Everytime i see a link posted from the Express or Star i don't even read it cause i know it's aload of BS.
Manchester United transfer news and rumours for summer 2014
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To be honest after watching Holland - Spain game I am more confident. I know it was just one game and all that, but I genuinely believe that we underrate our squad here, yes we need some signings but last season was just a freak show - I will take a fit RVP for whole season over any new signings. I don't expect us to challenge for tittle but top 4 is more then possible.
Van Gaal won't be able to do anything with our midfielders, they are just an awful awful bunch.
I don't expect him to do much with the current midfield either but that Netherlands midfield with Stootman missing is hardly a great bunch.
We have no reliable option it's gotten that bad, it's not possible to get back into the top four with a mid table quality midfield. We have to spend in that area.
Oh he'd improve them on last seasons performances. Bloke is a top class manager & gets the best out of what us available to him. Might as well give up now if you think he can't raise the standard of our current players, as i don't think we're getting the stars so many of our fans have set their hearts on. It'll be players for a system & get a real team playing for each other again!
Thing is its easy to mask a few deficiencies in talent over a tournament like this where you can adapt and plan for match ups but over a 38 game season inconsistencies and lack of talent usually gets found out, you cannot grow a footballing brain in Cleverley's head out of nowhere. Players like Carrick might improve but we desperately need someone more receptive and talented for those positions.
The only midfielder I believe he'd improve is Cleverley. Carrick will soon be 33 so you can't expect him to get better or reach his 12/13 form, Fletcher is finished and I think we should sell him and the less said about Fellaini the better.
I was never expecting top players joining us, but we do need to spend in midfield and it won't bother me if they aren't big names as long as they improve us, I'm confident we'll get Strootman but that will have to wait until January or next summer but we can't only bring in one midfielder because we need about three.
He's no miracle worker though and if we think that we can go against the likes of Shitty and Chelsea with players like frigging Fellaini, Fletcher and Cleverley and win then we better think again.
I don't usually agree with devilish but he is spot on here. I think people's image of Van Gaal being a miracle worker with poor players has stepped up a gear because of the Dutch result against Spain. He just isn't going to get enough time with the United players to overnight turn them into world beaters.
While I totally trust his opinion on who to buy and who not, part of me wants to believe that he recognizes and will buy a few midfielders before the window is out.
My only concern is on whether we will be able to bring the players he would want in the first place. I mean look around us. Chelsea have signed Fabregas and are closing in for Costa. Shitty have signed Sagna, Liverpool signed Lambert and us.......
This. Van Gaal said he told Woodward which players he wanted yet we've yet to see any evidence we are close to signing anyone.
I think it's hard to compare those situations to ours.
Sagna was out of contract, Barca wanted to sell Fabregas and needed to sell to buy, Costa has a release fee and Lambert was allowed to go due to his age and money Liverpool paid for him.
The players we're probably looking at, clubs are probably not eager to sell so it takes a little bit more time. Not to mention that even though deals were done before the World Cup, most players have been away with national teams since mid-may.
For a strange reason our deals seem always to be more complicated then others
It's a little annoying
we seem to take ages to get deals done. Especially when you look at how quick the likes of Bayern, Madrid get deals done.Exactly, they haven't had to fight too hard to get those players.
Tbf, its too soon to raise concerns over this. I'd give it 15-20 days after the world cup to Woordward after which I'd suspect something is wrong with our negotiating team.
Van Gaal arrives in the middle of July at the latest, depending on how Holland progress at the WC. I can't see him being impressed if there are no new signings when he arrives - we play the first game of our pre-season tour on 23rd July.
Woodward needs to get the finger out.
Well probably because we're targeting players that a) clubs don't need to sell, b) don't want to sell, c) have plenty of years left on respective contracts. Just need to read Daniel Taylors take on the Mata transfer to see how complicated and political transfer negotiations can be.
Then if you want to believe the media Van Gaal has put a stop on two transfers we apparently had groundwork laid out for (Kroos + Fabregas) so as soon as he became manager we've gone pretty much back to square one. Shaw is probably close, by Southampton have always said they will not let any players leave till they have appointed a new manager.
I would probably stick my neck out and say that if we still had Moyes, we probably would have at least two transfers in by now.
I'm not concerned just yet. It's mid June. Although i am concerned that the man who did so well raising the clubs bank account figures is the same man tasked with spending it.
I for one am starting to become concerned, we play our first tour game 5 weeks today.
I wouldn't disagree with this. Although I said last June on the caf "what if we don't make any signings" and most said 'no way, it's only June, we WILL be making a few signings' - the rest is history really.
However, the longer the dutch team stay in the world cup, and play like they did against Spain, the higher the esteem and credientials LVG will have amongst top players. So patience during this transfer season is probably the right theme tune!
Le10Sport saying Monaco are ready to sell Falcao for 60mil euro (Allegedly).
Agree. Players would be daft to announce during the WC that they've moved clubs cause if the have a sh!t one, the respected media will say they were too busy feather their own nest......It would be like utd announcing Rooney's new deal this week!!!!
How reliable?
We dont need him at all, we should go for moutinho and jamez rodriguez. If we could get them it would be fantastic.
I like the optimism here and I will join you in thinking that way but I am becoming more and more worried that this will be a repeat of last summer. If so I fear for us.
Two years running being shite is a hard thing to come back from unless we have Arabs take us over and are then willing to pay any agent and player the most ridiculous wages we can imagine.
LvG is a much better manager than Moyes, this is obvious not only by his record. The thing is will Jose, Pelegrini, Rodgers, Wenger etc all of sudden be less good especially when these teams have already strengthened bar Arsenal (though Joel Campbell is going back - he looked brilliant against Uruguay). Never mind Everton and Spurs.
LvG cannot work miracles with mediocrity. Better players will bring results more than a better manager - Woodward is under ridiculous pressure, surely the fan backlash will be biblical if we once again f*ck up the window.
A fit RVP will require a solid midfield which will give him the freedom to stay upfront without a having to track back but without a signing we can't give him that freedom.
I think we all are more confident after the Spain thrashing, but it will take more then RVP or LVG...
I'm not filled with confidence with the Vermaelen rumours, I don't rate him at all.
Injury prone, not particularly quick, nothing special defensively, it says something when the first thing I thought when I read it was that I'd rather play Johnny Evans.
Injury prone, not particularly quick, nothing special defensively, it says something when the first thing I thought when I read it was that I'd rather play Johnny Evans.
Its always the same though isn't it? Others are quick to sign players while we spend weeks preparing bids, having bids refused etc.
And I find it pretty hard to believe that VG had refused signing the likes of Kroos and Fabregas especially if we end up sticking with the crap we've got in CM
We seem to be interested in getting back in the top four rather than pushing our rivals for the prem trophy, we are well into our salvation mission.
All the players we seem to be linked with and have a serious chance of getting are injured or have a horrible record when it comes to injuries. Sweinstieger, Vermealean and the ever emerging Strootman....I mean I know we need to take a hit unless we pay ridiculous fees which at the beginning of summer looked likely, now that the national teams are out there it gives the club time to re-evaluate the situation and it would seem were becoming more and more modest.
Those suggesting we could end up with some Dutch youngsters could be bang on. Yes they are performing amazingly in the World Cup although its yet to be seen if they can replicate that form, but the Prem is a much much harder competition and requires a first 11 of ever increasing world class talent to win.
All the players we seem to be linked with and have a serious chance of getting are injured or have a horrible record when it comes to injuries. Sweinstieger, Vermealean and the ever emerging Strootman....I mean I know we need to take a hit unless we pay ridiculous fees which at the beginning of summer looked likely, now that the national teams are out there it gives the club time to re-evaluate the situation and it would seem were becoming more and more modest.
Those suggesting we could end up with some Dutch youngsters could be bang on. Yes they are performing amazingly in the World Cup although its yet to be seen if they can replicate that form, but the Prem is a much much harder competition and requires a first 11 of ever increasing world class talent to win.
Good luck signing a player when they're in Brazil. Our chance was before the tournament started which didn't materialise. Now we have to wait patiently till after the tournament.
You don't deal with players, you deal with their agents.
Yeah. But your transfer activity gets hampered when the player does not want to give mindshare to impending transfers and wants to concentrate on the world cup.
I don't minding signing Vermaelen but if we do I think it puts to bed this idea we're going to be spending £200 million. Vermaelen is in the last year of his contract, which means relatively speaking he will come cheap. That fits the sort of profile of the last few years under Fergie where the likes of Young and even Van Persie where signed as their deals started to wind down, which kept the asking price from being inflated as it was when we signed Fellaini and Mata. Maybe those last two deals raised expectations and made people believe £30 million signings would become standard but I have become more and more sceptical about this. Would not be surprised if the Shaw deal collapses over the fee (though given how inflated that fee is I would not be that out of joint about it).
You can't ignore the fact we paid the money for Fellaini and Mata just because its convenient for your argument.
Didnt Cesc just sign for Chelsea from Brazil....
I would like to think that the big money signing will be saved for the areas where we really need to spend. CM and a winger.
We have quite a few CBs and so I'm not sure its a priority this summer to spend big there, but a decent squad player would be good.
You may be right, however I am hoping I am right and you're wrong
It's not always the same. We had one rubbish transfer window last season and now people are thinking that's the norm?
The season before we had Powell, Zaha, Kagawa all signed for when the window opened. Season before that De Gea, Young, and Jones were the same, Smalling and Hernandez before that.
Yes, if the same happens again, especially after the World Cup we should start to worry. How ever with a new manager, probably targeting players he knows of/about it will probably take a bit more time as groundwork needs to be laid out, which is tricky when a World Cup is on. Clubs/Agents may refuse to negotiate to see if values go up.
Read the stories of what's happened to Riquelme when he was signed without Van Gaals involvement.
Good point but those windows all have one thing missing. A quality central midfielder that we have been crying out for for at least 4 years. Getting in early is great of course but apart from De Gea not one of those players have been a first team regular. I think we have been poor in regards to transfers for a long long time now.
Get where you are going but do you really think any of those teams gave really strengthened with those purchases.
For Chelsea I just see a great goal keeper and very good midfield. I don't think there forward line or back is particularly exceptional.
City already had best right back. San a is good but really they have other areas to improve but they do have best squad.
Liverpool did well last year, but still think other than their front Line I think they are overrated. Not a strong back line, and the midfield could do with someone like a yaya toure.
Arsenal, Spurs and Everton not doing a great deal. However they are all worse off than last year. Manager leaving, players leaving and loan players going.
We are in clearly a worse position than last year, players wise, but we now have a manager who may play to our strengths. We
Will buy so I expect a significant closing of the gap next year.