We need one CB, one LB, two CM and one winger atleast. 80 mill won´t do it sadly because the players brought in have to be top-class. Moyes did inherit the champions but he also inherited players on their way down. Hummels, Shaw, Carvalho, Schweinstiger and Sanchez please. We prob need a RB and one more winger aswell.
Manchester United transfer news and rumours for summer 2014
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What about breaking our transfer record by signing one of the best players in the league over the last few seasons?
Ah, that's right, Fergie and Gill did that deal because Woodward was too incompetent to manage it.
I guess you are referring to Mata, and yes that is a good signing in my opinion, though some here sweem ready to pack him up. Chelsea got what they wanted and were ready to move him and we may have overpaid a tad but for good reason. I'm not sold on Woodward.
You can't just ignore his good things though. He signed Juan fecking Mata, yet everyone harks back to Fellaini which wasn't his fault (see my edit to my last post).
Is this £80million figure being taken as gospel now too? As reported by the same bunch of lying bastards (the press) who have reported we have £100mil, £120mil, £150mil, £180mil or £200mil at varying times throughout the summer. It goes up and down more often than a hookers g-string. They haven't a fecking notion what our budget is. I doubt anyone not involved at the club does.
Yet again, people just believe the stories they're dripfed if it fits whatever pre-conceived notion they have of the owners/Woodward/whoever else is a cnut that we shouldn't like.
Yet again, people just believe the stories they're dripfed if it fits whatever pre-conceived notion they have of the owners/Woodward/whoever else is a cnut that we shouldn't like.
Yes, it is an extreme investment. My point is that the value of Utd may be x, but according to at least two articles I've read , that I cannot reference (of course), the value has dropped a fair bit over the last year. Another bad year and it will again drop. The Glazers have been owners of US franchises for some time and they do not like watching their assets fall in value. I guess we'll wait and see but they want to protect their investment as it is, guessing, collateral against many of their other endeavors. I don't kniow enough on this to speak in much other than supposition but not many here would.
You are dead right in that buying a shit club and investing heavily would be more immedately profitable than purchasing a club such as RM or Brca or PSG or UTd., I think some of these oil barons might have egos as big as their wallets. We shall see.
Two points:
1) Getting in six players in one fell swoop simply doesn't sound realistic - or, to rephrase, getting in six players who all fit the bill very nicely in their various roles, given that not one of these is in place as we speak and won't be until after the World Cup (in all likelihood)...doesn't sound very realistic. Van Gaal may decide to get the most out of what he has rather than going for players that aren't a 100% fit (which would be wise of him, all things considered).
2) No CL next season. That is a great advantage for us in terms of - possibly - not bringing in a whole host of reinforcements.
Do you even know how transfer budgets work? You do not have strict sum of $$$, it's flexible. Sometimes good players become available for cheap, no one is going to stop the transfer just because asking price is 5m above agreed limit.
It ain't JUST about money either. I think we have a fair amount to spend should we need to. I think we probably could've matched whatever Chelsea is paying Fabregas *, for instance. But he had his reasons for wanting to play for a London club. We're competing against other big clubs for the biggest targets - that's not easy, even if you do have money to burn, so to speak.
* If we were even in for him, I mean.
I reckon that with LVG's connections and a decent "war chest" we should be able to land something - but if people think we're going to bring in a LB, a CB, a winger, a back-up RB and two starting CMs...well, you never know, but I seriously doubt it.
I agree with those who have mentioned LVG's penchant for on-the-ball-skills when it comes to CBs, by the way. I personally think he's looking at getting in someone there if the right man is available.
Another thing worth mentioning is that LVG, who may not be inclined to go on shopping sprees normally, may have - for all we know - a top four clause in his contract. This could - in theory - mean that he'll be less inclined to gamble on players who'll need time to adjust and "simply" bring in a couple of proven stars he knows well. Get us back into the CL, then start blooding youth, etc.
* If we were even in for him, I mean.
I reckon that with LVG's connections and a decent "war chest" we should be able to land something - but if people think we're going to bring in a LB, a CB, a winger, a back-up RB and two starting CMs...well, you never know, but I seriously doubt it.
I agree with those who have mentioned LVG's penchant for on-the-ball-skills when it comes to CBs, by the way. I personally think he's looking at getting in someone there if the right man is available.
Another thing worth mentioning is that LVG, who may not be inclined to go on shopping sprees normally, may have - for all we know - a top four clause in his contract. This could - in theory - mean that he'll be less inclined to gamble on players who'll need time to adjust and "simply" bring in a couple of proven stars he knows well. Get us back into the CL, then start blooding youth, etc.
Truth is, no one has a clue how much the club is going to spend, I'm surprised people believed the 200m figure, and now believe the 80m figure. Secondly, why is everyone acting as if we are doomed if certain players are not signed? The best we can hope for is 1 top player and few other very good players, it's the way United operate and that's how LVG rolls, he isn't really a big spender [though one can argue that he didn't need to do it at his past clubs]. Coming to Woodward, the frustration is that he has briefed that the club would do business before the world cup and that the club is active, and we will move in the transfer market in such a way we haven't in the past - comments like this has raised expectations, the world cup has started and United haven't even signed Luke Shaw, who is 18 and plays for a mid table English club. It is really complicated because I don't believe for a second that LVG hasn't told them who to go for, signing them though is a different matter. And for God sake people, talks go on everyday including during the world cup because players have agents who handle all these issues for them, do people really think everyone has stopped doing transfer business and is now only focusing on the world cup? Talks are on going, players are in communication with their agent to get them what the want. Hopefully the club can back up their words with real action this summer.
Been a while since I saw Alex Song. How do people rate him?
He's not a great player imo, would just be a squad player at best. Made a horrific challenge on dos Santos yesterday and didn't even get a booking which was shocking.
He's not great but the sad fact is maybe Carrick aside, he's better than what we have. Now if we aren't going to go for a big name (Vidal, Pogba, Kroos etc) then he would be a fairly good signing from that lower bracket of player.
Buying Song will be equivalent of buying Fellaini last summer.
A lot of people said Fellaini was better than we had so was worth buying....
that should always be remembered.
I don't think the amount of money spent is, or should be considered an issue at all.
If seems that the manager will be able to go after the players he wants and within reason it'd be possible.
You're spot on regarding the panic from some that nothing had been done yet. It's not surprising and there is plenty of time.
You can all laugh at this when we sign him tomorrow but...
Woodward and LVG will start looking at plan B for a new left back. Talks with Southampton have almost stopped. Buttner will be confirmed as going on loan when someone eventually signs.
Woodward and LVG will start looking at plan B for a new left back. Talks with Southampton have almost stopped. Buttner will be confirmed as going on loan when someone eventually signs.
And you know this how? How do you know talks have stopped..?
I can't agree with that. If SAF was still in charge I'll put your house on it that we would have made the Champions League at least. Moyes mistake was that he tried to change a successful formula.
Or it's agreed in principal and Southampton are just waiting to announce their new manager and we are waiting for the world cup to be over so Shaw can complete his medical?
Considering we nicked Buttner from under Southampton's noses, would makes sense to offer him on loan as a sweetener
They probably won't want him now seeing some of the dreadful performances his put in for United.
MEN transfer gossip
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co...sfer-news/mats-hummels-xavi-alex-song-7268311
Song for 20 mill
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/foot...sea-and-Man-Utd-to-pay-them-20m-for-Alex-Song
Sanchez doen't want to go to Manchester
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/foot...Louis-van-Gaal-s-Manchester-United-revolution
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co...sfer-news/mats-hummels-xavi-alex-song-7268311
Song for 20 mill
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/foot...sea-and-Man-Utd-to-pay-them-20m-for-Alex-Song
Sanchez doen't want to go to Manchester
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/foot...Louis-van-Gaal-s-Manchester-United-revolution
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That makes for a miserable, albeit short, read.
Nonsense. Song is a much better player.
Our transfer window seems more and more depressing every day.
MEN is just hilarious. Absolutely clueless when it comes to Dortmund.
This.
I hope I'm wrong on my outlook on this but:
It looks like LVG has vetoed probable Moyes targets and replaced them/most of them with a list of his own.
It also Looks like most of them are/will be unobtainable e.g. alleged Bayern contingent.
LVG will soon realise that big as United are on the outside and good as there revenue still is, the club is being outperformed in the transfer market even by clubs like Spurs.
Maybe I am not expressing myself well; but after last season's debacle and this so called summer war chest; it is frustrating to see nobody has ben signed and I have no idea who we are really going for.
Hear, hear.
How many deals have actually been done though? Luiz to PSG and Fabregas to Chelsea are the only two concluded big deals I can think of so far. The World Cup was always going to be a problem for us especially with our new manager still managing a team competing in it.
If we still have no one signed by this time in July it'll start to get worrying given we really need 5 players brought in, but for now I'm not going to be too concerned even though it would have been nice to get a couple of deals done prior to the World Cup.
If we still have no one signed by this time in July it'll start to get worrying given we really need 5 players brought in, but for now I'm not going to be too concerned even though it would have been nice to get a couple of deals done prior to the World Cup.
Costa to Chelsea is all but done. Liverpool already bought two player or even three. I kinda forget did they signed Moreno or not. Fernando to City is all but dusted. Lewa to Munich, although it was known for some time, but still.
The main thing is, most of the teams have clear idea who they are going to sign, clear objectives and targets. Strategy. Who are our targets? Realistic, affordable targets? Shaw and that's pretty much all. Strootman is injured, Bastian is Munich's vice-captain. Muller, Robben would never work. Sanchez from Barca would be very tough. Hummels is a main player for Dortmund. That what worries people. When we had Kroos and Carvalho at least there was some real hope, i mean one is in Sporting Lisbon, the other one has a clear conflict with a club and is entering a final year of his contract. Now our targets just seem too much out of reach.
How do you know we don't have a clear objective or strategy?
How do you know we haven't all but concluded deals with clubs already?
As should have been expected given that the protagonist of our transfer strategy has yet to start working for us . I think we should have fired Moyes much earlier and appointed Van Gaal around February/March which eould have allowed him the chance to watch this team playing with an interest and decide on how to proceed . Appointing him when we did, with the WC so close, made it impossible for him to focus on us without pissing off his compatriots in the process .
That being said there is clearly something wrong with how we conduct our transfers and this has been evident even during the Fergie era, we take too fecking long to conclude and these past two years we seemingly aren't doing enough legwork in the scouting aspect because our targets constitute the who is who from Bayern, Barca or Madrid . United can't be serious if they are saying good midfielders can only be found at Bayern Munich or Barcelona ! This in a seaso we needed to sort out our business early and allow the manager time to prepare his team .
Another mistake in a series of catastrophic errors . The first was appointing him, the second giving him a six year contract ......
Hard to disagree but sacking him this early when lets face it he barely got a fair chance as it was.
6 year contract was just a PR move to make it look like United was all about 'long term stability'. In reality there were performance clauses in place. So talking about Moyes' six year contract is irrelevant.
The big Rooney contract might be another. If LvG cannot fit him into the team(see England) then how the hell will we get rid of him on those wages. It seems it is easier to just keep throwing contracts at the current players, if they deserve it or not, rather than going out and signing someone.
Overrated crap.
Let me put this way, you intend to go to London but you have made a wrong turn and now are in the Newcastle direction (just an example) do you waste more fuel and time persisting with that direction ? What do you do ? To me, it became clear when he failed to arrest the decline in December/January, when he lost those matches against Newcastle, Everton and then Spurs on New year's day. A serious institution cuts it's losses there and then, and starts planning for the next campaign . Allowing him to cost us fourth and spend months laying the ground work for players he wasn't going to sign was as bad a mistake as appointing him .
Fairness has no place in a highly competitive environment, sad but it is what it is . Now we have no European football which cost us money, players won't want to come here because of that so we have to offer them more than they are worth which again will cost us money .
Except that could never have happened
EDIT: Or do you mean fire Moyes, appoint Van Gaal to start after the World Cup and just have Giggs as caretaker for longer? Don't really see how that helps.