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That will "rock" Rodgers.
United boosted by Valencia new deal "its like having a new signing"
The words no united fan wanted to hear.
That will "rock" Rodgers.
Saw that article about how Barca want van Persie. First reaction was telling them to feck off, he's ours.
The transfer muppet award for 2014 goes to Wibble.
Also, what some people seem to forget is that there's more than just people at our club involved in any transfer. We can keep as tight lipped as we want but we have no control over players' agents, their families and friends and employees etc. of the selling club. If anything was really in the pipeline I'd expect something to leak out from somewhere.Why are those the only two possibilities of what's happening? What exactly would it look like if nothing was happening then?
I don't get this notion of celebrating the silence and implying it is some sort of evidence of activity. 'Great, I'm happy there is no news, that means nobody knows anything'. The media are supposed to report what is happening. If various media did not tell you that the Titanic had sunk, it's probably because it hadn't sunk!
I appreciate that sometimes they may be kept in the dark about things, all I'm saying is that unless you have your own source that has confirmed activity to you, then that is in no way a positive sign. I'm guessing the papers are not reporting we are about to sign Vidal because we are not about to sign Vidal. I would rather they were saying we were.
Also, what some people seem to forget is that there's more than just people at our club involved in any transfer. We can keep as tight lipped as we want but we have no control over players' agents, their families and friends and employees etc. of the selling club. If anything was really in the pipeline I'd expect something to leak out from somewhere.
At any rate, the first milestone is 1st July when the window opens (apart from domestic transfers that can be completed at any time after last season ended). If any deals are just awaiting signature we'll know a few days after that.
When's it alright to start panicking?
I was positive while Moyes was on holiday he carried out instructions to Woodward and was expecting signings to be announced once he took over boy was I wrong.If last summer is any guide, then at least not until the day after the transfer window closes. Until then it's all "why don't you just wait until the end of the window to see what business we've done?", "how do you know what's going on behind the scenes at United?", and finally "this squad won the league by 11 points!" - actually, forget that last one
If last summer is any guide, then at least not until the day after the transfer window closes. Until then it's all "why don't you just wait until the end of the window to see what business we've done?", "how do you know what's going on behind the scenes at United?", and finally "this squad won the league by 11 points!" - actually, forget that last one
June 1: "It's still only June."
July 1: "It's still only July."
August 1: "We still have a month."
September 1: "Holy crap."
Van Gaal is at the world cup, why would he be signing players? He hasn't even spent any time with the squad yet? Did we not all know that he was going to be getting late into the job and also that world cup years are a nightmare for signing players early? ye we did know
so if the players themselves are also at the world cup, would you not expect that to slow it down too? like whatever way people want to rationalize it and whatever assumptions people want to make, 2 months ago everyone said we were 'definitely' going to get signings wrapped up before the world cup - but it is harder than people think for all the reasons mentioned. Probably Van Gaal just wants to leave it until after so he can do his current jobby now Van Gaal must know exactly our weaknesses and strengths. A man of football like him, trust me, have done his homework early on after the first sign of interest from us.
now, are the club personnel in charge of signing new players, good enough to bring his targets... different shit. We'll see.
There was a post on here somewhere about LvG not allowing the Dutch players to negotiate moves during the WC. Hodgson also said this. Seeing as LvG has this rule for his Dutch players I'd have to think he doesn't expect us to sign anyone during the WC unless our target isn't at the WC.so if the players themselves are also at the world cup, would you not expect that to slow it down too? like whatever way people want to rationalize it and whatever assumptions people want to make, 2 months ago everyone said we were 'definitely' going to get signings wrapped up before the world cup - but it is harder than people think for all the reasons mentioned. Probably Van Gaal just wants to leave it until after so he can do his current job
But that's my whole point from the beginning onwards: World class players who have options to chose from - not comparably unproven talent. The competition among clubs for those world class players have become fiercer.
Though CL is certainly more attractive, City had at least some EL football to offer:
Carlos Teves in July 2009 is the only one from your list who came with no European football whatsoever, and I don't know what other options he had.
- Yaya Touré => joined in July 2010 => Europa League
- Robinho => joined in September 2008 => UEFA Cup
- David Silva => Europa League
Your idea that Silva and Toure joined City even in a small regard because of Europa League is as big, big stretch. Especially if you actually consider that all these people were playing in Champ League clubs. All of them. Even Silva at Valencia.But that's my whole point from the beginning onwards: World class players who have options to chose from - not comparably unproven talent. The competition among clubs for those world class players have become fiercer.
Though CL is certainly more attractive, City had at least some EL football to offer:
Carlos Teves in July 2009 is the only one from your list who came with no European football whatsoever, and I don't know what other options he had.
- Yaya Touré => joined in July 2010 => Europa League
- Robinho => joined in September 2008 => UEFA Cup
- David Silva => Europa League
You don't negotiate with players, you negotiate with their agent. The agent negotiates the best deal they can then puts it to the player. The only involvement the player has could literally be a 30 second phone call from the agent outlining the main points of the deal and asking for a yes or no.There was a post on here somewhere about LvG not allowing the Dutch players to negotiate moves during the WC. Hodgson also said this. Seeing as LvG has this rule for his Dutch players I'd have to think he doesn't expect us to sign anyone during the WC unless our target isn't at the WC.
A manager of Van Gaals pedigree won't need much time to assess our squad it has clear weakness which he'll he aiming to improve whether the deals get done is another question.
Moyes went with the nice guy approach and gave everyone a fresh start it was a mistake which we can't risk happening again. The squad needs some fresh blood even if it's only three players brought in as long as they go straight into the starting 11
He's already assessed the squad. First thing he said before he joined up with the Netherlands squad was that he's given us a list of people he wants in and out.A manager of Van Gaals pedigree won't need much time to assess our squad it has clear weakness which he'll he aiming to improve whether the deals get done is another question.
Moyes went with the nice guy approach and gave everyone a fresh start it was a mistake which we can't risk happening again. The squad needs some fresh blood even if it's only three players brought in as long as they go straight into the starting 11
He's already assessed the squad. First thing he said before he joined up with the Netherlands squad was that he's given us a list of people he wants in and out.
For a man that didn't talk a lot about us it was really difficult to find these quotes.Can you dig out that quote?
The aim is to bring them back to the No 1 position as soon as possible, because that’s where they were under Sir Alex Ferguson,” Van Gaal told Dutch television on Monday night.
United is the biggest club in the world. Marketing-wise, but also if you look at their budget. They have to finish high.”
“We don’t talk about money,” Van Gaal said. “We talk about the players I want. We’ll see if we can get them. We also talked about who can go.”
Cheers for that, never seen that before.For a man that didn't talk a lot about us it was really difficult to find these quotes.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...firmed-as-Manchester-Uniteds-new-manager.html
This was on the day he was announced as manager.
Giggs will no doubt have had an input too, after all he's played with them so he should know their strengths and weaknesses. All this, of course, in the context of the formation Van Gaal intends to adopt.For a man that didn't talk a lot about us it was really difficult to find these quotes.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...firmed-as-Manchester-Uniteds-new-manager.html
This was on the day he was announced as manager.
I agree, he's only interested in making us money rather than spending it. We will make a couple of signings but them being as big as expected? Not a chance. I still fully expect us to line up on September 1st with Carrick and Cleverley in midfield and Evra at LBI have no faith in Woodward since he said you do not need to win trophies to sell shirts. Still nothing happened to change my view on him.
I agree, he's only interested in making us money rather than spending it. We will make a couple of signings but them being as big as expected? Not a chance. I still fully expect us to line up on September 1st with Carrick and Cleverley in midfield and Evra at LB
When's it alright to start panicking?
When Vaan Gaal says he is more than happy with the current squad.
When Vaan Gaal says he is more than happy with the current squad.
He doesn't have the right balance of business and football. He's outstanding when it comes to business and securing sponsorships, United probably wouldn't be worth as much without his input towards the business side. However, when it comes to the football side of things his knowledge is limited which hasn't helped us at all in the past year or so. I'm hoping he proves me wrong on the football side and buys some amazing players this summer that fit perfectly into our team/squad but I just can't see it happening.I have no faith in Woodward since he said you do not need to win trophies to sell shirts. Still nothing happened to change my view on him.
When Vaan Gaal says he is more than happy with the current squad.
Not sure I'm liking the De Jong link