By making a statement I didn't mean we should buy a player we don't need. By statement of intent I meant buying a world class player in a position we are crying out far. Someone like Fabregas for instance.
Manchester United transfer news and rumours for summer 2014
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By making a statement I didn't mean we should buy a player we don't need. By statement of intent I meant buying a world class player in a position we are crying out far. Someone like Fabregas for instance.
Yup, the doom and gloom merchants are coming out.Need to set up a suicide watch for some posters.
In fairness, can you not understand people's doubts and reservations here? Regardless of our manager been at the WC, last summer and Ed's mouthing during last season, coupled with a lack of activity so far, only adds fuel to them doubts.
It's understandable people are apprehensive over it. I never get involved in the "muppet" craic on here but, even I'm starting to get a bit uncomfortable
I agree we should have went for Fabregas but either Van Gaal didn't fancy him or he didn't fancy us so not much we can do.
It would be understandable if we still haven't signed anyone come August 12th. Not June 12th though.
I've actually found myself wondering if we should have kept Moyes. By all accounts he had a fair number of good players on his radar (he recently wrote an article about players to watch at the world cup and most of the 5-6 players he mentioned he said he'd been targeting for United).
Perhaps we should have let him stay on, get these players in, then sack him the day after Holland gets knocked out of the WOrld Cup
Perhaps we should have let him stay on, get these players in, then sack him the day after Holland gets knocked out of the WOrld Cup
I'm still optimistic. Cesc is a quality player, but my instincts say we may not be shopping solely at the top end of the market. Taking a longer historical view, there were a ton of people who've said things like:
"We're 100% not getting": Rio or Cantona from Leeds, Berbatov from Spurs, Rooney from Everton, RVP from Arsenal, Mata from Chelsea, etc. And we did. Much to my surprise at times.
As one of the biggest clubs in the world, I'd love it if we throw down a massive offer on Vidal. I'll also love it if we pluck other relatively unknown gems like Solksjaer or Chicharito, too.
Yeah, Chelsea got Fabregas and it looks like Costa too, before we announced anything of note. Am I concerned yet? Not in the least. I'll give the benefit of the doubt until the window closes. If it's a disaster like last year, then I'll join in with the doom and gloom.
"We're 100% not getting": Rio or Cantona from Leeds, Berbatov from Spurs, Rooney from Everton, RVP from Arsenal, Mata from Chelsea, etc. And we did. Much to my surprise at times.
As one of the biggest clubs in the world, I'd love it if we throw down a massive offer on Vidal. I'll also love it if we pluck other relatively unknown gems like Solksjaer or Chicharito, too.
Yeah, Chelsea got Fabregas and it looks like Costa too, before we announced anything of note. Am I concerned yet? Not in the least. I'll give the benefit of the doubt until the window closes. If it's a disaster like last year, then I'll join in with the doom and gloom.
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Our transfer strategy is abysmal. We see loads of briefs to the media to create a scene but nothing is happening. Every week there is a new list of targets. On the other hand Chelsea go about their business quickly, and quietly. They have a set list and go out to bring the top quality in. No haggling over payments, or logistics. I know financially we don't want to get screwed but we need quality, and it's hardly like the top quality we should be targeting are old. We can get 4-6 years out of these players. Financially we'll be better off because more quality = more chances for trophies = more revenue = more marketing options. Speculate to accumulate.
No CL puts us in a difficult position. I hope LvG can make a Vidic kind of transfer. A good player on the cusp of great, but still playing for a smallish club, ready to make a step up
Well according to that paper De Telegraaph, that had all the Van Gaal stuff first, we had chats with him in early April. The club even admitted they were tempted to sack Moyes after our abysmal CL game against Olympiakos in February so I wouldn't be surprised if he was contacted even earlier.
I appreciate your reply and I'm all for sarcasm myself but I still think they have had at least 6 weeks to sort deals out.
As for Shaw what are your thoughts on that? It has become common knowledge that he told them of his wish to sign for us on final day of the season. That to me suggests we have been trying to sign him before the season ended. Yes I know he is in Brazil and now they have no manager but what is the hold up? It can only be us refusing to pay asking price imo.
You've got to admire how Chelsea go about their business......I must admit, I am worried not cause we have not signed anyone, just I think the players we are looking at have what appears to be better options than us at mo. If Barca, Madrid and Bayern come knocking, then we haven't a pray....
I think thats the best route.
Well I never wanted Moyes either so we have that in common.
I think Van Gaal is a top top manager but my worry is the man who will be attempting to sign the players he wants. Woodward just fills me with zero confidence.
Didn't say he was. As Scholes says, he's got much to prove.
We need that in addition to a currently great player, not instead of.
May I respectfully disagree? What does anyone on the Caf really know about United's targets? Only what we read in questionable news sources. It wasn't so long ago under Ferguson that any reported transfer was immediately dismissed as drivel on here. Now it seems some believe everything that pops up on twitter.
Agree about the part on quality though. We can definitely use an influx if quality in the squad. Not sure if I completely agree about the part regarding not negotiating over costs though. That sounds reckless.
true, but before hiring our current manager, woody et al knew beforehand that lvg would be very busy elsewhere so there are no excuses.
What if woodward wants us to just compete for top 4, not the tittle. We had a shocking season, but I am sure we all agree that our squad can do much better then finish 7th.
If the aim is to just finish top 4, we will probably sign few young players and hope that van gaal will push us towards top 4.
Signing big players fabregas/kroos/Vidal etc on big wages can be very risky. If we don't finish top 4 next season with all these big players on big wages, I think it will effect the whole club structure and moral. Too many unhappy players/agents.
On other hand if we sign few top young talents (Dutch?).. Even if we don't finish top 4 our clubs affairs will be still under control and steady.
That's a old bit off news, but Dutch telegraaf were the first to break van gaal's news. I think that's were we stand with our transfers.
If the aim is to just finish top 4, we will probably sign few young players and hope that van gaal will push us towards top 4.
Signing big players fabregas/kroos/Vidal etc on big wages can be very risky. If we don't finish top 4 next season with all these big players on big wages, I think it will effect the whole club structure and moral. Too many unhappy players/agents.
On other hand if we sign few top young talents (Dutch?).. Even if we don't finish top 4 our clubs affairs will be still under control and steady.
That's a old bit off news, but Dutch telegraaf were the first to break van gaal's news. I think that's were we stand with our transfers.
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It doesn't help that Woody said we were doing our business early, before the World Cup. And that starts 9pm tonight - clock is ticking Ed!Need to set up a suicide watch for some posters. And it's barely June.
Bloody Hell. First our budget was £200m, then it was £150m and now it's about £80m! That's one and a bit world class players!
that s not an excuse i m afraid, when the club in question is Manchester united. I can see agents using it as a bargaining tactic though
I take your point but under Woodward it's widely known he regularly briefs the media as he wants to build more communication to the fans than during Gill's reign. Sure a lot of stories are questionable. But it does seem that the board / Woodward want to bring in a marquee name. Cavani is the regular name brought up. But Fabregas is a marquee player in a position we need to strengthen. And we went after him last summer. To conclude on Fabregas - it's not so much we didn't get him that frustrates me, it's that by all accounts we didn't try to get him when he was available. This surely means that something is happening behind the scenes but there are mixed messages. The communication which Woody is trying to build is far too confusing, and conflicting because it seems he is deliberately briefing different stories to save face / buy time. That is poor IMO.
I agree that we shouldn't go reckless. But the quality required this summer could be in the form of 3-5 players. This wouldn't be a problem if we bought what was necessary to build a team over time. This goes back to the Ferguson / Gill management when we bought players not in vision of a future world class team, how we will play and for a new era. It should never have come to the point where we need to replace a lot of players all in one summer. This is why I said speculate to accumulate.
Need to set up a suicide watch for some posters. And it's barely June.
It's going to be a long summer. I picture hordes of red faced caftards, eyes popping, veins bulging in temples smashing their F5 buttons to pieces desperately seeking news of a midfield purchase.
I just hope some of these people don't have guns.
Agree on most of your points. Especially that we need to strengthen. However, I still take a grain of salt regarding your points that "Woodward briefs the press continuously" or that the Cavani rumours are true. These things seem to be taken by gospel by some around here, and I'm highly skeptical that it's actually true. Just a difference of opinion really. I still think Woodward is a highly educated, highly competent individual. I mean to get where he is, CEO of Manchester United, I just have to respect that. Wish I could've pulled that off! We'll see how it goes though. As I said in a different post, if this summer is as disastrous as the last, I'll be be right on board with people who are as frustrated. But until the window closes, I'm giving the benefit of the doubt.
Each to their own I suppose. I just hope this doesn't bite us in the back.
In Fabregas they have a player for the next 5 years in the middle.
Wow, this is going to be last summer only worse isn't it.
Let's hope the £30m we're likely to spend on Shaw isn't part of that £80m! £50m to repair the rest of our problems would be scarce to say the least.
I think it is more risky to not buy proven talent. I can't see how we can just be playing for top four. No way that is a choice but it is very realistic more so than us winning the league for sure.
The club needs players, our best midfielder by a mile could not even get in the England WC squad. We are a massive club with huge sponsorship deals which must surely tie in to us being successful. We have lost three big earners in Rio, Vida and Giggs. Now if we just sell that useless tw@t Young then that's a fair amount of money freed up.
Unfortunately the best players get paid big and we have set the bar extremely high with Rooneys huge wages. Players and agents will be aware of this so it's inevitable wage demands will be high.
I don't think Van Gaal can work miracles. We have a very average team in defence and midfield. This was proven last year under Moyes, I think Van Gaal would do better with the same team but not by much especially with the teams above us strengthening.
Chelsea have added a world Class midfielder in Fabregas and signed Matic last year who will just get better. They were so spoilt for choice they could afford to sell us Mata. We were at times relying on a 40 year old and a player coming back from a serious bowel condition. Says it all really.
I must say 80m distinctly sounds more Glazer-like than 200 or even 150m.
United willing to trade Hernandez, Nani or Anderson
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/foot...stars-in-order-to-capture-Miranda-s-signature
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/foot...stars-in-order-to-capture-Miranda-s-signature
Man United ready to offer ‘good money’ for Van Gaal favourite Jordy Clasie [El Confidencial]
http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/m...-gaal-favourite-jordy-clasie-el-confidential/
http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/m...-gaal-favourite-jordy-clasie-el-confidential/
Mirror announce that we are out of the race to sign Fabregas after other papers run stories confirming that he has signed for Chelsea. In related news the Pope is apparently Catholic and bears do us wooded areas to go potty.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footb...ester-united-transfers-edinson-cavani-3678591
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footb...ester-united-transfers-edinson-cavani-3678591
Express transfer gossip
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/foot...-bid-Chelsea-shock-swap-deal-Arsenal-eye-Pato
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/foot...-bid-Chelsea-shock-swap-deal-Arsenal-eye-Pato
I agree with you, as a fan we want to see our club compete for trophies etc.. Us not going gun-ho in transfer market (so far)made me think maybe we will just rebuild our squad over few season rather then just doing it in one transfer window. Which I have no problem with, that's why I suggested maybe woodward is aiming for just top 4 finish with this transfer window signings.
Signings or no signings, I am looking forward to next season. I hope our players have enough pride/passion to erase last seasons miserable performances with a cracking season.
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I glad we didn't stick with Moyes, no we should not alienate LVG but it is not an excuse for our complete lack of transfer activity (seeing as we're probably the team in the world that has most work lined up for that this summer).
I really can't see why we couldn't have put together a solid transferplan with LVG with some work to be done before the worldcup. He may be the Holland coach, but there was a period at the end of the season, things could have gone much quicker than they did, and even after that there was a decent window of time where some of the club executives like Woodward with support from Fergie and LVG could have discussed a good transferstrategy, or atleast the foundations of one. Honestly how long could it take, on a free day, lovely hotel, a couple of drinks, few hours discussing the big lines of LVG's vision for the team next season and idenfying which profiles he required, going over the list of targets that already was at United (and may have had some work done on them) and adding a couple of his own targets with back up options. Taking that back to the drawing board at OT and identfying some deals that could wrapped up before the worldcup and moving heaven and hearth to get atleast one or two done before the worldcup and already laying the foundations for the majority of the other targets that would stretch beyond the worldcup, so most of our dealings could have been rounded up before we departed on pre-season, with maybay 1 or two still in the pipeline after that.
Woodward and the club in general is just not good at this stuff.
Do you realise you're saying we haven't done things when you're not in a position to know anything at all?
I'am not saying anything of the sort, but it is clear we didn't manage to finialise any deals before the world cup. So that means we either didn't do anything because we are still waiting for LVG to come into office or if we had a plan to bring someone in before the world cup we messed up. Either way, I'am not happy with it.
We'll never get the majority of the deals signed up before we leave on pre-season, or atleast I'll be greatly surspised if we do. Meaning we're likely to go into next season without a proper preparement, at worst we're likley to miss out like we did last summer.
Nobody was happy about what happend last summer, but this season, everybody was convinced things would be dealt with differntley, we all expected early business from United, nothing happend, World cup has started, nothing will happen whilst that is going on, we already missed out on a load of interesting players that are now at other clubs, turning out to be highly similar to last summer. ofcourse summer ain't over yet, alot can still happen, but at this time, the feeling about it is as bad it could be. You'd have to be naive to think United will suddenly have wrapped up 4 or 5 players when the worldcup end to bring them on pre-season, you'd have to be utterly naive.
Big call this!
Let me remind you few facts:
Woodward last season:
SAF chose moyes
A squad in need off some signings
SAF unhealthy influence after his retirement
Player power during moyes era
Where we stand now:
Appointment off top manager (sacking moyes)
SAF left out from major decision making (according to media reports)
Likes off rio/vidic gone and few more will follow (breaking up player power)
Keeping giggs in coaching staff (for our identity)
I hope I made it clear with my awkward post that woodward had/has a tuff job on his hand, so far he is doing the rite things. To ignore all the club structure building and getting annoyed over not signing someone before World Cup is a bit silly.
I understand your frustration, we all want some top signings. But at least give the man a chance - just don't judge hime over signings, which I am sure with the help off van gaal he will just do fine.Why would offloading any of those three have an impact on our signing Miranda?
All of your second paragraph in the original post is wild speculation. All of that could have happened except for the deals being finalised. Why would they not meet and discuss things? Are they all idiots and never done football transfers before? Come on. Use some sense.
And you're right. We've not finalised anything yet. The second sentence aren't the only options either. We could have planned to bring someone in but they changed their mind or got a better offer. How is that us messing up if it's a player decision that has nothing to do with us?