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Manchester United transfer news and rumours for summer 2014
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I agree. It fits the bill with LVG too as he isn't known to spend vast amounts of money all in one swoop. I think he'll have the £80m to spend plus whatever it takes to get Strootman here in January. It's going to be a slow summer anyway.
Have to agree. 80m is a decent budget and seems more realistic than the 200 m figure previously briefed by the club. If we manage to flog some of the dross that adds another 20 m or thereabouts. 100 m can realistically fetch 3 even 4 (at a stretch) good players - even in today's inflated market. Coupled with better tactics and Wilson, Pereira, Lingard, Varela stepping into the first team we should be there or thereabouts next season. Still think this is a more organic approach than spending frivolously on unsuitable targets. 6 incoming transfers in one window can lead to a disjointed squad. The leftover from the "warchest" if any can be distributed over the winter and 2015 summer window to further reinforce the squad once we're reinstated in the Champion's League. IMO there are some great steals to be had if we just wait for one season. Reus for ~30 m, Kroos on a Bosman. That's probably 2 world class signings for the price of one Marouanne. 
£80m is baby money. Our squad needs massive investment. That simply wouldn't cut it, at all.
If our budget is only 80M you can't expect us to sign top quality players, if you look at the fees been touted around for our main reported targets:
Shaw - 30M
Schweinsteiger - 25M
Sanchez - 30M
we're over the budget already, gotta feeling we'll rebuild on the cheap and we appointed a manager who isn't known to spend bucket loads.
Shaw - 30M
Schweinsteiger - 25M
Sanchez - 30M
we're over the budget already, gotta feeling we'll rebuild on the cheap and we appointed a manager who isn't known to spend bucket loads.
I you were to value our squad on an individual level combined, and value Real/Barca/Bayern and even City and Chelski's... The difference is absolutely mammoth. Probably enough to build a second Wembley stadium in the case of the first three clubs. And it ducking shows.
£80m!? That is one top bracket player.
£80m!? That is one top bracket player.
We could easily recoup £30-50 trimming down the squad, not to mention the savings in wages that'd bring, to go with the big earners already gone thus Summer.
Not unless we sell a big name player which is unlikely to happen, all players linked with a move away are going to be sold for less than 15M.
Oh no!!!! On that basis we are £5m over budget... Damnnn. I'm sure we could find them three transfers without selling anyone. Plus if that was our summer business it would be a good window.
Add a CB to that and I'd be fairly pleased. Another midfielder will ideally be needed but we can trudge along till January with a Fellaini and Cleverley backing up Schweinsteiger and Carrick.
We still have anderson!
Surely we won't be carrying him for another season. That's a lot of weight to carry!
We'd need another midfielder to partner Schweinsteiger and an experienced CB.
I don't think we can to be honest. Playing Schweinsteiger and Carrick would have the same problems as we currently have teams will stroll through us. And how can we expect Carrick to get back to his 12/13 form? His almost 33 and had a shocker last season, it's crucial we sign two midfielders to go straight into the first 11
We must sign a goalscoring winger like Robben or Hazard. We've been so poor out wide for too long since we lost Ronaldo and young Giggs.
Fabregas, girlfriend, Chelsea, zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/foot...an-Utd-in-favour-of-Chelsea-by-his-girlfriend
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/foot...an-Utd-in-favour-of-Chelsea-by-his-girlfriend
If you want a player and you didn't get him = messing up
If you never stood a fair chance at getting the player you messed up in your transferplanning because you should only go after players, you stand a realistic chance at getting. Ifpissed of the player, or the club or let an other club overtake you, than you messed up with the negotiations. If nobody is available that answers the profiles you look for and are achievable within the budget than you also messed up with the planning and scouting.
It is quite simple, we need alot of new players, we need the majority of them going with us on preseason, that implied getting some things done before the worldcup, we didn't manage that, so we messed up to some extent. Hopefully we'll rectify it and get things going after the worldcup.
He'll be sorry.
(I hope)
(I hope)
That article about his girlfriend looks like rubish to me. Did we actually even TRIED to sign him, or is it just a speculation cause we tried last year and we need a CM ?
Please don't this is a song I just don't want us to sing...
Strootman and Blind would be two excellent signings to solve a lot of our midfield/defensive problems. I am not really bothered beyond that, as I can't tell yet how Van Gaal is going to implement Rooney and Mata. Also, I think Januzaj is going to be a big favourite with Van Gaal.
I am not bothered about Fabregas or Song.
I am not bothered about Fabregas or Song.
doubt if there is any truth in it.
I hope we have told them to sod off.
Rio and Vidic leaving is breaking up player power? That's a stretch. Really would like to see you list some concrete things Woodward has done rather than "breaking up player power". Not banging on you, I just don't think Woodward has done a damned thing; unless you want to count buying Felaini for 3m over his buyout figure...or bollocksing the transfer of that Spanish mid last summer.
Assuming LVG looks to play in a similar style to Holland, do you think he will get Januzaj to adapt to the Robben role? Obviously not as pacy but left footed and a good football brain to take up menacing attacking positions
Quite possibly, but I know for sure Van Gaal's going to shake things up. I have no idea how he'll implement our attacking options; it really is a conundrum and someone's going to have to miss out. RVP will be our front man and perhaps Januzaj will partner him with Mata in behind them. Rooney could be adapted to a deeper role in midfield.
Is the Graeme Bailey reliable ? everyone is talking like it's a done deal, but is it a done deal ?
The sad part of this is that we'll get even more of that bullshit during Holland's world cup campaign.
The only probable thing is Shaw but even Ogden who was on to something is having a break right now.
The only probable thing is Shaw but even Ogden who was on to something is having a break right now.
Actually I would like us to sign Strootman, Blind and Song
Strootman won't be avaible until January, if we want to seriously compete than we need a good midfield before January. Carrick won't be here for much longer either, in fact his contract runs out at the end of this year and I half hope we're not going to renew it. Honestly he has completley fallen out of my grace since this season, never seen a more worrying display from a player I always tought to be a consitent class player, I'am happy for him to stay here and prove himself for one more year but I'am starting to take it into account that he is getting passed it. If that is the case Strootman would be an excellent replacement, so then those 3 could form the basis of our midfield from the start of next season.
------Song-----Blind-------
----------Mata----------
As our midfield till January
after that
------Strootman----Blind/Song-----
---------------Mata-----------
(back up Carrick, Cleverley and Fletcher) and when Carrick (and perhaps Fletcher) move out in the near future than that won't be such a problem.
I don't know if this has been brought up yet. As a public service, here's how to say "no value" in Dutch:
geen waarde
Carry on.
geen waarde
Carry on.
Have to agree. 80m is a decent budget and seems more realistic than the 200 m figure previously briefed by the club. If we manage to flog some of the dross that adds another 20 m or thereabouts. 100 m can realistically fetch 3 even 4 (at a stretch) good players - even in today's inflated market. Coupled with better tactics and Wilson, Pereira, Lingard, Varela stepping into the first team we should be there or thereabouts next season. Still think this is a more organic approach than spending frivolously on unsuitable targets. 6 incoming transfers in one window can lead to a disjointed squad. The leftover from the "warchest" if any can be distributed over the winter and 2015 summer window to further reinforce the squad once we're reinstated in the Champion's League. IMO there are some great steals to be had if we just wait for one season. Reus for ~30 m, Kroos on a Bosman. That's probably 2 world class signings for the price of one Marouanne.
it really isn't if you have to strenghten in like 6 positions
£80m is ok if you need to bring in like 3 players, we need to atleast bring in 5 and possibly even 6:
-A centreback to accomodate for the loss of Ferdinand and Vidic (smalling, Jones and Evans won't cut it)
-2 midfielders (which have been overdue for 3 years now)
-A leftback
-A productive winger (Nani, Young, Valencia are subpar quality and Januzaj is still only 19 years old)
(-Rightback competitor for Rafael)
There is no way £80m is going to get us that. Definitley not if you want some of those players to be worldclass players, for which in the current market you'll likley have to blow almost half of that £80m budget to get one.
We won't get either of Reus or kroos next year, Kroos has already made a deal with Real madrid to move after next season, he simply ain't interested in us. Reus will be similar he can go to Barcelona etc and he is far more likley to go there than here at us. The only I could see any of them maybay changing their mind on this is if we somehow become a footballing machine under LVG again that plays the most sexy football in the league and goes on the win the title and the FA-cup, than maybay you could persude them to come here instead of Real or Barca. I think that is highly unlikely to happen and it is impossible without actual signings this summer because with Fellaini and Carrick or god forbid Cleverley we're not going to become that kind of sexy team.
What this team needs now is a makeover, not just some patching up. It needs a quality boast, it needs fresh blood. The only way to do that if by signing 5 or 6 players not by just 2 or 3 and then maybay one in the winter or something, that simply won't do it. £80m is totally inadequate for that. Definitley if we're planning on going ahead with that £27m Shaw madness...
£120m would be the minimal budget to make such a makeover happen, but £150m with todays prices is more likley. If we won't pay up, than fine prepare for another season without CL.
How do you have any idea that any of this hasn't happened?
It startles me how much insight posters on the Caf have with regards our transfer dealings and what discussions the major figures at the club have or haven't had.
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Mate I get you point. In an ideal world I'd love for us to spend XYZ million on multiple absolute top notch players like Madrid. You're also correct in suggesting that 5-6 quality players are probably required to get us back amongst the European elite. But there might be things beyond Van Gaal/ Woodward's control. The Glazers spent about 50 million in 2012. Last season they spent almost 70 million. Add that to the money we lost by not qualifying for the CL (~50 million) and that's 170 million flowing out of the club's coffers. Considering the club's finances (still 350 million in debt) that's a shitload of money. Add another 150-200 million (6 class players that'll bed into the team) and the total creeps upwards of 300 million. Do you think it's prudent to haemorrhage such extraordinary amounts when we could instead spread it out over a couple of seasons and go for better deals rather than coming from a place of desperation ? We're in no hurry to compete with the likes of Bayern or Madrid next season. I believe that with 3-4 additions and better tactics we can win the league or atleast be in the mix. Remember the season is long and it's not always the best team that wins, it's the most consistent and clinical against weaker opposition. Once we're re-instated in the Champion's League, we can go for the best without having to overpay in terms of fees, contracts and agent bonuses. As for Kroos agreeing a move with Real or Reus with Barcelona, it's all conjecture at this point. Nothing's certain until they sign the dotted line. So to speak of it in absolute certainty is a bit naive TBF.
Mate I get you point. In an ideal world I'd love for us to spend XYZ million on multiple absolute top notch players like Madrid. You're also correct in suggesting that 5-6 quality players are probably required to get us back amongst the European elite. But there might be things beyond Van Gaal/ Woodward's control. The Glazers spent about 50 million in 2012. Last season they spent almost 70 million. Add that to the money we lost by not qualifying for the CL (~50 million) and that's 170 million flowing out of the club's coffers. Considering the club's finances (still 350 million in debt) that's a shitload of money. Add another 150-200 million (6 class players that'll bed into the team) and the total creeps upwards of 300 million. Do you think it's prudent to haemorrhage such extraordinary amounts when we could instead spread it out over a couple of seasons and go for better deals rather than coming from a place of desperation ? We're in no hurry to compete with the likes of Bayern or Madrid next season. I believe that with 3-4 additions and better tactics we can win the league or atleast be in the mix. Remember the season is long and it's not always the best team that wins, it's the most consistent and clinical against weaker opposition. Once we're re-instated in the Champion's League, we can go for the best without having to overpay in terms of fees, contracts and agent bonuses. As for Kroos agreeing a move with Real or Reus with Barcelona, it's all conjecture at this point. Nothing's certain until they sign the dotted line. So to speak of it in absolute certainty is a bit naive TBF.
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Enter the sheiks, I am sure they are salivating waiting for the Glazzers to continue fecking Utd up so they can bid 50p on the pound.
Breaking up player power, the so called old guard chain (Rio/Evra/Giggs/Vidic) is broken. Was it by circumstances (contacts etc) or by choice (woodward) is a different discussion. The way Woodward kept "class off 92" or SAF away from influencing our managerial appointment after moyes OR giving the final call to VG regarding Giggs's future - it all shows that Woodward has a plan and he is trying to impose his authority on our club. For a overpaid Fellaini, he signed a gem in Mata from our rival - januzaji signed a new contract, apparently he is the highest paid teenager in world football. Can I mention Rooney's contract or Evra.?
I am not pretending to be some expert on all these matters, just ordinary guy who loves the game. Woodward was up against SAF and his co (old guard) and then he had moyes as a manger, It's a big ask to expect hime to get right everything as soon as he got the job.
I am hoping that you are happy with the appointment off VG, and I am confident that by the end off the transfer window you will be satisfied with our transfers as well. I don't have a crystal ball, it's just I would like to believe that things will work out for our club. It's too early to judge Woodward!
Again, I wasn't banging on you. I don't think Woodward has done anything so far. I am happier to have LVG than I am Moyes but I liked the Moyes appointment at the time. It's acrap shoot and the Glazers had better have gotten it right or their grip on Utd will slip.
What about breaking our transfer record by signing one of the best players in the league over the last few seasons?
Ah, that's right, Fergie and Gill did that deal because Woodward was too incompetent to manage it.
Also, how is Fellaini his fault? Moyes wanted Fellaini and Baines and pushed for both to the last day, when he decided to split the deal and go for Fellaini on his own because Everton wouldn't budge on Baines. Other than inventing a time machine and going back to earlier in the summer before his release clause had ended, what in the name of feck could Woodward have done? He doesn't pick the targets, he tries to sign the players his manager chooses for him.
Mate again I just want us to be realistic with what we wish for. United is currently valued at 3 billion. Nothing would be better than the Glazers bowing down and some uberwealthy baron taking over. But 3 billion + clearing off the debt + servicing the cost of transfers is an extreme investment. The chances of the that happening are quite slim TBF when you consider some of the clubs the Sheikhs have bought. City for 200 million and even if one factors in the player investment it barely breaches the 1 billion mark. For PSG that's around 500 million. We must recognize that the cost of just a United takeover in isolation would be thrice of what Abu Dhabi has injected into City and six times what Qatar has spent on PSG. Unfortunately it seems like we're stuck with the Glazers so the best approach would be spending wisely (not saying we should be stingy but we must keep one eye on the balance books) rather than going all in for short term glory and buying high end players and regretting it in the long term by crippling our finances. Unless one wishes for United to go completely tits up, bankrupt, asset stripped and the club's proud prestige creeping to an all time low...