Manchester United transfer news and rumours for summer 2014

Plugsy said:
Right so you're not arguing against Cavani just that Cavani "isn't the right forward for us"

So basically you wanted Moyes sacked before some other people therefore wish to treat van Gaal like a moron as if he doesn't know what he's doing?
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No, am saying that using Van Gaal isnt a moron is a very lazy argument to defend the potential signing of cavani and a flawed one as well.

Or see berbatov and his defenders who make the same argument if you really want it to be about a striker and a genious manager.
 
MJJ said:
No, am saying that using Van Gaal isnt a moron is a very lazy argument to defend the potential signing of cavani and a flawed one as well.

Or see berbatov and his defenders who make the same argument if you really want it to be about a striker and a genious manager.
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It isn't a lazy argument to wish to give the manager a chance to make changes to the squad he wants to make and judge them by the results he gets from them. Instead we all have to have this default position of a superiority complex where we pontificate over seemingly every fecker we're ever linked to with the three immortal words of "do not want".

It's fine to not see how X will fit in or say "I'm not sure how Y will work" but it seems to go beyond that to a point where the manager isn't even afforded the chance to implement his vision for the team and that if any suggestion contravenes the impeccable logic of Sturdy_Gurdy86 on a message board then he (the coach) is to be treated with contempt, seemingly on the basis that Moyes was a bit shit and "look at Berbatov".

If Cavani does come I don't know how it'll work out but I'm at least offering the benefit of the doubt to the manager who probably knows what position he plays in and is aware of how he wants to fit him in to the whatever system he has in mind.
 
Plugsy said:
It isn't a lazy argument to wish to give the manager a chance to make changes to the squad he wants to make and judge them by the results he gets from them. Instead we all have to have this default position of a superiority complex where we pontificate over seemingly every fecker we're ever linked to with the three immortal words of "do not want".

It's fine to not see how X will fit in or say "I'm not sure how Y will work" but it seems to go beyond that to a point where the manager isn't even afforded the chance to implement his vision for the team and that if any suggestion contravenes the impeccable logic of Sturdy_Gurdy86 on a message board then he (the coach) is to be treated with contempt, seemingly on the basis that Moyes was a bit shit and "look at Berbatov".

If Cavani does come I don't know how it'll work out but I'm at least offering the benefit of the doubt to the manager who probably knows what position he plays in and is aware of how he wants to fit him in to the whatever system he has in mind.
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People are posting why it wont fit due to us having two world class strikers already and trouble fittig them. Your response is to ignore the reasons behind the do not want and throw a tantrum. Your whole argument is that Van Gaal isnt stupid and we should trust him, the argument is flawed as managers have made mistakes before and being defended by those same words.
 
Plugsy said:
It isn't a lazy argument to wish to give the manager a chance to make changes to the squad he wants to make and judge them by the results he gets from them. Instead we all have to have this default position of a superiority complex where we pontificate over seemingly every fecker we're ever linked to with the three immortal words of "do not want".

It's fine to not see how X will fit in or say "I'm not sure how Y will work" but it seems to go beyond that to a point where the manager isn't even afforded the chance to implement his vision for the team and that if any suggestion contravenes the impeccable logic of Sturdy_Gurdy86 on a message board then he (the coach) is to be treated with contempt, seemingly on the basis that Moyes was a bit shit and "look at Berbatov".

If Cavani does come I don't know how it'll work out but I'm at least offering the benefit of the doubt to the manager who probably knows what position he plays in and is aware of how he wants to fit him in to the whatever system he has in mind.
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You are putting forward a very strange argument. The chances of Van Gaal actually wanting Cavani are incredibly small exactly because he will not be a priority due to his position. If he is a priority (a huge if) you are then saying trust that he'll be the right signing. It's like me saying trust that Darren Bent would be the right signing if LVG made him a priority. It's a bizarre statement for several reasons, not least that the chance of him being a priority would be so small as to make the statement pointless.

Also not every signing made by quality managers is the right signing. Sometimes 90% of fans can see something that is a complete blind spot to an experienced manager. See Young and Fellaini as recent examples.
 
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Plugsy said:
No it has everything to do with fans presuming van Gaal is a complete moron and will pitch up at United after sanctioning signings and say to Rooney and Cavani "Shit, you're both forwards too?"

Why do people have so little faith in the man already that they think he's unaware as to who plays where? IF we are interested in Cavani can we at least afford the new guy the honeymoon benefit of assuming he at least knows what the feck he is doing?
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This is a football forum. A place where people can share their opinions on football. If people think signing Cavani would be a mistake they should be able to say so without people hysterically accusing the of calling the new manager a moron.
 
What does priority have to do with anything?

It's as if people have invented this "one only" transfer policy in their heads. Nowhere has it ever been suggested that we would be limited or limiting the number of players we bring in and yet as soon as Cavani is mentioned the mindset is as if we'd be using our entire ration book to sign him. People seem to invent this 'either/or' completely imaginary scenario where it's Cavani "or" we strengthen midfield. Again, a complete invention.

Besides both Rooney and Cavani are fairly positionally versatile up front. We managed in the past to accommodate three 'forward' players in a system where we effectively play 2 up front, now why when most agree 4-3-3 is to be the preferred formula, is the addition of a third forward player treated as if it's trying to dive 11 equally but 8.6?
 
Still banging on about Cavani and your perception that some posters believe we can't sign a midfielder if we get him I see. I've seen you state that about 10 times yet I haven't seen one poster actually say it.

I'm sure the majority of posters don't want Cavani because we already have two great strikers and are struggling to fit them in.

People don't think 4-3-3 with RVP/Rooney/Cavani would work well. Probably because one of them isn't good out wide, one of them is average out wide, and two of them don't want to play out wide.
 
Plugsy said:
What does priority have to do with anything?

It's as if people have invented this "one only" transfer policy in their heads. Nowhere has it ever been suggested that we would be limited or limiting the number of players we bring in and yet as soon as Cavani is mentioned the mindset is as if we'd be using our entire ration book to sign him. People seem to invent this 'either/or' completely imaginary scenario where it's Cavani "or" we strengthen midfield. Again, a complete invention.

Besides both Rooney and Cavani are fairly positionally versatile up front. We managed in the past to accommodate three 'forward' players in a system where we effectively play 2 up front, now why when most agree 4-3-3 is to be the preferred formula, is the addition of a third forward player treated as if it's trying to dive 11 equally but 8.6?
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Presumably because we firstly have a wage budget, secondly have a transfer budget, thirdly have a limited squad size and finally a limited preferred XI. Signing player's for the first team by definition pushes other player's out of the first XI and others out of the squad. From what we know about Cavani he has a huge preference for playing as a centre forward, meaning that in most standard formations he pushes out either RVP or Rooney. Even if he were happy to play the role he is (by most accounts) currently unhappy with he would be pushing out of the first XI one of Mata, Rooney, RVP and probably Januzaj. Likewise this signing would be pushing good player's out of the door for little benefit. The likes of Welbeck/Januzaj/Hernandez/ Kagawa/Nani/Valencia would be even further down the pecking order and therefore likely to leave.

Signing Cavani would relegate very good player's to the bench and good player's to the transfer list, whilst in the process costing us a large chunk of our yearly profits and yearly wage inertia. That is why it isn't an intelligent decision and that is why most people agree that he won't be in Van Gaal's plans. Would LVG be a moron if he wanted Cavani at all costs? Of course not as he's a great player. Would it be a huge and rather unnecessary gamble? Absolutely.
 
Plugsy is being unecessarily arsey than arsey.
It is ridiculous to even imply that someone is not entitled to have an opinion on things on the sole basis that it implies the manager is stupid.

What would you say if you heard we wanted to sign Courtois for £30m? Managers get things wrong, and I imagine players are often signed for a range of reasons, not always footballing ones. If you have been watching football for long enough, you are entitled to form your own opinion as to whether or not your team needs a new striker.
 
So who are we predicting to be most linked with after tonights game, Memphis, Sanchez or Vidal?
 
soap said:
I saw Ancelotti say pretty unequivocally after the CL final that he wanted Di Maria to stay. They'd be mad to sell him, he's a great player, still young and has just had his best ever season.
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If Perez wants to sell him, Ancelotti's word doesn't really matter.

I agree with you though. His season overall and the performance in the CL final have been immense. I don't understand how his future can be in doubt. I really hope we sign him.
 
 
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Translation from that Radio Station, Have no confirmation from any other source if true or not. Time will tell.
Translation :"Ander Herrera will play for Manchester United next season as Cadena SER has advanced in 'The Rail'. The set of Van Gaal pay the termination clause of the contract Herrera, who is 36 million euros until 30 June. From July this amount would increase to 40 million, so the British run the clause set before that date.The signing of midfielder is one of the great aspirations that had the Old Trafford last season, but eventually opted for the Belgian Fellaini player that has not convinced this season.Ander Herrera, born in Bilbao in 1989 (24 years) has played the last three seasons at Athletic Club has become one of the keys to success of the Basque side, who finished fourth this season and will play the previous Champions, a competition that no played in his new team as United is not qualified for any European competition.In the last campaign Ander Herrera played 33 matches with Athletic, giving five assists and scoring five goals, scoring the best mark of his career as a professional."
 
CB: ?
LB: Shaw hopefully done soon after WC?
CDM: ?
CM: Herrera done!
winger: ?

1/5 done if true, still a lot to do for United. Come on Louis and Eddy, get us Garay, Carvalho and Depay!
 
Herrera
Shaw
Mangala
A winger?

That is a good summer and we can rebuild more next summer when we get back into the Champions League.
 
I wonder why Sakho is prefered to Mangala for France and Mangala still has a £40m price tag?
 
 
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Ogden reckons we're in for four:

Herrera, Shaw, an unnamed DM and Hummels
 
Plugsy said:
Ogden reckons we're in for four:

Herrera, Shaw, an unnamed DM and Hummels
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Add Depay or James Rodriguez and it's perfect. ( I'm becoming a Muppet for Rodriguez for him after this world cup, but it's highly questionable do we need him, considering players that we already have... but I can muppet a bit.. )
 
Telcontar said:
Add Depay or James Rodriguez and it's perfect. ( I'm becoming a Muppet for Rodriguez for him after this world cup, but it's highly questionable do we need him, considering players that we already have... but I can muppet a bit.. )
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J Rodriguez was one of our main target few years ago but Fergie thought his pricetag was too high. How much Monaco paid for him ? 45m euro? I don't think they would sell any less than that number, especially after his WC performance. The ship has sailed.

William Cavalho is probably our target DM. I don't think Vidal'll join us, yes United is an option but many clubs are after him.
 
fallengt said:
J Rodriguez was one of our main target few years ago but Fergie thought his pricetag was too high. How much Monaco paid for him ? 45m euro? I don't think they would sell any less than that number, especially after his WC performance. The ship has sailed.

William Cavalho is probably our target DM. I don't think Vidal'll join us, yes United is an option but many clubs are after him.
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That was then.. This is now, if he wanted to opt out a similar fee would be required and i can see clubs paying it. If anything his perfect for Woodwards marquee signing. Give them Nani as a token guesture.
 
Plugsy said:
Ogden reckons we're in for four:
Herrera, Shaw, an unnamed DM and Hummels
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That's exactly what I was thinking. One all-round CM, one DM (no idea who though), Shaw and Hummels. The latter will be very hard to get but I think it’s worth a try. With Evans-Hummels we would have the best ball-playing centreback pairing in EPL by some distance.
 
Yeah, but then he was 19-20 and unproven, now he is 22, still plenty of time to develop even more, and yet played enough games against top clubs that you can say with a fair amount of certainty that he will fulfill his potential, so €45m+ does seem like a good buy. Plus had a good World Cup..

As I said the only problem I see is that Mata, Kagawa, Rooney play in the same position. But I guess if we do go on him we will sell at least one, maybe two of them...
 
1. CB: I hope we are not wasting our time all summer with Hummels, I can't see him leave! I still hope its going to be Garay!

2. DM: Does the arrival of Herrera make Strootman unlikely? The DM I would like to join us is William Carvalho.

a winger like Depay would be a Bonus
 
On a different note, I got the impression through our ultra-reliable media that our manager wanted all the deals done by the time all the players return for pre-season. Doesn't that start in a week or so?
 
032Devil said:
On a different note, I got the impression through our ultra-reliable media that our manager wanted all the deals done by the time all the players return for pre-season. Doesn't that start in a week or so?
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Half our squad and manager will be missing anyway.
 
Mark Ogden:
Van Gaal is also keen to sign Germany defender Mats Hummels, with the Holland coach also understood to be considering the possibility of moves for members of his Dutch squad, including Ajax midfielder Daley Blind and Nigel de Jong, AC Milan’s former Manchester City midfielder.
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The Telegraph

He also says we want at least four players and that "signing of a defensive midfielder regarded as a priority."
 
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