Even though they've just hired some random guy as their new manager?...
Even though they've just hired some random guy as their new manager?...
You think Zidane will be sacked ?
How furious would everyone be if we dont get Pep or Jose and are stuck with LVG for another year? Thats when I will really panic tbf and it'll confirm that the club is run by a bunch of idiots and will end up in a Liverpool-esque situation.
I dont think the board wants Mourinho. The fact that Sir Bobby even went on record to say that shows the feelings toward him. I think it's likely that a job opportunity will open up for Jose around Europe and he'll take it.
I think we'll probably stick with Van Gaal if he makes top 4 , and then go on another spending spree to push on for a title challenge next season.
I do think we'll definitely try for Guardiola in the background (or have tried) but will be unsuccesful for whatever reason. We briefed the press a month ago that we were not interested in Pep, and I reckon that's when we probably realized it was too late. We also said that Van Gaal was a genius and that we were pleased especially about the work he was doing behind the scenes.
So I think we will go for the safe option and stick to what we've got. That's LVG.
Agree with point one and three, however not two. Whilst Perez would have him back the players don't want him to return.
I agree but for different reasons. Taking money from Qatar, not blinking an eye when a player trapped in this disgraceful environment asks publicly for his support - and at the same time fighting for the independence of Catalonia is cnutish beyond belief.
Would be interesting to know if it's just Ronaldo or some more players. A fading Ronaldo will sooner or later be gone.
Real may be hoping they've got their own Pep, an ex-player promoted from within. Utd same with Giggs. This is all Pep's fault.
Well he fell out with Pepe over the classic 'His problem has a name - it is Raphael Varane.'
He fell out with all the Spaniards there at the time. Casillas has gone now, though.This is the same board that had years and years to plan for the retirement of Sir Alex, and regularly said that they had planned well for it, and that things would be different from when Sir Matt retired.
Sir Alex even went on record saying that we would bring in a manager with experience, both in league terms and in Europe.
With the eyes of the world on them to see how they would handle this massive transition, they gave the job to one time 3rd champions league qualifying round experienced David Moyes.
Businesses (not just football clubs ) need to have contingency plans for the worst case scenario. Sometimes its the ability and timeliness to react to a change in once environment that is more important. That's what good corporate governance entails. Responding to risks and challenging situations as they arise, not finding the perfect solution with time.Especially seeing as the waiting it out strategy failed miserably with Moyes.
Once bitten, twice shy.
Well, its certainly not us, building a team / "a project" doesn't seem his style. I would put my money on City.
To all those saying Woodward needs to be sacked if we don't approach Pep, how do you intend to find out? We could very well have approached him and turned down. You can be sure neither party would give out this info.
Sir Bobby may not want him - but what the board wants is success, or at least a prospect of challenging for it. The bottom line for the people running the club is money - from the Champions League, from sponsors, and whatever you say about Mourinho, he will almost guarantee you success based on his previous achievements.
The suggestion he'll only stay a few years is perhaps valid, but he's running out of places to go and as Sir Alex did, perhaps he will become less volatile the older he gets. Maybe he'll learn lessons from his time at Chelsea. In any event, he will attract quality players and even if he's gone after three or four years, if he leaves a good squad then I suspect that would be acceptable.
We may very well stick with Van Gaal - but he's only a "safe option" if he's winning games. Moyes was going to be backed comewhat may but once it became clear he couldn't cut it he was out the door as quickly as that. Van Gaal will recognise where he's at, and if he and the team don't perform I expect he'll jump before he's pushed - his comments alluding to resigning tell you all you need to know, as do his throwing away the previously conservative attitude. He knows he's fighting to keep his job.
For me, and it's only an opinion, I think if we had no chance of getting Pep then Van Gaal would already have been sacked and Mourinho given the job. Once Pep became available this summer, it makes little sense to sack Van Gaal to give the job to a less experienced assistant.
Personality is a factor and I'm sure he commands respect by his achievements. That said, you need to be able to motivate all different types of people.
At the end of the day the two major factors in success are tactical awareness and man management. You don;t know whether anyone has the required skills until they've done the job. Assistants don;t always make good coaches - simply because the top job is much bigger. You can't be close to the players, have to answer for your choices and decisions and be cool under huge pressure.
That's a a rational comment and there's no rationality in being a football fan you know this.
Especially because LVG is gonna get us relegated unless he leaves right now.
Are you suggesting City isn't a project?
They'll have a huge rebuild due soon. Whilst they have good young talent in Sterling and De Bruyne, the likes of Sagna, Kolarov, Kompany, Toure etc are hitting or going over the wrong side of 30, Kompany and Aguero spend half their time injured whilst the likes of Mangala and Fernando just don't cut it.
He'll change a lot at City, and that screams of project to me.
@Crossie
Laurent Blanc is a great example of that, in front of cameras, he is calm and a bit boring but every players who played with said that he was intense and extremely driven, he is a natural leader. Deschamps is an other calm manager.
Laurent Blanc is a great example of that, in front of cameras, he is calm and a bit boring but every players who played with said that he was intense and extremely driven, he is a natural leader. Deschamps is an other calm manager.
Fair enoughThat's a a rational comment and there's no rationality in being a football fan you know this.
Especially because LVG is gonna get us relegated unless he leaves right now.
Keane achievement in a single year beats the whole sunderland team in a decade. Do they respect him enough?
Achievement are just that, people will respect and play for any manager that can stroke their ego (via achievement, fear, man management, carrot and stick, etc). Different manager have different tools and persona, but achievement as a player can only buy you a few mths of goodwill at best.
I had a phd physics olympic winner as a teacher, but suffice to say he's cold as a cucumber and the whole class goes to revolt asking for a new teacher
It's pretty much certain for me that van Gaal is here until 2017 and then it's Giggs. If he were to be sacked, he would have been sacked in December.
With no replacement? (given the club don't want Mou) I'm not so sure.
Yeah looks that way. Just think it's such an odd decision if so.
If Pep is interested in coming/gettable than I can't understand the logic. Giggs isn't going anywhere in terms of we're risking loosing him. Setting aside him being completely unproven, if Pep comes and he's only doing a few years than Giggs can either stay and learn, maybe taking over the Youth team as well, or he can go to a smaller club. It's not like we're risking loosing him to Chelsea or something. If he goes elsewhere i.e. Swansea, proves himself then we can get him back I'm sure. If he goes and struggles than maybe he isn't ready anyway.
In the meantime we get a manager that is probably the best in the world currently, likely has a big draw for international players. Hopefully he does a couple of years at least. Just can't see how turning up on Pep for 3 maybe more years compared to another year of LVG who's just about met minimum expectations and then a massive question mark over Giggs makes any sort of sense.
I can't help but think this whole "several clubs interested in me" lark is just stage management for when he's finally revealed as City manager as has already been agreed.
A chance for City to prove they have a bigger pull than us and are overtaking us.
A chance for City to prove they have a bigger pull than us and are overtaking us.
I read that he would only be staying 3 years in his new job, that he is still too young to be thinking about a long term appointment or creating a dynasty.
"Three years are enough. I am not comfortable with staying at one club for 30 years. I want new restaurants, a new city, a new challenge"
Priorities sorted there Pep.
Priorities sorted there Pep.
And it would too. Nice one, United.
I'd take it. But I can't see it being entirely true. Maybe he wouldn't want to stay for a extended period but it takes a few seasons to fully get into the swing of things, surely? (That's no excuse for being shit in those seasons, Mr Van Gaal).
Anyway, he could potentially steady this shoddily steadied ship in that time.
3 years at City would be enough for him to be a success and have a big push in terms of City overtaking us in the short term.
More than the first team, our biggest issue is our youth system. We have fell so behind of the likes City and Chelsea, this is our main concern. This is where I reckon LVG is impressing the current board. let's not forget, we don't get to see what happens behind the scenes. Where as Pep would just solely concentrate on the first team.
Plus, I don't know why everyone is writing Giggs off, just because he is the number 2 to LVG, doesn't mean he agrees to all his decisions. Got to give Giggs a chance.
More than the first team, our biggest issue is our youth system. We have fell so behind of the likes City and Chelsea, this is our main concern. This is where I reckon LVG is impressing the current board. let's not forget, we don't get to see what happens behind the scenes. Where as Pep would just solely concentrate on the first team.
Plus, I don't know why everyone is writing Giggs off, just because he is the number 2 to LVG, doesn't mean he agrees to all his decisions. Got to give Giggs a chance.
Reminds me of Eden Hazard, before he signed for Chelsea.
I would love Mourinho as manager as I believe he is better than interested candidate, but I cant see it happening. I dont think SBC is the only one of our board against it. SAF has even gone on record saying that he'd prefer Giggs as the next United manager.
Cant see LVG walking either. Financially it wouldnt benefit him either. He's never really walked at any previous club, except at Barca and that was also largely due to the president that had fired him losing the club elections.
Imo, Pep has already decided where he's going. My fear is that we chase him around missing out on other suitable candidates
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Because he is only a number two and therefore is a complete unknown.
The said club already announced his successor.
...hence why I then talk about managing all different types of personalities. Roy Keane clearly can't do that and it's why he'll never make it as a manager at the top level.
Roy Keane has had a chance to manage and it largely hasn't worked out. This is what Ryan Giggs needs to do. Go out there, do the job and show everyone you have the numerous skills required to do well. Until then, whether he's capable of doing it is a mystery.
Mourinho was just an interpreter...he didn't turn out too bad!
Why? What makes him so special as to be handed the job at one of the biggest clubs in the world with no qualifications for it?
Its not about writing him off. It's about him showing that he's capable before he gets the job. If he's got such great potential, whey not go out there and prove it?
Could be bollocks but United reportedly aren't interested http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/manchester-united-not-challenge-city-7126468
He didn't get the Barca job as soon as Bobby Robson left either. He had to go and earn his shot at the big time.
Isn't this exactly why he should be going out and trying his hand in management elsewhere? Yes it might work for him at United, but if it doesn't it could be absolutely catastrophic. Our reputation as a top club might be shot to pieces, the living on past glories tag can arrive pretty quickly.
We'd be giving Giggs job as interim manager and sorting out Mourinho in the background. We are not going to get managers much better than Mourinho available and willing to come here.
Why would he do that when the only thing that could change is he would lose the opportunity to manage United if he failed? Even if he succeded elsewhere the outcome would be the same it will be if he never goes to manager anyone else - he will get United job very soon.