If he is available for 25M then we better be all over him.
Manchester United transfer news and rumours for summer 2014
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The worst thing is that ppl will believe it and in the end add thos completely unrealistic players to the list Woody failed to get.
It has already happened with Müller and Schweinsteiger. Just because we get linked to everyone and his dog doesn't mean we really tried to get them.
Yep it's looking more and more likely that we won't be able to buy our way back to the top in one Summer. It's going to take some hard work and a bit of patience. Hopefully we at least manage to bring 2 or 3 players that will make us better even if they aren't world class.
Shaw, Schneiderlin and McCarthy would be good signings imo. Not superstars but good young players who are willing to learn and would make us a better team. Once we get back in the top 4 we might be in a better position to add one world class CM to the group.
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I've just been thinking about everything that's gone on over the last week with Shaw and Kroos. It doesn't make a lot of sense on the face of it but it's got me thinking perhaps they are actually done deals.
Think about it, both were nailed on signing for us and then as soon as the deals were apparently done, cold water was poured on and now nothing is said about them. Have the club and player agreed to keep quiet whilst the world cup is on to keep them out of the spotlight? I think this is a real possibility the more I think about it.
If this is what has happened then the rest makes sense.
Think about it, both were nailed on signing for us and then as soon as the deals were apparently done, cold water was poured on and now nothing is said about them. Have the club and player agreed to keep quiet whilst the world cup is on to keep them out of the spotlight? I think this is a real possibility the more I think about it.
If this is what has happened then the rest makes sense.
Shaw maybe, not Kroos
I love your optimism I really do. But I am the opposite, I don't believe we will get Kroos or Shaw. The loss of CL football is bigger than we think. Yes we are Manchester United, but if another huge club comes in for anyone of our targets then I don't see any other outcome but them signing for the other club. As other posters have stated I believe we will sign up and coming players that won't cost the earth and build again. I am normally very negative this time of year and until it's confirmed on BBC or SSN and then their sat next to Woody with a pen in their hand then I just don't believe any speculation any more.
As I said before I really do hope your right
Really don't think champ league as anything to do with it. Is someone really suggesting to me that Man Utd wants to sign you, and they'd say no because we are out a competition for one season? Its ridiculous just thinking about it.....
Nah, it's really not. There are no guarantees we'll be back in and if they can get the money elsewhere and still play in the CL, often in a nicer environment than Manchester, I'm sure it's a decision plenty of them will make. Even when we've been in the CL we've been turned down by more than our fair share of big name players.
That's not what I was saying, I was saying that if we are up against another big club that has CL football, then that player will most likely choose the CL club over us this summer. Like the Shaw saga, if Chelsea match our fee and wages do you think he will choose us over Chelsea?
I would think we would at least put a statement on the website if they had been done deals, so as to placate the fans a little bit after all the fuss last summer and with season ticket renewal time
For midfield I'd be happy with any of the following players-Lars Bender, Ander Iturasspe, Ander Herrera and Strootman who's recovering from injury and may not be an option in this window. All the players mentioned are realistic signings and Bilbao may prove hard to deal with but the mentioned players would make our midfield much stronger and we would hold our own in a midfield battle against the best the EPL can offer. The Dutch tabloids are saying Van Gaal will look to the Bundesliga for new players and I wouldn't be surprised if he's got his eye on Lars Bender from Leverkusen.
This. Many targets have the chance to play CL at their current clubs or have offers from clubs offering CL. I suspect that quite a number of them are carefully watching United's development, and as soon as you're back on the European stage, you will be again a sought-after club for them and many others.
Mats Hummels described nicely the three groups of players as he perceives them. Since he grew up inhaling the professional football world (father is a manager, mother is a sports journalist), is an active player these days, and doesn't care what the media thinks of him and his statements, I perceive him as being a rather reliable source.
For me, it makes very little sense. What does the idea of announcing now that a player has switched clubs have to do with the upcoming World Cup? It's not the first time a player would be signing for a big club before a World Cup. Chicharito had been there in 2010 and you could imagine how big that was for a Mexican player to make a straight jump into a big club; Mexican and a number of American media were probably all over him quickly.
There's no guarantees anyway or that like city for a couple of seasons you don't make it to the knock out stage. What then? The truth of the matter being turned down covers a multitude of reasons in general.
If you think about it logically, football is a job for most footballers. You look a number of reasons to whether you move or not, and trust me champs league is way down the list. Nobody IMO is going to let the overriding decision to stay or move if two big clubs come in for you on CL. Your not committing to a 4 year contract based on a trophy that there are no guarantees you'll qualify for each year.
You'll find the single biggest issue is whether the wife likes the city your moving to or not.....!!
Like I said, City had no CL but still managed to sign great players......
In one of the latest Leverkusen fan magazines Lars Bender is quoted along the lines that he's tired to be linked to a departure as he still holds loyalty to his current club high, and that he wouldn't have extended his contract if he isn't happy at Leverkusen.
Where's that James Mcarthy thread...
We struggled to sign alot of players with CL football and with Fergie at the helm, look at Liverpool.. how many truly great names have they signed? and they are 5 time european cup winners.
English football on the whole doesn't really attract the really sexy big names in football, players who are at their peak and feel the desire to move to England in order to achieve their dreams whilst already at a big club. Our best chances usually lie with discarded top players who aren't really needed.. or up and coming talent. That is why I find the idea of Kroos coming here quite preposterous considering he plays in most of Bayern's big games, likewise Robben. Even the Dortmund duo of Reus and Hummels, it seems far-fetched.
We would struggle to get these names even at our peak, right now with the future looking uncertain.. massive risk for these players to want to move to another country and play for a team where there are no guarantees will be in the top 4 and where a major rebuild is needed. Alot of money is needed to even tempt these guys into negotiation.
We need to be smart in terms of transfer strategy, yes we need to look for pace, power, tactical intelligence, technical ability but we can't just go for the established names from the best clubs - just isn't going to work. These players are worshipped, they're more than happy where they are, they're challenging for titles and they play in systems of football which bring the best out of them and are more advanced than anything United is capable of in our current guise. They also live in their home nation, or in culture they are comfortable with and surrounded by family/friends. You need to have a serious pull to draw these talents away, which we don't have in my opinion unless there is crazy money to back it up.
Targets:
Shaw
Barkley
Vertonghen
I think these are the type of players we can definitely get if we put the money in, obviously there are still major gaps in the squad that still need filling but if there is a big player from a big club which we should try to get.. it is someone like Alexis Sanchez, but realistically we need to set our sights a little lower in order to improve the Wings/CM position and get ourselves back into CL football and properly rebuild from there.
Leverkusen would talk if we put in a significant bid
Should we brace ourselves for a repeat of last summer, especially with the World Cup fast approaching? I.e. A series of failed bids for high profile players before an underwhelming deadline day signing to appease the fans?
It's not about Leverkusen, mate: It's about Bender.
Obviously, he's not interested in a move this year, and this interview was weeks before he got injured which will most likely not allow him to get fit for the beginning season.
Don't think Fellaini appeased the fans.
But I don't see any other outcome to be fair, the Glazers won't part with £150m+ will they? And that's the only thing going for us this summer is high transfer fee and huge wages.
Hang on a minute, guys, I am getting something here...
Yeah. They're not on the list. Courtesy of muppet instinct.
Yeah. They're not on the list. Courtesy of muppet instinct.
No, it didn't appease, but it was an attempt to. Failed miserably to sign Fabregas, failed miserably to buy Baines / Fellaini for a knock-down joint price, the hilariously bungled last day attempts to sign Herrera (wasn't even enough time to fly our own people over so had to use an intermediary)......what can we do? I'm sure Everton will sell Fellaini if we offer them £27m...we have to sign someone.
I really hope the Dutch national team get knocked out early now so LvG can get this debacle sorted out ASAP. I have a horrible feeling that we may see a repeat of last summer's madness.
Well that's fair enough, but the point I was making in my earlier post was that we don't need to go for the big names, because there is players out there who are available and are on the cusp of being World Class and would cost less aswell.
I already hate this window.
Maybe you need it double glazed.
Anyone is available if you are willing to splash the cash. Just look at City before they were in the Champions League.
I see, got it now.
This is what we at United need to learn once and for all when we really need a particular player to fill a particular need.
I'l be very surprised if we spend a huge sum on numerous players now that LvG has become the manager. I already thought we wouldnt spend anywhere close to the 150mil when Moyes was in charge, always thought it would be less than 100mil. Now with LvG, think we'l just sign a CM, a LB and maybe a CB. That's it.
Much as I dislike the Glazers, they did allow Moyes to spend £64m on Fellaini and Mata last summer. And sanction a £60M/year contract for Rooney. That's a tremendous amount of money.
The club spent around £60M in 12/13 on the likes of Kagawa, Van Persie, Zaha, Powell and Buttner. And the year before that we spent around £52M on De Gea, Jones and Young.
While our transfer spending has been prudent, you can't accuse the Glazers of being close-fisted.
On a personal note, I really think we should move Rooney on - he has gotten to the point where he becomes bigger than the club, something that Sir Alex would never allow to happen, and his salary will have a knock on effect on the rest of the team and any eventual signings.
If anything, Van Gaal would be a muppet's worst nightmare. Aside to bringing through young players, his transfer records at Barcelona and Bayern mostly ends in a positive balance for the club:
1st stint Barcelona:
2nd stint Barcelona :
Bayern :
I get the feeling that this was one of the factors considered by Woodward in his managerial search.
If anything, Van Gaal would be a muppet's worst nightmare. Aside to bringing through young players, his transfer records at Barcelona and Bayern mostly ends in a positive balance for the club:
1st stint Barcelona:
2nd stint Barcelona :
Bayern :
I get the feeling that this was one of the factors considered by Woodward in his managerial search.
Woodward isn't stupid. He knows if we don't make some much needed signings we'll have little chance of returning to the pinnacle, which would be disastrous for United the brand. I'm sure he'll pressurise van Gaal into make a substantial signing or two. The rest he'll probably fill with youth prospects.
The fans can wait. If the players would rather keep it on the quiet for now then we should respect their wishes. This is all hypothetical of course.
At Barca and Bayern he brought through fantastic young players and it would've been silly to spend millions of £££ on players when you have young players ready to step up.Much as I dislike the Glazers, they did allow Moyes to spend £64m on Fellaini and Mata last summer. And sanction a £60M/year contract for Rooney. That's a tremendous amount of money.
The club spent around £60M in 12/13 on the likes of Kagawa, Van Persie, Zaha, Powell and Buttner. And the year before that we spent around £52M on De Gea, Jones and Young.
While our transfer spending has been prudent, you can't accuse the Glazers of being close-fisted.
On a personal note, I really think we should move Rooney on - he has gotten to the point where he becomes bigger than the club, something that Sir Alex would never allow to happen, and his salary will have a knock on effect on the rest of the team and any eventual signings.
If anything, Van Gaal would be a muppet's worst nightmare. Aside to bringing through young players, his transfer records at Barcelona and Bayern mostly ends in a positive balance for the club:
1st stint Barcelona:
2nd stint Barcelona :
Bayern :
I get the feeling that this was one of the factors considered by Woodward in his managerial search.
City are the absolute worst example you can come up with. They are financed by oil money and do not care much for sustainability.
The fact is that before the Chelski and Man Citeh being financed by sugar daddies, our club is THE biggest spending club. There is rarely another club that can gazump us to the top players that we are after, the only exception being that the players themselves choose to join another club over personal reasons, such as Alan Shearer. Otherwise our club has routinely broken transfer records when there is a player that we really want.
The only difference between then and now is that we no longer hold the power in negotiations like we used to. In the past, we can play hard ball. The agents and selling clubs have pretty much no choice but to play by our rules - if we aren't willing to stump up the outrageous agent fees and signing fees there isn't much other clubs they can flog their players to. Nowadays, the agents can get their clients fat contracts and bumper fees at Man Citeh, Chelski or even PSG. If the players are considered the amongst the world best, the prospective clubs expand to include Barcelona and Real Madrid.
The only way we sign good, in-demand players till recently is that the players really want to play for Man Utd. Van Persie for example, he choose Man Utd because he believed he would win trophies under Sir Alex. Kagawa pretty much said the same thing. The likes of Jones also grew up in the era where we dominated, and the allure of being coached by Sir Alex was also a big factor for him.
It's just a theory but I could give you reasons. Kroos might not want it announced because of the added pressure. How will the Bayern fans react? What's the point in risking a backlash?
Shaw also might not want the added pressure and the limelight.
Two buys in midfield are a must, I don't care how good LvG is he will find it tough going if that area of the team is not substantially reinforced.
You can argue that Evra staying on negates the need to get a LB this summer, or that Jones/Smalling/Evans/Keane will get their shot as the CB's and that we don't need a wide attacker, but the CM acquisitions are a must.
You can argue that Evra staying on negates the need to get a LB this summer, or that Jones/Smalling/Evans/Keane will get their shot as the CB's and that we don't need a wide attacker, but the CM acquisitions are a must.
Anyone expecting Utd to go out and spend anything close to £200m this summer alone is living in dreamland, it's far more likely - if that figure is even correct - that spending would be staggered over a couple of windows.
There's no chance the club will make a capital investment of 150-200m in one go and swallow the increase in operating costs at the same time. That's before you even consider whether the players you want are available or not.
If we don't sign a CM I'm going to assume he's going with an experimental new 4-1-5 formation or something.
There's no chance the club will make a capital investment of 150-200m in one go and swallow the increase in operating costs at the same time. That's before you even consider whether the players you want are available or not.
If we don't sign a CM I'm going to assume he's going with an experimental new 4-1-5 formation or something.
Correct, in hindsight the players he brought through are indeed fantastic young players. but my point stands that LvG hasn't got the "record" of signing players. His first stint at Barca he pretty much bought most of the Dutch team over, such as Bogarde, Cocu, De Boer brothers, Zenden and Kluivert. Of course they are good players (at that time), but he doesn't have much of a transfer record despite being at clubs that can attract star players should he desire.
Also, please do note that I'm saying is not a negative thing. I personally do not mind seeing the a "Class of 2013" with the likes of Junazaj, Wilson, Lawrence, Pearson, Rothwell, Janko, Lingard, and Keane brothers.
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