pep now.

Both are great managers, but you get the sense that Mourinho is desperate to be given a chance here, while we are probably just another option for Pep.

A motivated Mourinho is a great manager.

He's not faultless though, dont get me wrong.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
I would rather he failed somewhere else and we know not to chose him than he drags our club down with him.
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Yeah me too but I'm just saying there is little incentive for him to go anywhere else because there is nothing to be gained.

The way we've been run the last two and a half years if Pep called Woody tomorrow begging for the job, he would be told to feck off because we have van Gaal and Giggs.
 
Sarni said:
Yeah me too but I'm just saying there is little incentive for him to go anywhere else because there is nothing to be gained.

The way we've been run the last two and a half years if Pep called Woody tomorrow begging for the job, he would be told to feck off because we have van Gaal and Giggs.
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Since Wooward has come in we have been run more like a department store than a football club. I actually think they have forgotten that the product on the pitch has to be successful for the rest to function properly.
 
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RedRover said:
Why? What makes him so special as to be handed the job at one of the biggest clubs in the world with no qualifications for it?

Its not about writing him off. It's about him showing that he's capable before he gets the job. If he's got such great potential, whey not go out there and prove it?
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Everyone wants Pep, but who did he manage? The B team for about a year?

LVG has managed all the big clubs in all the leagues, minus Italy, and won the league in each country. Also, managed his national team. But people want him out!

The truth of it is, just like players, there's not guarantee that a manager will come in and do a great job. Jose is a prime example...wins it one season, gets sacked the following!
 
Someone's probably said this but it seems strange that he would go to City if he does have this "plan" which some journalists etc have alluded to. He wants to manage United at some point and if he goes there it would be ruled out completely.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
Since Wooward has come in we have been run more like a department store than a football club. I actually think they have forgotten that the product on the pitch has to be successful for the rest to function properly.
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Well Yankees are the biggest and most marketable baseball club in the US and they are far from successful these days.
 
If he's really desperate for the United job he will take a sabbatical. Because Woodward is determined not to sack LVG. City are prepared to sack someone that will likely win them the title to get him. He's off to City IMO.
 
I can't take any news with "upgrading contact" or "considering a bid" or "preparing a bid" seriously in any way. This could mean anything, and more likely could have as much factual information about it as Lord of The Rings.
 
Would be interesting to see if Pep would be willing to take on rebuilding a side, he has been accused of taking over 'ready made' teams. The United job would be a challenge.
 
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Turnip said:
I can't take any news with "upgrading contact" or "considering a bid" or "preparing a bid" seriously in any way. This could mean anything, and more likely could have as much factual information about it as Lord of The Rings.
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It actually means...the journo has no clue!
 
Varun said:
To all those saying Woodward needs to be sacked if we don't approach Pep, how do you intend to find out? We could very well have approached him and turned down. You can be sure neither party would give out this info.
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Oh there will be outrage regardless! If it appears we were interested and tried for him, the idiots will be outraged the board didn't try hard enough.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
Isn't this exactly why he should be going out and trying his hand in management elsewhere? Yes it might work for him at United, but if it doesn't it could be absolutely catastrophic. Our reputation as a top club might be shot to pieces, the living on past glories tag can arrive pretty quickly.
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Yes.

There are loads of clubs who would give him a chance I suspect.
 
2mufc0 said:
Would be interesting to see if Pep would be willing to take on rebuilding a side, he has been accused of taken over 'ready made' teams. The United job would be a challenge.
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No ready made teams for him in the P.L. He'll have more or less of a challenge wherever he goes
 
red thru&thru said:
Mourinho was just an interpreter...he didn't turn out too bad!
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And Mourinho only managed one of the football giants in 2010, 10 years after his first job. Even if you try to be realistic and admit that we are currently a sort of "2004 Chelsea", he managed 3 clubs before that job.
 
JPRouve said:
And Mourinho only managed one of the football giants in 2010, 10 years after his first job. Even if you try to be realistic and admit that we are currently a sort of "2004 Chelsea", he managed 3 clubs before that job.
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What about Pep? What did he do of note before the Barca job?
 
bubbles_ said:
Someone's probably said this but it seems strange that he would go to City if he does have this "plan" which some journalists etc have alluded to. He wants to manage United at some point and if he goes there it would be ruled out completely.
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I was thinking the same. If this is the case, then it means LVG already knows he's going to go at the end of the season.
 
I reckon we're in with a shout if we want him. Trouble is, I'm not sure we do. City have been laying the ground work, that much is clear, but I doubt anything is 100% yet.
 
BennyBlanco said:
Devils Advocate, if/when City rent Pep for 3-4 years, we could just grow our team in the background with Giggs in that period of time, he'd play United football, play our youngsters, Wilson/Januzaj/Pereira etc and build on what we have you'd presume, we wouldn't likely win the PL often in those 3-4 years with Pep at CIty regardless of whomever we have as manager.
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Yeah it's going to be a big risk our end but I think that's more than likely what is going to happen now so we might as well accept it. LVG has done a good job with bedding in the younger players and I'm sure Giggs will carry that on and be a good manager in time but it's very worrying he will have to compete domestically with Klopp, Guardiola, Wenger and whoever Chelsea have at the time in his first proper managerial role.

At the same time though, if it seems like the right thing to do and the board simply don't want Mourinho here then we might as well see how Giggs does with it and hope for the best. I think it's clear to everyone Guardiola is on the way to City so it looks like Giggs will definitely have his work cut out for him. As this season has proved though with Mourinho's fall from grace, no one is safe. Guardiola knows his best bet right now is City and he is likely to win silverwear there but it's not certain by any means.
 
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Adisa said:
If he's really desperate for the United job he will take a sabbatical. Because Woodward is determined not to sack LVG. City are prepared to sack someone that will likely win them the title to get him. He's off to City IMO.
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More like Woodward won't sack LVG mid season when there aren't any suitable replacements available (don't say Mourinho). I expect LVG to make way for Pep at the end of the season in one of those 'mutual agreement' parting of ways.
 
red thru&thru said:
What about Pep? What did he do of note before the Barca job?
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Pep is an exception, he and Matt Busby did something pretty amazing. And if you want to make comparison why not use the very recent Seedorf, Ferrara or Inzaghi examples. Also Guardiola traveled and met different managers, he was described as "a student of the game" and he had Tito Villanueva as assistant, a very competent coach.
 
If the report is correct that Pep wants to manage United then what the hell are we waiting for?! I so wish the Addidas CEO or whomever would give Woodward a push towards this direction....

Can't believe we would pass on Pep - it's arrogance in the extreme. If Woodward is set on LVG fair enough - but why not let LVG continue his work behind the scenes and have Pep deal with the first team? Surely that makes sense?
So dreading us handing over to Giggs - it's like you can see that the train is coming but you ignore it and go lie down on the track all the same:rolleyes:
The United board are probably more deluded than Moyes:rolleyes:
 
JPRouve said:
Pep is an exception, he and Matt Busby did something pretty amazing. And if you want to make comparison why not use the very recent Seedorf, Ferrara or Inzaghi examples. Also Guardiola traveled and met different managers, he was described as "a student of the game" and he had Tito Villanueva as assistant, a very competent coach.
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Kenny Dalglish?
 
red thru&thru said:
Kenny Dalglish?
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Okay, but is that an argument for Giggs? Can it be the base for his appointment?

I said it several times, I'm not against his appointment as long as the main arguments aren't that he knows United and a handful of managers among thousands did it in 50 years of professional football.

Edit: There is also Cruyff but they all share the characteristic of being seen as extensions of the manager on the field. Giggs was never a general on the field.
 
Red71 said:
It does feel like everything they've done at city has been with the ultimate aim of enticing Pep with the changes to their academy structure to their on pitch play style to employing his best pals from Barca. It's almost as if they've tried to establish things and keep it ticking over for when he's ready to join them. It may well have been the long term plan all along.

IF we're interested tho, you'd like to think that we've given him the hard sell on the history and romanticism of our club. SAF introduced exciting, attacking football at United but maybe didn't win enough CL titles. Is that a challenge for Pep to match and supersede the great man? There is nothing city have got that we don't have or can't get so it would be a surprise for me if we couldn't persuade him. IF we're interested of course.....

One extra thing, beyond what Pep would actually bring as a manager including attracting a better class of player, is the kudos of landing the (sic) "best manager in the World ever". With the mentality of that club and their fans, you just know they would dine out on that for years.
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This post makes me wanna split my gut open, eat my spleen, stick a scaly fish in my backside and run in front of a bus.
 
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