But what about Diego Simeone?!!
Yeah, City's owners seem to have had a hard on for Pep since his Barca days. So it wouldn't surprise me 1 bit if he ends up there, but on the bit of longevity, I don't think Pep is going to stay anywhere long enough to build a dynasty or try and improve on SAF's European trophy haul.
He'll, based on his career thus far, maybe stay 3, maximum of 4 years and any team will be lucky to win 1, let alone 2 UCL trophies in that period.
I actually see taking over at our club a much bigger challenge for Pep, than taking over at City. So time will tell but at the moment it seems he's headed that way.
Oh he'd be great. Like I said, what he's achieved in the last 5 seasons is absolutely incredible.
No problem. Guardiola has only managed Barca and Bayern, and my dog could have won stuff with them. He'll only dare go to the strongest team in the EPL and not a semi-struggling United, but City aren't Bayern, and EPL isn't Bundesliga, so I can easily see him fail there.
join the team that already have a terrific squad and tonnes of money, or join a club still struggling post Fergie.
That dirty bastad has done it again, the absolute myth. He'll go down as a guy who was good at managing already top squads.
That dirty bastad has done it again, the absolute myth. He'll go down as a guy who was good at managing already top squads.
Careful, you're getting worrying close to that awful, "why get Mourinho, he'd only guarantee trophies for a few years, Moyes is our man for the real long haul"
Careful, you're getting worrying close to that awful, "why get Mourinho, he'd only guarantee trophies for a few years, Moyes is our man for the real long haul"
feck that I was simply replying to someone who made it sound like pep was going to revolutionize clubs &/or be tempted to improve on SAF's European record. And on Moyes, not a chance, I'd love pep here
Tbh, I don't even know "where I stand these days". I just want our club to sort their shit out, one way or the other.
I agree with you on the bold highlighted text, but you have to say that Pep did not only win the Bundesliga with Bayern (which is really not the most difficult job in the world) - his Bayern team is probably the best Bayern team in their history. (Yeah, I know, he failed to win the CL, but to win the CL every team, even the very good ones, need a bit of luck.)
And to add one more point: Even if Pep will/would have bigger problems at City than he had at Barca or Munich... his aura attracts the very big names of word football. Pep's name + City's billions could bring interesting names like - I don't know - Neymar, Alaba, Thiago, etc.
In my opinion Pep is not so good in only one thing: He is not warm-hearted when it comes to the "fan"-thing you know. For example, I know a lot of Bayern fans and nearly everybody wanted him to stay, they adore him, they respect him, they think he is the best coach in the world... but is he a fan favourite? No, not really. They don't love him the way they love Heynckes or Hitzfeld (and this has nothing to do with the missing cl trophy.) Pep is always reserved and distanced. Even after three years in Munich a lot of fans here (I am working in Munich) have the feeling that Pep just arrived and that he never really got involved in the club beside the game on the pitch.
He will join City and win them trophies, but he will leave after no more than 4 seasons. The guy just cannot stay in one spot. No matter who he joins he is a grasshopper,, even if he is a very good grasshopper.
He's a bit of a cnut I gotta say.
"When I have a new club, I'll let you know"
"I'll announce my decision next week"
Sorry but, if a player behaved like that, whilst still under employment at a club, we'd be calling him all sorts.
"When I have a new club, I'll let you know"
"I'll announce my decision next week"
Sorry but, if a player behaved like that, whilst still under employment at a club, we'd be calling him all sorts.
To be fair to him what he said was, 'once I sign a contract, the club will make the announcement'.
Even before this, before he announced he was leaving, he was coming out with stuff like "I shall announce my decision next week"
I just find it a bit
I was simply replying to someone who made it sound like pep was going to revolutionize clubs &/or be tempted to improve on SAF's European record. And on Moyes, not a chance, I'd love pep here
Tbh, I don't even know "where I stand these days". I just want our club to sort their shit out, one way or the other.
Don't worry, we're in "safe" hands for the next 18months. I guarantee you we'll be top of the possession league table.
Then Giggsy can have a real f'ck about. 72 crosses a game, 9 goals a game, it'll be amazing.
I can hear him now "can we get more crosses lads, move it wide quicker, get it in, get on it, simple innit"
My one question about Simeone would be how much he'd want a job in England. It's Mourinho's favourite league and Guardiola wants to work there as well. I don't know if Simeone would be that keen on it or if his football would be quite as successful there.
Remember the days ol Moyesie got slaughtered for "hitting the bye line"?
We won't get Pep, he doesn't fit our ethos. We're a club with a tradition of supporting our managers through thick and thin and expecting them to be here long enough to build a legacy. That's what we have... Which is handy because we've got feck all else going for us.
I'm not 100% convinced we're after Pep but if he were to come, reviving a (relatively) sleeping giant might be appealing and with the autonomy and resources at Utd, a manager of Pep's stature should be challenging for European trophies. Two in four years would be a phenomenal return, but doable, match SAF and then leave him with a decision on whether to stick or twist. All conjecture tho I know.
Of course, he might be excited of the prospect of building a dynasty at city too and making a real mark on their history so who knows!?
In the end, I'd like to think that Utd was much more appealing for all sorts of reasons but then I'm hardly objective am I?
Remember the days ol Moyesie got slaughtered for "hitting the bye line"?
And that game with 730 crosses, all of them onto that 7ft 15 defender's head.
To be honest, we as United fans would not mind a manager for 4 seasons and winning trophies while being at it.
I'm not sure that warranted posting again TBH. Unless you know Giggs personally, it's very unfair to suggest that he's not intelligent enough to manage a top club or indeed a top top club presumably based off a documentary and a few interviews....
FFS
Yep. I guess time will reveal all. It'd be a bit "full of shit" of him to go to city, if he has both options IMO though. I'm not trying to dismiss city - but pep is supposedly enchanted by clubs with history, not sugar daddy clubs etc....but if he picks city, he's kinda just picking the easiest way out again. Not that it'd matter to him obviously, but he'd lose a bit of my adulation for him.
Presumably he also speaks fluent french, spanish and cockney to make an accurate assessment
Pep doing an Eden Hazard. He'll be teasing on Twitter next. I know it might be respect for Pellegrini, but I hope he's told United not to waste their time.
To be fair to him, Pep was pestered by journalists with this question at every opportunity and he seemed thoroughly annoyed by it.Even before this, before he announced he was leaving, he was coming out with stuff like "I shall announce my decision next week"
I just find it a bit
As Guardiola has stated, he has not signed any contract yet. Ive no doubt Manchester United are in serious dialogue with him and Mourinho, it would be naive to assume otherwise.
Appointing either has its own set of complications and requirements which the club cannot have budgeted for in its planning process; we did not expect to be in the situation with LVG that we are currently in and Mourinho has only been available for a month.
Like you both say, I suspect the board is buying itself time by retaining LVG to see how things play out. And that is the eminently sensible rather than making a knee jerk panic decision (which it seems most Cafe posters seem hell bent on).
Im still very confident we will finish top 4 with LVG in charge. Even if we do, given both Mourinho and Guardiola are available, it makes sense to apply proper due diligence and make the best possible decision. Part of that process is retaining faith with LVG for the time being.
Certain that he's going to City.
I really don't think we're interested. All signs point to Giggs as LVG's successor.
I really don't think we're interested. All signs point to Giggs as LVG's successor.
I agree. Though I acknowledge the Premier League is inferior in comparison to La Liga (and to an extent, Bundesliga) in quality, what we do have within our dreadful league is more competition. Real Madrid won 10-2 the other week. Despite the opposition suffering 2 red cards, when has the Premier League ever had such an apocalypse of a game (minus the 8-2 vs Arsenal a few years back)? I also get not every game for Spain's top 3-4 ends with a goal difference of 4-5 goals, but even the die-hard fanboys have to admit this league is completely different, and that could hinder Pep.
The same could be said to an extent about Bundesliga. As brilliant and dominant as Bayern are both domestically and in Europe, they've won the Bundesliga in 12 out of the last 17 seasons. Yes, on one hand you could say this is sheer amazing unplayable football, but on the other hand, what does that say about the competition?
When have we ever seen stories of "giant killings" from sides such as UD Las Palmas or Greuther Furth, as we have in the past where clubs like Wigan Athletic defeated a City team who finished 2nd in the FA Cup final - and were relegated in the process?
I'm not aiming to sound like I'm trying to take any credit away from Pep as a manager - I'd love him here, especially over the drool we currently possess. All I'm saying is Pep at City in a league like this won't necessarily mean it'll end the same way it has in the other leagues. I'd be saying the exact same thing if he whipped down his pants and had Fred the Red with his signature thumbs up pose tattoo'd on his testicles...
I was hoping we could compete one day against that chimp who could only win things with the strongest side in the world and made bayern look much weaker in Europe after disrupting maybe the most exciting and unbeatable team I have ever seen which Heynckes made them. And offcourse you will win in Bundesliga with Bayern, my shoe could do it. He will go to City will again have the strongest team, when everyone is struggling and mainly us. Please get us nice manager who can stop this overrated fella.
I wouldn't be surprised if he ended up in Chelsea though, Roman has got plenty of money and didn't he announce quite lately he's got someone extra for the job, not sure if it was before or after confirming Hidding. He doesn't look exciting anyway
I wouldn't be surprised if he ended up in Chelsea though, Roman has got plenty of money and didn't he announce quite lately he's got someone extra for the job, not sure if it was before or after confirming Hidding. He doesn't look exciting anyway
I've accepted that our club is heading in to mediocrity. The upper management isnt too bothered by it as well.
Pep likes to go to ready made teams where he can continue his run of success.
Well it was either that or rewording it slightly, but I had a couple of emails to send at the same time so I didn't think that would be as time efficient as copypasting.
Not that he's at all stupid, but if you're not a particularly bright spark you're not a particularly bright spark, you can't hide it and if you try to argue otherwise in the case of Giggs then all I can do is offer you my condolences.
I'm actually pretty sure we're going to stick with LVG for as long as we can conceivably do so (until his position becomes untenable) and then try to bring in Giggs or, if it's too soon, a caretaker manager for a season or two until Giggs is 'ready'. If we were looking to be a top club with a top manager we'd have gone for Mourinho because it's going to be a while before another top manager becomes available.
Pep is City bound or, failing that, Chelsea bound as he just isn't acting like someone heading to Utd. Remember when Hazard said he'd announce his decision on Twitter? That's when I knew he was going to Chelsea.
If we want to keep up with the likes of City and Chelsea and catch up to the likes of Barca and Madrid, we need to be positioning ourselves to appeal to big players and to appeal to young fans too if we want to stay at/near the top in terms of English clubs even. Sure, when I was a kid and started supporting United, we were awful and had been for some time, but times have changed in football. Young fans are, in my opinion, unlikely to support a team content with mediocrity and dull as dishwater football when there are the all-singing, all-dancing, fan coveting, nouveau riche clubs out there.
We're in danger of triggering our own demise as a top club if we're not careful and I just can't see why else we'd have overlooked Mourinho's availability when LVG is clearly never going to take us anywhere.
Pep is City bound or, failing that, Chelsea bound as he just isn't acting like someone heading to Utd. Remember when Hazard said he'd announce his decision on Twitter? That's when I knew he was going to Chelsea.
If we want to keep up with the likes of City and Chelsea and catch up to the likes of Barca and Madrid, we need to be positioning ourselves to appeal to big players and to appeal to young fans too if we want to stay at/near the top in terms of English clubs even. Sure, when I was a kid and started supporting United, we were awful and had been for some time, but times have changed in football. Young fans are, in my opinion, unlikely to support a team content with mediocrity and dull as dishwater football when there are the all-singing, all-dancing, fan coveting, nouveau riche clubs out there.
We're in danger of triggering our own demise as a top club if we're not careful and I just can't see why else we'd have overlooked Mourinho's availability when LVG is clearly never going to take us anywhere.
There isn't one in existence in the Premier League to be fair. The most functional team right now is Arsenal.
And that's City.....?
Do people who post opinions like this honestly believe that about Pep, or do they just try and convince themselves so it hurts less when the inevitability that he joins City becomes reality? Pep is the best manager in the world, it's only understandable he would manage the best teams in the world. You just have to watch that Barca team under Pep to know he is a freak of a manager. Yes they were a great team, yes they had very good players coming through the academy but his understanding and knowledge of football created a team that was virtually unbeatable. Not to add he arguably completely changed how football was perceived tactically. All the while his vastly documented great man-management skills haven't even been mentioned yet. Costa himself has spoken about how Guardiola has helped him improve his games by several levels.
I'm not extremely upset that he's joining City, as regardless of what manager any team has, anyone can theoretically beat anybody, but to deflect from his incredible talent for his occupation is just being silly.
I hate the title of this thread lol.
I would rather have Mourinho. He's off too city anyway...
Pep will go to City.
Jose will go back to Madrid or take over PSG
We'll have boring LVG for a 3rd year.
Jose will go back to Madrid or take over PSG
We'll have boring LVG for a 3rd year.