Manchester United transfer news and rumours for summer 2014

bleedred said:
Nailed it. My sentiments exactly. We never really replaced Scholes for a long time, I know its hard, but other players were no where close enough and we kept relying on him till his legs lasted. We are doing the same now with Carrick, rather than gradually phasing him out.
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Yea it drives me mad

But it is not the fact we never replaced scholes, we never really bought anyone in 7 years. That is the problem I have with how things have been handled since 2009, many go on about superstars, the whole reason why the transfer market was invented was to improve what a club has got, we have not in midfield. Put it this way, when rooney and RVP leave in the future, would we replace that with players who would score us 9 to 10 goals a season? no we would buy a top class striker or 2 who will score us goals, that is their job. When the club buys players, we buy them that will improve us. And in midfield, we have a collection of midfielders like anderson that are not better than what we have got, until we bought herrera who is better than what we have got. I feel herrera can replace carrick long term, we just need another.
 
It'll be interesting to see what LVG says after the match tomorrow. Think he might rule out any further business tbh, but that's just me having zero faith in Woodward.
 
Mitchell Nicholas said:
I'm speaking more in terms of now, with James, Ronaldo, Bale, if they don't play as a team, they'll win nothing. To be fair, they played well as a team last season. My point is, you can have all the superstars you want, but if don't play as a team, you'll get nothing.
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That's the same for any team, but when you have players like Ronaldo and Bale, you have a better chance of winning.
 
I still think he's a bit of an Essex wideboy, but I seriously cannot blame Woodward for not getting an elite player. I genuinely think the players we really want aren't interested in a move to United.
 
ghagua said:
That's the same for any team, but when you have players like Ronaldo and Bale, you have a better chance of winning.
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Exactly

Put it this way, would we rather superstars that can win matches on their own? Or average players who work hard, but won't win you matches

Ronaldo and bale ?

Valencia and young ?
 
We will have to overpay now for players we needed and could've had on the cheap years ago and we actually needed ages ago. Mainly in midfield which for one reason or another was badly ignored. It was poor for sights on United's part and now it's sadly time to correct the wrongs and along with that comes overpaying.

The clubs with the type of players we need don't look like they need to sell which will jack up the prices and we're not an attractive club this year due to the lack of CL football to players which will drive up their wage demands.
 
Oneunited26 said:
Exactly

Put it this way, would we rather superstars that can win matches on their own? Or average players who work hard, but won't win you matches

Ronaldo and bale ?

Valencia and young ?
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You do realise you can get players who aren't superstars that will win you matches (and titles)? Atletico Madrid?
You do need a special player or two (Mata, RVP, Rooney), but you also need a team which works as a unit. This needs more than just 'superstars'. 11 World class players does not mean you have a world class team.
 
Loon said:
I still think he's a bit of an Essex wideboy, but I seriously cannot blame Woodward for not getting an elite player. I genuinely think the players we really want aren't interested in a move to United.
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Throw enough money at them (ala City 5 years ago,) and just about any player will be interested in playing for a team of United's stature, especially led by Louis Van Gaal.
 
jem said:
Throw enough money at them (ala City 5 years ago,) and just about any player will be interested in playing for a team of United's stature, especially led by Louis Van Gaal.
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Exactly. Someone's gonna take the bait eventually.
 
Starting to become really impatient. This transfer window really sucks. Woodward is a joke. Should get fired ASAP or we should look into hiring a real director.
 
iBoss said:
You do realise you can get players who aren't superstars that will win you matches (and titles)? Atletico Madrid?
You do need a special player or two (Mata, RVP, Rooney), but you also need a team which works as a unit. This needs more than just 'superstars'. 11 World class players does not mean you have a world class team.
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Exactly, I can't believe that transfer window after transfer window that United cannot seem to find any players that can add some value to the squad whilst all the teams around us seem to do quite well in this respect
 
Some of the quotes in here are embarrassing. Calm down for feck sake we have won an unprecedented amount of titles in the last 20 years. Our manager retired it didn't work out with Moyes we now have LVG in the last 2 windows we have bought so far Mata (superstar) Hererra (potential superstar) Shaw (potential superstar) all cost over £30m. Since LVG came in he said he wants to assess his players and rightly so, well next to no one has left and no one has come in since the two mentioned. I'm sure we will sign players but its not easy getting the players of the ilk of Vidal or Hummels. Maybe we will buy potential and develop it as we have always done and if we do that's fine by me. Like it or not it is going to take more than one window to get back to the top. But the amount of shit being spouted is embarrassing, especially in the way of Woodward.
 
iBoss said:
You do realise you can get players who aren't superstars that will win you matches (and titles)? Atletico Madrid?
You do need a special player or two (Mata, RVP, Rooney), but you also need a team which works as a unit. This needs more than just 'superstars'. 11 World class players does not mean you have a world class team.
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What I meant was in the forward/wide department you need special players, I do think the spine of the team in terms of GK CM and attack you need big time players, as they are ones who win you championships. Germany may not have fancy players, but they are still big time players. You never see Germany carrying passengers like Valencia fellaini Anderson nani
 
Oneunited26 said:
What I meant was in the forward/wide department you need special players, I do think the spine of the team in terms of GK CM and attack you need big time players, as they are ones who win you championships. Germany may not have fancy players, but they are still big time players. You never see Germany carrying passengers like Valencia fellaini Anderson nani
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I agree 100%. The forwards will always be the special players in the game. A couple of years ago players who were only in for a job would only get to play on occasion, not being part of a regular 11. When you start lowering your expectations on a Man united performance to being able to get a cross into the box, that's when you're in real trouble.

At this point we have more bench players than we actually need and we have also given them too much time. Had we used this standards 10 years ago we would be watching players like Spector, Greening, Beardsley etc and getting nowhere. Players will come and go, no need to be sentimental about them unless they're up to the highest standards.

And regarding that post iBoss said about getting players who aren't superstars and will win you matches - yes that is true in a way. Thing is those players are only on their way of becoming superstars. Those things happens at times. How many of the players in Southampton more than doubled their value during this season for example?

No more nonsens. Get the players with real talent and get rid of the junk.
 
Lawman said:
Some of the quotes in here are embarrassing. Calm down for feck sake we have won an unprecedented amount of titles in the last 20 years. Our manager retired it didn't work out with Moyes we now have LVG in the last 2 windows we have bought so far Mata (superstar) Hererra (potential superstar) Shaw (potential superstar) all cost over £30m. Since LVG came in he said he wants to assess his players and rightly so, well next to no one has left and no one has come in since the two mentioned. I'm sure we will sign players but its not easy getting the players of the ilk of Vidal or Hummels. Maybe we will buy potential and develop it as we have always done and if we do that's fine by me. Like it or not it is going to take more than one window to get back to the top. But the amount of shit being spouted is embarrassing, especially in the way of Woodward.
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I agree with your point in general but if we sign a couple of players like CM/ CB, I think we could actually challenge for the title. We are not that far away actually. We can't take the ever spending Barca or Real as standards but spending a bit heavily in this transfer window could make us actually challeneg for the title at the least.

--------------------DDG------------------

-----------Smalling---Evans----CB-------

Rafael---------------------------------Shaw

---------------Vidal------Herrera---------

Janujaz--------------------------------Mata

-------------------Rooney----------------

With players in Squad like RVP, Jones, Fletcher, Young, Kagawa, Valencia, Welbeck, Hernandez, Carrick and the rest, we have decent enough back up as well. And our most important asset i.e. LVG.
 
I really thought this transfer window would be different.
 
Loon said:
I still think he's a bit of an Essex wideboy, but I seriously cannot blame Woodward for not getting an elite player. I genuinely think the players we really want aren't interested in a move to United.
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I don't agree to that. I believe players and agents mostly are after money. Of course small margin in the money leads to comparing other factors which we come short ( champions league, weather ). Some turned us and went to PSG , Monaco or even worse Russia and I don't think those teams match half of our appeal.
 
NMF said:
I really thought this transfer window would be different.
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Same here, thought we'd mean business because of the players that have left the club and those that obviously needed to go. All of the talk from Mata and Rooney being promised signings also got me excited. There's still time, but the season kicks off this weekend and you'd think we would have been fully prepared this time around.
 
I dont understand why people are blaming Woodward to much. Yes, he could have done better (and going all public with our transfer plans last season was not the smartest move) but he has done well since January.
People make it seem like when SAF & Kenyon/Gill were around, we would get pretty much whoever we wanted at a snap of a finger. IIRC, Rooney, Berbatov, Tevez & to an extent RVP all were drawn out down to the wire signings. It has been the case pretty much everytime we have tried to sign a high profile player.
 
starman said:
Seems to be our prime targets:
Cuadrado
Di Maria
Vidal
Blind

Reckon we will end up with Blind & Cuadrado

Though could sign them all and have a team of

..............................RVP/Rooney..............
.............................Mata/Rooney.......
...Shaw......Di Maria.....Vidal........Herrera......Cuadrado......
................Blind.......Evans......Smalling/Jones
..................................De Gea................
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I think our targets are more like:

CB: 1st choices Hummels and Vermaelen, Back up: Benatia (?) and Rojo
CM: 1st choice Vidal, Back up: Blind
Winger: 1st choice: Di Maria, Back up: Cuadrado
 
kiristao said:
I dont understand why people are blaming Woodward to much. Yes, he could have done better (and going all public with our transfer plans last season was not the smartest move) but he has done well since January.
People make it seem like when SAF & Kenyon/Gill were around, we would get pretty much whoever we wanted at a snap of a finger. IIRC, Rooney, Berbatov, Tevez & to an extent RVP all were drawn out down to the wire signings. It has been the case pretty much everytime we have tried to sign a high profile player.
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The only issue I really have with Woodward this summer is his big mouth.
Things like watch this space, and saying we can break the transfer record etc, (which he also said last summer) are a little unwise if you are not going to back up the statement.

Time will tell, but I do think he needs to learn to choose his words on transfers a little more carefully
 
Mitchell Nicholas said:
I'm speaking more in terms of now, with James, Ronaldo, Bale, if they don't play as a team, they'll win nothing. To be fair, they played well as a team last season. My point is, you can have all the superstars you want, but if don't play as a team, you'll get nothing.
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I could manage those three! "Out you go, do what you do, enjoy yourselves and win the game for me" Job done.

The challenge as a football manager is polishing a turd like Young and making him a decent player - which LVG seems to be starting to do
 
Loon said:
I still think he's a bit of an Essex wideboy, but I seriously cannot blame Woodward for not getting an elite player. I genuinely think the players we really want aren't interested in a move to United.
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But isn't that the essence of his job? To convince these elite players of the 'project' at United and assurances regarding the future.
 
Cassidy said:
The only issue I really have with Woodward this summer is his big mouth.
Things like watch this space, and saying we can break the transfer record etc, (which he also said last summer) are a little unwise if you are not going to back up the statement.

Time will tell, but I do think he needs to learn to choose his words on transfers a little more carefully
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I agree with this bit but even when Gill was around, he would constantly come up with similar statements like "we are looking at a few players", "money is available", "We will be bringing in players if SAF wants to", etc.. To be honest, Woodward has actually made 4 profile signings in 3 transfer windows and we still have more than 15 days to go.
 
Fooled once again lads, this window is no different to the last. Well end up with another useless player for our team in Blind and a sub par squad player in Rojo.

Thanks United for slapping your fans in the face once again with grand promises and smug arrogance in the window. Id say we can consider this window a failure unless minimum two, hopefully 3 big sigings come in by Friday. Which barring a miracle is not going to happen.

We cant be scrambling for deals once the season has started. Well be signing players that will take a couple of weeks to come in get settled and start training, then another month or two until they start playing well.
 
SolidState said:
Fooled once again lads, this window is no different to the last. Well end up with another useless player for our team in Blind and a sub par squad player in Rojo.

Thanks United for slapping your fans in the face once again with grand promises and smug arrogance in the window. Id say we can consider this window a failure unless minimum two, hopefully 3 big sigings come in by Friday. Which barring a miracle is not going to happen.

We cant be scrambling for deals once the season has started. Well be signing players that will take a couple of weeks to come in get settled and start training, then another month or two until they start playing well.
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Not another transfer window title lost, never mind there's always next summer in the meantime you'll just have to put up with a season of pesky football till Transfer Window season 2015/16 kicks off.
 
SolidState said:
Fooled once again lads, this window is no different to the last. Well end up with another useless player for our team in Blind and a sub par squad player in Rojo.

Thanks United for slapping your fans in the face once again with grand promises and smug arrogance in the window. Id say we can consider this window a failure unless minimum two, hopefully 3 big sigings come in by Friday. Which barring a miracle is not going to happen.

We cant be scrambling for deals once the season has started. Well be signing players that will take a couple of weeks to come in get settled and start training, then another month or two until they start playing well.
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So signing a player today as opposed to say next Tuesday disrupts them for months afterwards? This is absolute bollox, players get signed as late as deadline day all the time and settle in straight away. He have nice fixtures to start the season and which we should be winning handily without anyone new.

Obviously in an ideal world our business would be done ages ago but there are obvious reasons why this didn't happen, and the manager has clearly explained himself too. The importance of getting business done early is being vastly overstated by our more hysterical supporters, the same ones who'd be in ecstasy if we got Vidal on deadline day.
 
We can't afford to miss out on the Champions League again. Chelsea, City, Arsenal and Liverpool all look very strong this season, which one of those would miss out for us to get in? Chelsea and City will definitely be top four, and Arsenal always make it no matter what. You would have to say Liverpool, but even without Suarez they're a very good side. Hopefully their European commitments will cause them problems.

I feel we desperately need additions to the squad. January is a hard time to buy so if we don't sort it this window it might be next summer before we can really bring in the players we need.
 
kiristao said:
I dont understand why people are blaming Woodward to much. Yes, he could have done better (and going all public with our transfer plans last season was not the smartest move) but he has done well since January.
People make it seem like when SAF & Kenyon/Gill were around, we would get pretty much whoever we wanted at a snap of a finger. IIRC, Rooney, Berbatov, Tevez & to an extent RVP all were drawn out down to the wire signings. It has been the case pretty much everytime we have tried to sign a high profile player.
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That's rather because we haven't learned a single thing on how our rivals, foreign and domestic, do their job to get the targets they want signed quickly, whether it is through more money or using other ploys (or dirty tactics). For all the money this club generates annually, it is not too asked to find more ways to be aggressive and ruthless instead of giving that stupid impression that we always want to play as the good/candid guys.
 
stage 1 We sign Shaw and Herrera

Stage 2 Ed says watch this space - we signed huge sponsorship deals

Stage 3 Season tickets sell out very quickly

Stage 4 Muppet unrest as the space remains watched

Stage 5 A token squad signing of a versatile player for about 8 million

Glazernomics 101
 
SolidState said:
Fooled once again lads, this window is no different to the last. Well end up with another useless player for our team in Blind and a sub par squad player in Rojo.

Thanks United for slapping your fans in the face once again with grand promises and smug arrogance in the window. Id say we can consider this window a failure unless minimum two, hopefully 3 big sigings come in by Friday. Which barring a miracle is not going to happen.

We cant be scrambling for deals once the season has started. Well be signing players that will take a couple of weeks to come in get settled and start training, then another month or two until they start playing well.
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What?! I'm as frustrated as anyone but I am refraining from criticism until the end of the window. We should have improved the squad more by now but there is still time and I can't accept that LvG will be happy without at least 2 more players by the end of August.

I think we are getting to the stage where Woody has to put up or shut up.
 
Shark said:
Same here, thought we'd mean business because of the players that have left the club and those that obviously needed to go. All of the talk from Mata and Rooney being promised signings also got me excited. There's still time, but the season kicks off this weekend and you'd think we would have been fully prepared this time around.
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I really thought Woodward would have learned his lesson, he started well bringing in Shaw and Herrera early then goes and does that interview thinking it was only the beginning turns out it was all scripted and here we are less than a week away from the new season with holes still in our midfield and defense.
 
buckooo1978 said:
stage 1 We sign Shaw and Herrera

Stage 2 Ed says watch this space - we signed huge sponsorship deals

Stage 3 Season tickets sell out very quickly

Stage 4 Muppet unrest as the space remains watched

Stage 5 A token squad signing of a versatile player for about 8 million

Glazernomics 101
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Pretty sure Season tickets sold out before stage 2.
 
buckooo1978 said:
stage 1 We sign Shaw and Herrera

Stage 2 Ed says watch this space - we signed huge sponsorship deals

Stage 3 Season tickets sell out very quickly

Stage 4 Muppet unrest as the space remains watched

Stage 5 A token squad signing of a versatile player for about 8 million

Glazernomics 101
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It works well for them every season doesn't it? Raise expectations to sell season tickets and then underwhelm on transfers. The fans are just suckers for this.
 
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