You have spent £140m - or £130m net - on additions to the squad that won the title at the end of the season before last. How much more do you want the club to spend? The problem lies not in tight purse strings, but in stupid transfer dealings.
Manchester United transfer news and rumours for summer 2014
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Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) discuss United's fantastic win away against Athletic Club in the semi-final of the Europa League.
They also pick out the positives of United's 4-3 loss away at Brentford, and Nik reviews a day out at Old Trafford watching Manchester United Women qualify for the Champions League.
You have spent £140m - or £130m net - on additions to the squad that won the title at the end of the season before last. How much more do you want the club to spend? The problem lies not in tight purse strings, but in stupid transfer dealings.
Agreeed, if only we could spend wisely like Spurs then we'd be as good as Spurs and could match their trophy haul in the last decade.
Spurs fan talking about stupid trasnfer dealings. Couldn't make it up.
Rumours rumbling along that there will be 3 times as much staff at Carrington on Friday, wouldnt be surprised if it was for the pre-match conference though.
You've not seen Glaston in full strength yet.
Seeing as how we've started the last few seasons with a threadbare defence & playing midfielders at the back, has that now become the fabled "Man Utd way"?!
Dragging Spurs into the equation is irrelevant and nothing more than an attempt to distract attention from the point I made (in any case, Spurs have never remotely spent anything like £130m net over a period of 15 months - I doubt if we have even over a period of 15 years - and nor could we afford to do so).
So I repeat, those United fans complaining about your lack of spend ought to contemplate this figure: £130m net.
We had smug Scot managing us last season and he threw £28m down the drain. The other £100million were well spent IMO - Mata is top notch, Herrera will be a good addition and Shaw while overpriced should also contribute positively and will likely hold his place in the first team for more than a decade. We probably need £100m more to spend before we match the likes of Bayern, Real Madrid and Barcelona though.
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You are forgetting two things, first the unwillingness of a club to sell his player. And secondly the fact that Van Gaal wants specialists which means that the pool of players we can be interested in is much smaller.
We are in a "Barcelona situation" only 4 or 5 player can interest us, if you want a left footed cb who is good on the ball there is Vermaelen, Laporte and Inigo Martinez, and not much more, the two spanish boys cost 35m, that's a lot of money and almost 20m more than Vermaelen.
For the midfield some players didn't want to come (Kroos and Rakitic), the others their clubs don't want to loose them. For Vidal we need to wait for medical and financial reasons.
For the Winger/Wingback, Van Gaal seems to want a polyvalent player, a specialist of the wing not an inside forward or someting like that, so no Depay, Pedro, Sanchez, etc... But players like Cuadrado or Di Maria.
And all that according to Van Gaal schedule, can only happen after he assessed the team which include knowing Januzaj and Fellaini. What is happening right know was always going to happen under Van Gaal because that's how he works.
You are forgetting two things, first the unwillingness of a club to sell his player. And secondly the fact that Van Gaal wants specialists which means that the pool of players we can be interested in is much smaller.
We are in a "Barcelona situation" only 4 or 5 player can interest us, if you want a left footed cb who is good on the ball there is Vermaelen, Laporte and Inigo Martinez, and not much more, the two spanish boys cost 35m, that's a lot of money and almost 20m more than Vermaelen.
For the midfield some players didn't want to come (Kroos and Rakitic), the others their clubs don't want to loose them. For Vidal we need to wait for medical and financial reasons.
For the Winger/Wingback, Van Gaal seems to want a polyvalent player, a specialist of the wing not an inside forward or someting like that, so no Depay, Pedro, Sanchez, etc... But players like Cuadrado or Di Maria.
And all that according to Van Gaal schedule, can only happen after he assessed the team which include knowing Januzaj and Fellaini. What is happening right know was always going to happen under Van Gaal because that's how he works.
Bingo.
@JPRouve "polyvalent?" Steady on mate, this is the transfer forum. 
Sociedad would let Martinez go way below €35m.
Probably, but it depends on their on capacity to replace him effectively, if they can't they will ask for his clause. And he is not that good for the moment.
If Badsdtuber wasn't injury prone he could have been an option but there will be no chance to take him away from Munich.
Every day for the last 2 months I have been reading "United lining up 40/50 Million bid" for this player or that. Maybe Woodward is counting out the notes 1 by 1. Or the newspapers are just full of bullshit as they are 99% of the time. Maybe Ed is still counting and in the last minute of the deadline he will be at 39 million 999 thousand and 999. Oops too late Ed time up.
Well we are into the last 3 weeks of the transfer window and Woodward will probably take another 18 days to rest before making a transfer offense in the last 3 days - at that point Sociedad would no doubt ask for full price because they wouldn't be able to replace him.
people should show a bit more patience
You're right that's why i think he will cost a lot but in the mean time they are a little club they can replace him with a cheap player. They wanted Hector Moreno at some point (who is left footed).
Any MORE signings. I think they might have it right this time. Just not sure whether LVG has no one on his list or woodie can't get the deals done or whether our transfer budget has been spent
After everything that has been said by both manager and Woodward, I find that very hard to believe.
I think it's the silence that is frustrating people, perhaps they would prefer if we played everything out in public, like last season, and looked like a bunch of dithering idiots?
Seems to be our prime targets:
Cuadrado
Di Maria
Vidal
Blind
Reckon we will end up with Blind & Cuadrado
Though could sign them all and have a team of
..............................RVP/Rooney..............
.............................Mata/Rooney.......
...Shaw......Di Maria.....Vidal........Herrera......Cuadrado......
................Blind.......Evans......Smalling/Jones
..................................De Gea................
Cuadrado
Di Maria
Vidal
Blind
Reckon we will end up with Blind & Cuadrado
Though could sign them all and have a team of
..............................RVP/Rooney..............
.............................Mata/Rooney.......
...Shaw......Di Maria.....Vidal........Herrera......Cuadrado......
................Blind.......Evans......Smalling/Jones
..................................De Gea................
Have a feeling they are right.
Again one of those my mate knows someone who knows someone etc posts. This doesn't actually mean anything but potentially interesting
A friend from Uni currently works at a national newspaper
United were going to move the usual Friday press conference to OT, they (these editors and journalists) were told it was for a big announcement. However, this announcement has been put on hold to a now unconfirmed date.
Again, I wouldn't read too much into that but perhaps an indication that a target transfer has been delayed.
A friend from Uni currently works at a national newspaper
United were going to move the usual Friday press conference to OT, they (these editors and journalists) were told it was for a big announcement. However, this announcement has been put on hold to a now unconfirmed date.
Again, I wouldn't read too much into that but perhaps an indication that a target transfer has been delayed.
Woody working on another big commercial partnership!??
£130m net isn't exactly a lot? We will get well over half that figure each season just for having Adidas make our shirts. You are looking at maybe 3 first team player's or 2 World Class player's. For example Mangala has apparently just signed for City in a deal worth around £42m, as a promising young defender who hasn't played in a competitive League.
If United qualify for the Champions League next season we will make more than that yearly net profit, so in theory could spend £130m net every 15 months.
The complaint about the lack of spend dates back the last 6 years (not 15 months), whereby our net spend could comfortably be at least £50m per season, but is actually still only around £25m. Obviously we under-spent because Fergie's genius meant we did not need to (he spent under £10m net per season over his last 4 season and only £13m per season net over his last 8). Now that we do need to spend some money however all that money saved should be available.
We're £100m from Barca and Real? They each have single players worth more than that sum.
Real's front three cost £2 30m and Barca's is arguably worth more.
Your obsession with high profile transfers is frankly a bit disturbing. Change name to KingMoaner. You literally spend all season and offseason complaining that we don't spend enough.
Bayern don't have £80m players and they are as good as both Spanish giants.
Add a good center half and a top class midfielder plus an impact players like Sanchez and we are up there.
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You can have all the superstars you like, all the money you like, but if Real Madrid's gelacticos don't play as a team, they'll win nothing.
They just won Champions League. 3 months ago.
Yea they won the champions league, we finished 7th. So they are doing something right
I'm speaking more in terms of now, with James, Ronaldo, Bale, if they don't play as a team, they'll win nothing. To be fair, they played well as a team last season. My point is, you can have all the superstars you want, but if don't play as a team, you'll get nothing.
The problem is? we have not signed the players needed to cover the amount of players united have lost. I do not care if ferdinand vidic evra butner were not either the players they once were, or in butners case not good enough. But to lose that many defenders without replacing those numbers, is asking for trouble especially with jones smalling and evans injury record. United are playing 3 at the back, united are going to be playing all 3 of their major cards in defence, heck all of shaw jones smalling and evans will be starting allot of games, that is practically all of united's first team options. beyond jones smalling evans shaw, is blackett keane young valencia rafeal, poor poor options. I do not want Van Gaal trying to get the best out of what he has got, this is MUFC, not Newcastle united, he is at perhaps at the biggest club in the world, and the biggest club should have a squad with the man power needed to challenge for a PL title. If no more signings are made, we will once again be severely under equipped to make a top 4, let alone make a PL challenge, not when you see the competition of chelsea man city and arsenal. The biggest club in the world should be acting like the biggest club in the world in the transfer market. It seems to me MUFC signing players, is like a under confident guy going to a club and not having a clue how to pull a girl, its like physiques to a normal man down the street in the way united have tried to sign players since last summer.
Oh, I do agree with the general notion that we have not addressed our main issues. Moreover I don't expect much activity until the end of window aside from maybe 1-2 smaller transfers.
I don't agree that we need £70m players to compete or to simply appease the inner muppet in KingMinger. Three £30m signings would absolutely make us a top European force again if made wisely.
And you still need quality players to pull it off, Real do things to the extreme. United are an extreme case in the other extreme, they get the best out of allot of average players especially in CM/wide options, tick off the names, anderson fletcher cleverley fellaini valencia nani young, passengers the club has continued to carry in hope united could still make a top 4, and they did do it under fergie. Look at the Bayern game away under Moyes, he picked a CM partnership carrick and fletcher, the same partnership that started at watford in august 2006, and the year is 2014. So it puts into perspective how stagnated the squad had become. Only now have we signed a top class CM in herrera
I do agree with you that united really have stagnated. SAF should have changed things up in 2009 after Rome and didn't.
I am not obsessed with 70 million pound players, the club can barley realise spending big in general let alone 70 million pound players, which are out of the clubs league, it never helps Woodward saying we can spend that money. Under the fergie years 2009 2012 they thought spending 25 million on one player was a high price until RVP came along.
My biggest problem with the club, is? keeping hold of passengers for far too long, anderson cleverley valencia nani young at times over stayed their welcome, and lets top it off and buy fellaini for another waisted 27 million. I am still not happy VG is trying to convert wingers into wingbacks, it seems like a sign that we are finding it so hard to sign any player, we are changing players positions to fill in gaping holes in the squad. If we do not sign a defender or 2, or a CM, I can see VG playing academy players, and guys like fletcher fellaini and carrick in defence, to fill in for the lack of options the squad currently has at the back, and we cannot buy anyone. Funny thing is, when guys like strootman were on the market, we still did not buy him, yea lets buy fellaini instead and found our selves clueless getting herrera sorted who was available all summer long last year, yea lets buy him on the last day, it drives me mad on how the club are doing things when chances are served on a plate for them
When fans say we are not like other clubs, they make a great point. We are the only club that went 7 years without a CM signing, ended up facing barca with carrick and giggs in CM against thiago xavi iniesta and messi, but hey we still did not sign a CM after the beating we took at wembley in 2011. The only club that lost ronaldo and tevez, and did not add more cover for rooney upfront. And we maybe the only club since real madrid in 2003, going into a new season with 5 first choice defenders to choose from, 4 of them are injury prone and hoping academy players can walk into the team and add cover for our defenders. So fans are right, MUFC are not like anyone else.
Nailed it. My sentiments exactly. We never really replaced Scholes for a long time, I know its hard, but other players were no where close enough and we kept relying on him till his legs lasted. We are doing the same now with Carrick, rather than gradually phasing him out.