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Manchester United Sign Anthony Martial!
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To be fair Rooney adapted to that!
I think its a mix of both. Our strikers were in decline however our slow paced football made thing more difficult for them to score. It gives all the time in the world for defenders to organize themselves and put more bodies at the back. I cant see how Martial who seem to rely heavily on pace will be able to change that.
Our current system requires a mobile striker with the skills to beat a defender. None of the ones we had were capable of that, I don't believe Rooney has it either. If Martial can do this, he'll succeed.
Is the France game on TV in the UK?
As far as i can see, no.
Not sure what you mean, who are those 36-40 year olds?
The Soccerex 20 Football Value Index valued John Stones at £0.5M more... Chelsea just had a similar size bid for him than we paid for Martial rejected.
People still clinging on to the £56 million figure or have they realized its £22 million as it stands?
I much doubt it TBH. The ball takes too much time to move from defence to midfield. By the time its upfront, the opposition has 5-6 defenders. That's nasty stuff for any striker
We have enough attackers going forward, it isn't as if the striker is isolated vs all these defenders. Till the execution improves enough for us to create more chances, individual quality wouldn't go amiss.
Ah yes, our poor strikers and players held back by big bad lvg and his evil tactics. Some think players are instructed not to dribble because of him. Thing is, the way to make possession football more penetrative is by adding players who can run at defenders and in behind them. Depay and Martial are a step in this direction. Will he team time to get used to the system? Maybe. Does that mean a quick forward is inherently wrong for a possession based system? Nope.
Where has £22m come from? Everything I've seen says £36m, rising to £50m+.
I'm actually fine with the add-ons... if he wins Ballon d'or, nobody is going to be grumbling that we paid over £50m for him. It's the basic part that seems ridiculous... but if it's "only" £22m that's a lot more reasonable.
Pretty sure £36m is the base price excluding add ons.
Yeah, just had a quick search of the caf - it seems we've paid £22m up-front, and then pay off the other £14m over 4 years.
A bit laughable that people are using this to claim he's only cost us a basic price of £22m - presumably all those people buy their electrical goods from Brighthouse and think they've got a bargain!
In fairness the details of the deal are not crystal clear. Noone has come out and spelled it out, and there is certainly a chance that people have misunderstood it. After all, the likely conversion of the two confirmed €10m add-ons that the Monaco guy mentioned do add up to a total fee of £36m. Are these really on top of additional slices? They might be but would be interesting to confirm it. It's certainly been mentioned in the press that it could go up to $80m but there doesn't seem to be a definitive source on this.
Like most big transfers the payments are staggered for the deal. It's:
- 30m Euros upfront.
- 5m Euros each year for the next four
Then there are 3 add-on clauses:
- 10m Euros when the player scores 25 goals for us
- 10m Euros if he is able to get 25+ caps for France by 2019
- 10m Euros if he wins the D'or.
50m Euros, or 70m Euros easily achievable, is madness on so many levels for a 19 years who has had one full season at Monaco. Has made only 49 appearances for them and only started and finished a game 8 times in his career. Here I thought that City paying £49m for only a year older Sterling, who has had 3 seasons in the top flight and is a full English international, is exorbitant.
Let's hope the kid turns out everything we have gambled for. Also, we see him as 19 year old talented youngster who would need time to shine, not as a savior for a very thin Manchester United attack.
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Can't help but agree with all this.
City have their mains men in attack already, and can afford to spend silly money on potential. Our priorities should have been very different.
And only the most rose-tinted view could claim that Martial is on the same level as Sterling in terms of the sort of fee they should be commanding.
56 million lol, and we laughed at City for 50m sterling for sterling. Now this is insane. But at least we now know we can get a player when we really want him. Yes there are exceptions but trippled initial offer for Martial is just... watche 105m for Kane in Jan...
The club will have scouted him probably for years. They have absolute faith in him to the point we sold Hernandez. Many won't be able to understand that now (I certainly don't), but the price is immaterial. People need to understand this isn't about one transfer. People are talking about it and when you have young talents coming through - we want to be at the front of the queue. To do that, we have to get deals done. We've shown great ambition and great faith in him. The media will word it in such a way to create a stir and I'd rather Monaco said nothing but this is the domino effect. You won't always over pay but sometimes you have to. Sometimes you'll get bargains. Most people understand that if he scores or even plays well against Liverpool, that it will be forgotten. If we lose? People will moan about us not buying more players. That's life. Not seen him play to be honest but looking forward to it.
People were wrong to laugh at Sterlings price btw. As they were with Bale. It's about what they can do on the pitch for the team and Sterling will cause us a problem when we face city. We have to improve the player and i'm sure we will and i'm sure we will spend big again in the future to get things done. If Liverpool would have sold Sterling to us? I'd pay the money no problem.
People were wrong to laugh at Sterlings price btw. As they were with Bale. It's about what they can do on the pitch for the team and Sterling will cause us a problem when we face city. We have to improve the player and i'm sure we will and i'm sure we will spend big again in the future to get things done. If Liverpool would have sold Sterling to us? I'd pay the money no problem.
80 million for a Danny Welbeck clone. I cannot believe what I'm reading.
Monaco have scammed us good and proper. Unbelievable stuff.
Monaco have scammed us good and proper. Unbelievable stuff.
Always easy to bring youngsters in when you have a few older heads in the attack, especially now when the league is so brutal and even the mid-table and bottom teams are no pushovers. In our case, we would be throwing him straight into the ring, and hoping he performs. Too much pressure on a young kid. Fingers crossed that he is upto to it, or may be Rooney and Mata will pick up the mantle so that we can ease the guy in.
36m at the moment, though it seems quite likely that the transfer will reach around 50m. The only way it will reach 56m is if Martial wins Ballon D'Or.
Still, it is seriously overpaying for him.
None of us know ape shit about Martial so to comment about the wisdom of the signing or its fee is a bit stupid to say the least. Lets watch the boy play a few matches for us first.
Only idiots laughed at City paying 50m for Sterling. You can be sure as feck they won't be laughing come end of the season when he's picking up his winners medal.
If Martial is as good as him, we'll be ones to doing the laughing soon enough.
If Martial is as good as him, we'll be ones to doing the laughing soon enough.
I get this horrible feeling he will be going on loan this time next year
That is reason enough to believe that the fee is excessive and we got robbed.
Whether it turns out stupid or not, only time will tell.
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well you would wouldnt you? You capable of other feelings?
Please tell me you are wumming?
It is silly money to be fair. The three add-ons look ok to me, but the £36m basic is pretty crazy.
Still, happy to have him.
Still, happy to have him.
I believe RMC personally and Boussufa, who was on it all the time. They said Golden boy, top scorer and Ballon D'Or for the clauses, not 25 goals and 25 caps.
Given his tagline I'm afraid he isn't.
What have you seen in Martial to say he will be better than Welbeck?
Welbeck was a very exciting talent at 19 too
Again its 22 million basic, but who gives a feck about facts and reading eh?
Not at all. 36m is gauranteed.
22m up front and then installments up to 36.
The rest is performance related.
Hard to be certain but it does look like Monaco will definitely get €50m (eventually), will almost certainly get €60m, will probably get €70m, could conceivably get €80m.
Crazy money. We obviously think values are only going up, which could well be the case based on the TV money. Still.
Negative, he is unfortunately serious. His Griezmann dream died, he lost it the last few weeks.
Well first off he hasnt cost 80 million. I dont know if he is better than Welbeck but Danny wasnt getting raved about as much as this lad seems to be.
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