That six year contract gave him a false sense of security which ked him to focus more on the summer transfer window than the task at hand, which was to arrest the slide and meet the minimum performance standard . To me he appeared like he believed that ''long term nonsense'' rather than see it for what it was, a PR stunt .
Manchester United transfer news and rumours for summer 2014
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Van Gaal had lots of spare time before the season ended which he coukd have spent preparing our transfer targets, putting his backroom in place and assessing the squad . Didn't he like spend something like a month on holiday in Portugal ?
The Mirror
I know it's the Mirror but Steve Bates is reliable, there's a similar article in the Times.
Got me thinking about last summer.
What if Moyes and co. Had come out at the start of the summer saying they were happy with the squad and weren't going to sign anyone? We probably would have disagreed with his judgement but respected it nonetheless.
It was the fact that we publically went after - and failed to sign - several high profile players which led to the (rightful) perception that last summer was a complete disaster. It's the hope that kills you.
What if Moyes and co. Had come out at the start of the summer saying they were happy with the squad and weren't going to sign anyone? We probably would have disagreed with his judgement but respected it nonetheless.
It was the fact that we publically went after - and failed to sign - several high profile players which led to the (rightful) perception that last summer was a complete disaster. It's the hope that kills you.
Steve Bates reliable? He hasn't even got William Carvalho's club correct in that article, FFS!
He is. Every reporter makes mistakes. Ogden got the team we were playing against wrong just last season, Jamie Jackson got Kevin Strootman's injury wrong when he was reporting on interest in him last month. It doesn't make them unreliable.
If he's going to link us to a player, he should know who they play for. If he can't get such an obvious detail correct...
I'm afraid we're going to have to deal with a lot of media shit stirring until we sign someone. My reading of the situation is that a lot of journos are clueless. I refuse to believe the club will be anywhere near as impotent this summer.
All reporters are unreliable. They have a separate agenda and truth doesn't enter into except as an inconvenience.
We'll have a better clue by July.
Moyes is stupid, as in exceptionally quite stupid, but not that stupid. He knew he was a dead man walking. He must have.
Guys, you have to remember that as fans we have no influence on transfers. We are mere witneseses. Dont get upset, nervous becacuse nothing depends on you. Stay calm and wait.
Theres no point in wanting Woodwards head right now. If he fecks up another window the Glazers will take care of him.
I guess im the ulimate anit transfer muppet.
Theres no point in wanting Woodwards head right now. If he fecks up another window the Glazers will take care of him.
I guess im the ulimate anit transfer muppet.
Media crap tbh. Its the bloody World cup, is there a worse time to negotiate for players, not to mention our manager is there. Can you imagine the scenario if LVG fancied say to sign Blind. What does he do, tap players up in his squad? Signing players is completely unworkable during the World cup, and any early exit from it, the media would be suggesting he was more interested in signing players than managing the national team.
Furthermore, how would the teams or the media for example respond if players are negotiating deals during the World cup? What would happen say if utd released that Rooney has agreed his new 350k a week contract during the world cup?
I believe 75% of the deals are done, just we are back to the good old days (as frustrating as it may be) when we release it when the inks actually dry and not before. Not going to know this until the end of the World Cup for the players of their respective countries.
Its all about timing with transfers..........
Furthermore, how would the teams or the media for example respond if players are negotiating deals during the World cup? What would happen say if utd released that Rooney has agreed his new 350k a week contract during the world cup?
I believe 75% of the deals are done, just we are back to the good old days (as frustrating as it may be) when we release it when the inks actually dry and not before. Not going to know this until the end of the World Cup for the players of their respective countries.
Its all about timing with transfers..........
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I think he lost it completely when he didn't look for short term solutions to midfield and leftback in January when the situation was still retrievable . The decision to postpone that to summer told me he was too secure, perhaps he overestimated Fergie's influence or he genuinely believed that he was safe . There is no way he would have gone ito the second half with that midfield and Evra shitting the plate if he knew that his job was on the line !
Why would the club insert performance clauses if they weren't going to use it? He would have known that if he didn't make top 4, the club could sack him relatively cheaply. He would also have been told what the minimum expectations were. In last year's financial report, the projected revenue for this year was based on a 3rd place finish in the PL, which tells you what the club expected him to achieve at worst.
He may have overestimated Ferguson's influence though.
I think that the united hierarchy learnt a lot last season. I still remember that when Moyes was announced, one of things Sir Bobby said was "stability breeds success", now I'd say it's the other way around; success brings you the stability required to keep your job. Sorry if I've gone off topic.
Reported in the Times today.
Would it be such a bad thing if we didn't sign Shaw? We could probably find some equally talented without needing to shell out a 30M fee and 100k a week wages.
If it's true Liverpool's interest in Moreno has stalled we should jump at the chance and with De Gea and Mata we have some leverage to help him settle.
If it's true Liverpool's interest in Moreno has stalled we should jump at the chance and with De Gea and Mata we have some leverage to help him settle.
So Van Gaal is now worried aout Woodward, this is classic, do you think the Dippers are having a laugh at this one. I challenge the Glazers to find themselves someone qualified to do whatever the feck Woodward is not doing.
Woodward is an amateur. We simply have to get someone in who knows what he's doing, we can't afford another bad summer.
I don't believe this VG not happy with Woodward reports. The same media outlets reported that VG ended our interest in kroos/fabregas - apparently VG wanted Muller from Bayern, he signed a new contract! Another VG target Strootman is injured. I don't see what's woodward done wrong!?
You would have thought that Woodward would have learned his lesson from last summer, we really can't dither around this summer.
The English press know absolutely nothing as of now. Notice the reliable journalists have gone quiet.
You want to believe, that's fine. I don't trust this ownership and this dithering around seems to be noticable to many. Don't think for a second that even players don't notice the indecsion at Utd these days.
I have absolutely no confidence Woodward will deliver this summer.
I know the WC is on etc but I still think we're going to be extremely disappointed this summer, again.
I know the WC is on etc but I still think we're going to be extremely disappointed this summer, again.
We'll bring in Andy Carrol for 37m.
I am completely relaxed tbh. We have already made our most important signing of the season in LvG. I am sure we will sign 2-3 players, not necessarily big names, but if LvG wants some "no names" then they are more than welcome as far as I am concerned.
Do you know what he is doing (or not) and how he is doing it? I don't understand people calling professionals "amateur" from their armchairs when they don't know the first thing which goes in these dealings.
Not sure if this has been mentioned but according to Steve bates we aren't close to signing anyone and the Glazers are getting nervous with the lack of activity.
Looking for the source.
Looking for the source.
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I have a feeling we wont be announcing signings until Hollands foray in the WC is finished.
Id say Van Gaal wants to be there when they are signed.
I would speculate we have deals lined up, but they are held back because van gaal is still in charge of Holland
Id say Van Gaal wants to be there when they are signed.
I would speculate we have deals lined up, but they are held back because van gaal is still in charge of Holland
No offense but unless you are the one with inside info you also could be wrong about this. I think a lot of the apprehension for the summer and ridicule of EW is based upon his track record since the 2013 season ended, and his performance has not inspired confidence then, has it?
That guy @Malachians, who I'm not a big fan of at all, is the one that has said this on his twitter page.
Yet unless I'm missing something, in Bates' article posted on this thread, it doesn't say that. Simply that the fans are getting nervous no deals have been done yet and that van Gaal would like players in before the pre-season tour.
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What is it that I could be wrong about? I am not the one questioning his "professionalism" on this forum or trying to reinforce some sentiment that he is great at what he does. I am merely pointing out that without knowing the intricacies of working at a club and trying to buy players, it's silly to say that he is amateur.
Now that the World Cup has started a number of days, I guess the nonsense rumours regarding our transfers has died down?
Yeah I saw and was looking for the source couldn't see nothing on Bates' twitter or anything.
We need more of these kinds of posts.
He may be in over his head, he may be in waaay over his head. Too soon to pass judgement but as I said, he doesn't exactly inspire confidence.
Perhaps you didn't say it but to assume he is doing well would also be a leap to a conclusion.
As for these types of speculation that's just the nature of chatrooms, I wouldn't get too worked up over it.
I do hope he gets the job done, but I would suspect he needs to have a good window this summer or the natives will be restless.
Have a good day.
I agree that people may call him not good enough for the job but to call him amateur is silly. Was Moyes out of his depth? Yes. Was he an amateur. Most definitely not. Same could apply for Woody.
Judging Woodward on this window so far is fecking stupid. It's not even July yet and the World Cup is a few games in. We won't have any idea of how well or badly he is doing until mid-august at the earliest.
It must be the case that Woodward is leaking it to the press that Van Gaal isn't happy with him and worries our transfer negotiations have stalled. Clearly, that is the most logical explanation.
A complete amateur. I mean, you have no idea what he does whatsoever....but GOD, WHAT an idiot.
Christ give me strength.