Not really if we aren't in UCL the Adidas deal lose a large part of his value.
We are not done, that doesn't mean that we will be able to sign someone, but we will try.
Manchester United transfer news and rumours for summer 2014
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Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) discuss United's fantastic win away against Athletic Club in the semi-final of the Europa League.
They also pick out the positives of United's 4-3 loss away at Brentford, and Nik reviews a day out at Old Trafford watching Manchester United Women qualify for the Champions League.
Not really if we aren't in UCL the Adidas deal lose a large part of his value.
We are not done, that doesn't mean that we will be able to sign someone, but we will try.
don't worry I am sure most of Woodwards time is devoted on a new investor in case that happens instead of any investment in the team.
Feck me, we've spent more money in the last five transfer windows than ANY other European club, including PSG. You're making out like they're happy for us to rot when all signs point to them heavily investing in order to get us back to top four. The real issue is that we have bought very badly.
Also, it's far more beneficial financially and in terms of marketability for us to be winning things and in the CL, they know that too. Even our monstrous Adidas deal hinges on us not being out of the CL for two consecutive seasons after 2015.
Doesn't that mean loosing quite a bit of money on the Adidas deal? There is a clause for not being in UCL 2 seasons in a row right?
That is the major problem that he is doing two jobs. Either deal with transfers or deal with sponsers. The should be two separate jobs.
We're second to PSG I believe
We're not. Unless Sky Sports were wrong.
Ah, my bad!
Remember also it is NET spend, so other clubs like Chelsea and Liverpool etc have been able to spend more than us in real terms becuase they we're able to sell players for significant sums to fund transfers.
I know. I think that just highlights how badly we've been spending though.
We are finished in the market this summer I fear. Think it'll be a tough old season.
Starting from next year. So if we fail to finish top 4 this season, next year would count as our first out of the CL as far as the adidas deal is concerned*.
*pretty sure that's right, but someone please correct me if I've misunderstand the terms of the deal.
The fact that it's net is even worth that means that the club actually spent this money, without anything financing it. We are with PSG the club who took the most money out of the club on the transfer market.
And the numbers will be even worth since this table doesn't take in account this transfer window.
Ok.. still if we don't make UCL this year, I doubt we will the year after tbh. Will be even harder to attract players and new sponsors after 2 seasons out of UCL.
I think its critical we get top 4 this season
When you put it like that....
It makes the Shaw transfer more baffling for me (if we don't spend more money this summer), our biggest outlay would be on a relatively inexperienced LB for a squad which has lost so much experience and know how at the back and in midfield over the years.
Is that accurate? Cant believe Liverpool are not up there.. over 100M this window add to that Carroll, Allen & co. Even Arsenal spent a lot over last 5 windows.
For me the Shaw transfer is a very good transfer, he is very good defensively and decent offensively.
I'm more bothered by the Fellaini, RVP, Zaha, Young, Kagawa or even Jones transfers.
All these players are useless for us today, and we bought all of them while we needed 2 cms, 1 RB and 2 good Wingers.
The Glazers aren't directly at fault for that (they are because they are the owners, but that's it), the real responsible are the football peoples at the club. (SAF, the scouts, Gill, Woodward, Moyes)
It's an accurate NET spend. United are way down the list on money actually spent. It's just United pay quite high prices for mediocre (sorry, I mean promising) players that have absolutely sod all resale value. Arsenal recouped £24 Mill from the sale of RvP and they haven't spent that much in comparison to other teams. Liverpool just sold Suarez for £65 Million and of course sold Torres for £50 Million.
I agree.
Although when referencing Shaw, I was directly talking about this summer and the state of the squad this summer.
Given we lost Vidic and Ferdinand, and also have a gapping hole and lack of quality in midfield, it seems odd to me that are most exp signing would be for a relatively young and inexperienced LB.
Although in the general scheme I do believe Shaw is a good investment.
NET spend...
Liverpool have sold Suarez and Torres in that time t recoup serious money.
RvP is useless to us today? That's news to me. And Jones will be excellent in the CB position if and when LvG sticks with him there. SAF moved him around far too much for his own good.
We have shelved out a lot of money the last two seasons (unfortunately a major chunk of it was on that bog brush but that's the "chosen one's" fault). I cannot believe people are still targeting glazers over our transfers this season.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...oks-set-century-bookings-West-Ham-direct.html
This just goes to show how awfully slow our team is. We need some pace desperately.
This just goes to show how awfully slow our team is. We need some pace desperately.
This is getting kind of ridiculous now, just nothing for days and days and days.
Liverpool now signing Balotelli to address the striekr being sold problem.
Meanwhile we just sit twiddling our thumbs no matter the shit that's going on at the moment.
There are serious problems we need to address, we need another CM first and foremost, big time.
Liverpool now signing Balotelli to address the striekr being sold problem.
Meanwhile we just sit twiddling our thumbs no matter the shit that's going on at the moment.
There are serious problems we need to address, we need another CM first and foremost, big time.
In the long run he is, he is a great injury prone striker in a team who already had a great striker but no midfield. Today the team would be better with a great midfielder and no RVP, than the contrary.
And for Jones it's more the price who bother me, he is a quality prospect, but 18m for a prospect is a lot of money, while we could have fixed our midfield woes with that money and opt for a cheaper prospect (like Zaha).
What has Zaha's signing got to do with Jones? Also, Jones is/was a terrific prospect. It's amazing you have no issues with Shaw's signing but have an issue with Jones'. Anyway, point is signings like Young/Ando/Fellaini have hurt us rather than the ones of RvP and Jones. RvP helped us win a league title. How can that ever be considered useless is beyond me.
Would agree about RVP, but not Jones. Jones and Smalling were brought with the intention of replacing Rio and Vidic and yes, Young English talents do cost that much, which includes the United fee, which selling clubs charge us knowing we have the money and will pay.
I don't think SAF would have gone for him, if city were not in the hunt. If he had gone to, say Juventus, we could still have won the title with kagawa behind Rooney/Berbatov and a WC midfielder signed instead of RVP.
I guess SAF went for RVP knowing that if city get him, they will be miles ahead.
Surely if we were really close to signing all these high profile players, there would be an article like the one below by now instead of dubious twitter sources?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/28878088
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/28878088
The wastes of money have been Kagawa, Fellaini and Young. Between those 3 that is approximately £60m that isn't United first XI quality. SAF bought Kagawa and rarely made use of him in his preferred position which made no sense. Young and Fellaini were players United never should have been in for. Even Zaha was another expensive gamble that SAF took that made little sense when what we needed and still do is proven quality.
I think he was set for Juve before we jumped in. Anyway, point being he was not a useless signing by any stretch. Also, I think Fergie already knew Rooney would throw another tantrum during his contract saga and we would need a quality striker with him gone. So last season we would have seen the back of Rooney and would have got someone like Thiago/Strootman if Moyes had not fkd around twiddling his thumbs and installing iPads.
Shaw is already defensively good enough for the PL, the incertitude is with his offensive contribution. While Jones wasn't good enough when we signed he was solely and still is a great potential. And like i said it's not the quality of the player who bother but the price for a 5th choice at the time.
Winning the league has been a poisoned gift, we played with an extremely unbalanced team who was unable to control any game, RVP didn't improved us as a all but helped us to hide our weaknesses.
That's BS. What is he, psychic??. If he could have predicted Rooney throwing a tantrum, he could have easily predicted our MF crumbling and would have done something about it.
The bold part is called long term planning. That is why SAF was able to build multiple title winning teams over a quarter of a century. He didn't go for quick fixes. He looked at the bigger picture and made his purchases accordingly. Though in RvP's case that cannot be argued but Jones was definitely one for the future. He was PL proven and was already a target for other big clubs like Arsenal.
No, but he was not stupid enough to know that he had tried the same hand during his last contract negotiation. It does not take a psychic to realize that it could happen again and a smart man would always protect himself against it. As the saying goes: Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.
Don't take me for an idiot, that's why said we bought potential, and invested massively in positions where we add time and depth while we didn't in positions where we needed improvement right away and depth. The plan was bad and the future confirmed it.
An other when other clubs plan for the future they try to have good deals, Jones for 18m wasn't a good deal at the time.
And on that point they won't keep revenue coming in if we carry on playing at current level. A year of this could go down as an accident, two years won't and more than three years will be disastrous to club's profitability.
The purchase of Jones was in no way a hindrance to our CM buys or the lack of it. I don't know why you are trying to intertwine the two. Going by your logic, Rooney's purchase was also that of a tremendous potential (although he was more proven than Jones) and the outlay that time was huge. Jones for 18 million was perhaps a bit expensive but no way unnecessary. Imagine if had also bought Varane, as we were trying to at that time, we would not have been crying out for a top CB like we are now. I am sure you would have still cribbed if we had got Varane that time. Many of us, including me, thought of it as a useless pursuit since we already had so many CBs. But now it seems SAF was planning more long term than many here think for the CB position at least.