I think I'd rather keep Mata than Rooney
Manchester United transfer news and rumours for summer 2014
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Or any other few qualities we have currently.
Why sell him for £40m after just signing him for £38m? It wouldn't make sense. Bullshit story Mata is going nowhere.
@Empire I think we don't need further proof than the whole of last season for everyone to understand that Rooney is totally unfit to be the number 10/shadow striker. LVG shouldn't expect too much from Rooney, especially when the latter has "consistently" shown that "positional discipline" and "sticking to a plan" are not featuring in his vocabulary.
Seriously, I would rather put Rooney in the hot seat, and sell him first rather than selling the younger and fitter Mata if it comes down to that. For the record, Mata has shown he can take plenty of games under his belt without getting injured; his record at pre-Mourinho Chelsea is unbelievable.
Seriously, I would rather put Rooney in the hot seat, and sell him first rather than selling the younger and fitter Mata if it comes down to that. For the record, Mata has shown he can take plenty of games under his belt without getting injured; his record at pre-Mourinho Chelsea is unbelievable.
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Rooney's not as bad as you suggest. He is very well rounded who will give everything for the team, therefore LvG could be a fan. Louis might feel he could get the most out of him or he might hate his guts, we just don't know. All I am saying is that if Louis is quite sure an expensive player isn't to his preference and he received a very good offer for him, it needs to be considered.
If Luiz is worth 50m, then Mata is worth at least 70 
best news ive heard all week!!
The best thing about denials is now the media don't know which midfielders we are in for at all. All focus had been on the obvious choices
Indeed. Although unfortunately the marketing dept don't agree. It will bite us in the arse in a few years not cashing in now, especially if he had s decent world cup.
For the rest of the shenanigans that have happened lat few days, I'm glad cesc is not on our list, I'm very sceptical of his drop in form, and especially his work rate in last few years, I still think he's a very good midfielder just not as good (for us) as his price tag will be. Re kroos, I've been saying for months this deal would never happen, it looks like it got closer than I imagined it would, but he would only be joining us for one reason, money. I fear he'd be being a mercenary coming here and would probably do to us what he had done to Bayern in years to come.
We need to be smart this year, the Hollywood signing was never going to happen this year with no europe, we need up and coming talent. We need to trust van gaal in this...
I'm pretty sure Mata will be first choice.
Cue in for the 'I'm happy at Bayern and don't want to move' from Shweinsteiger.
I will be absolutely devastated if Mata goes and LVG plays Rooney where Mata should be playing (and would do a far, far better job than Rooney). Mata is world class and it makes no sense whatsoever to get rid of him.
LvG only has to see how much chemistry (or lack of it) has developed between RvP and Rooney in 2 full seasons.
Van Gaal want Christian Eriksen .
It'll be interesting if Kagawa will stay. Don't get me wrong, he won't return to Dortmund but if he feels LvG doesn't rate him, I expect him to move. He's too old to waist another year.
Eh? Another #10?
Source ?
FFS not another saga with Levy stroking his own ego again
Good player of course, but makes no sense for us.
I wouldn't mind Luiz Gustavo here. Maybe LVG has him in mind? Although we haven't been linked with him.
Oh yeah Gustavo would be ace. Almost forgotten in the heap of more prominent targets.
At the moment, I think the press don't have a clue who we're after. It seemed to be that under Moyes, they had a pretty good idea of who we might be chasing, but not many, if any, of those are seemingly on van Gaal's list. Therefore we're just being linked with any player who has a vague connection to him. This could be that they're Dutch, or have worked with him previously, or even have just played for a Club in Holland at some point.
The one I've seen us linked with that I'm pretty sure we'd be after is Strootman (once recovered from injury). Again, that's just a hunch. His injury complicates things as I'm not sure if it leaves scope to get it done in this window, but I think it's more unlikely Roma would sell in January.
One thing seems certain; If you're not on the van Gaal list, you're not coming in.
The one I've seen us linked with that I'm pretty sure we'd be after is Strootman (once recovered from injury). Again, that's just a hunch. His injury complicates things as I'm not sure if it leaves scope to get it done in this window, but I think it's more unlikely Roma would sell in January.
One thing seems certain; If you're not on the van Gaal list, you're not coming in.
Schweinsteiger-Fabregas
Schweinsteiger-Carvalho
Schweinsteiger-Strootman
Schweinsteiger-Fellaini
Shaqiri? As an option for a winger if we (hopefully) sell Young
Final two years of his contract, plays primarily on the right but can play left too.
Final two years of his contract, plays primarily on the right but can play left too.
I can feel an extremely frustrating summer up ahead.
It's hardly surprising that the press have no clue who he'll be going after considering how long he's been in the job.
Moyes on the other hand was clearly lining things up in January.
Obviously we will only be on fir players Van Gaal rates. No point appointing him and not letting him get his own players in.
Gustavo has an exit clause of €25m and said that he'll consider the options of staying at Wolfsburg or leaving once the WC is over.
I would definitely rather keep Mata than Rooney, no thinking required.
Totally agree, but it feels that even more so than normal, they are literally writing anything to fill the United column inches. Stuff like this sells papers I understand, but it's frustrating that most of it seems to have little or more often no substance to it whatsoever.
That would be a fair price for him. He's at a good age and he has played under LVG before, so that would be a advantage. I remember De Telegraaf saying LVG will go back to Germany to buy players, so Gustavo makes sense to me.
Of course he is, there's no way we're going to sign some of the players the media are linking us to.
We will definitely not be signing any of the Bayern players or players from any other big teams unless said players and unhappy and have handed in transfer requests. Why would they even want to join us? We can't offer European football and we've got a squad that didn't even look like performing to the levels they should have last year. You'd have to be insane to join us from a team like Bayern. Regardless of how much money is involved.
We're best off targeting the big players at smaller teams and next season (once we're back in Europe) go for the bigger players at bigger teams and their teams resolve.
English media is a big joke, they are just guessing and when they realize nobody believes them, they saying van Gaal don't want him^^
I am pretty sure none of these players are our targets, 1st July is still a good step away, van Gaal hasn't worked as United coach so far, yeah we will do some business or looking for deals already, but I don't expect much before the World cup, even if there is a done deal like Shaw, it won't be announced before the WC.
I am pretty sure none of these players are our targets, 1st July is still a good step away, van Gaal hasn't worked as United coach so far, yeah we will do some business or looking for deals already, but I don't expect much before the World cup, even if there is a done deal like Shaw, it won't be announced before the WC.
The thing with Gustavo is that he's very keen on European football which he has guaranteed next season with Wolfsburg and United couldn't offer. That's what is publicly known.
A friend of his is every now and then active in a German football forum and wrote that Gustavo would love his kid (almost 1 year old) to grow up in Germany; that was one important reason for him to stay in the Bundesliga and decline offers from England and Italy last summer. He could change his mind though or "commute" like Podolski does whose wife and son live in Germany, too, IIRC.
A friend of his is every now and then active in a German football forum and wrote that Gustavo would love his kid (almost 1 year old) to grow up in Germany; that was one important reason for him to stay in the Bundesliga and decline offers from England and Italy last summer. He could change his mind though or "commute" like Podolski does whose wife and son live in Germany, too, IIRC.
Stop believing that the club is targeting every name the media links us to.
I think the reason why a lot of us are getting impatient is that all winter we've been reading how we will 'tie up X amount of players before the WC because the club has learnt their lesson from last summer'.
And now it's certain we will have to wait till mid-July.
To be fair, the difference between playing in the Europa League and not playing in Europe at all is not that big, if there is any at all. There's no way he'd reject the chance to join us and play under Van Gaal again as we're by far the bigger club.
saw a Schweinsteiger story today!
How many Bayern players are they going to link us to in one window?
We are Not getting any first team regulars from Bayern. It seems mental to even have to write that!
How many Bayern players are they going to link us to in one window?
We are Not getting any first team regulars from Bayern. It seems mental to even have to write that!
Cue someone pointing out it's still May.
Cue someone else pointing out the World Cup will make most of June tricky to sign anyone.
Then the sea of top players issuing denials to our supposed interest.
And basically starting with the same squad as last year bar the exits
I totally understand that this is how the vast majority of United fans see the world. The point is that this is not necessarily how players see it, and that the situation can change.
Nobody knows how Gustavo really sees the world but the main reason for him turning offers from Arsenal etc down last summer was that he wanted guaranteed field time to be able to be in Scolari's WC squad; he had talked to Scolari who advised him on moving to a club with maximum field time. In Wolfsburg, this was a given, at Arsenal, it wasn't. Wolfsburg had no European football whatsoever, AFC even CL. Qualifying for the WC had the highest priority for Gustavo that summer. And this summer? Time will tell. (Besides we don't know how Gustavo liked working with LvG.)
This sounds sensible, until you realise Woodward seems to think briefing the press is a clever way to run things, and this supposed "list" is likely to have a lot of the players being bandied around in the press on it, and worryingly they all seem to be saying no!