Doesn't seem much of a swipe at United, more about the current state of the player market.
Manchester United Sign Anthony Martial!
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Doesn't seem much of a swipe at United, more about the current state of the player market.
Januzaj was that good under Moyes. He was our best player. Kid still has talent he's just struggled under LVG
We messed about with Welbecks progression by wasting him out on the wings. I'll say about Welbeck what @Sam said about Martial. Welbeck should've been played as a striker to sharpen his finishing. The one season (11/12) he played as striker he scored 13 goals.
I can't really see the Welbeck comparisons beyond the obvious, Martial seems a lot sharper (for want of a better word) and direct, Welbeck had that lazier look when moving forward with the ball.
One of my favourite things I've seen of him so far is at about the 4:30m mark in this vid when he hits an instinctive left-footed volley after having had no time to prepare for it. Feck knows if it was even going in before getting blocked but he caught hold of it well enough and on his wrong foot too
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One of my favourite things I've seen of him so far is at about the 4:30m mark in this vid when he hits an instinctive left-footed volley after having had no time to prepare for it. Feck knows if it was even going in before getting blocked but he caught hold of it well enough and on his wrong foot too
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Well said.
This. We need a strong pacy striker with good technique and hunger to lead us up front, which is not easy to find one these days. And we've got one great potential in Martial, why waste him on wings?
Play up top is the proper thing to do but with Rooney being captain it causes even more problems now. Rooney has to be played as a #10 with Martial up top, which means only one of Bastian and Herrera can start and we would essentially be converting into a 2 man central midfield or with Rooney dropping deeper to play as a 3 man midfield. That is not we want. The easier thing is play Martial on the right but this lad seems to have a lot of potential and with quality around him he can definitely score 15 goals playing as a striker for us this season.
Has to play through the middle, plays his best football there or drifting to the left sticking him on the right wing would be stupid. Play him up top and move Rooney to the number ten role, we played januzaj there and he wasn't really a midfielder and I think Rooney will be better there than as a striker.
Remember that at 19 Welbeck was considered to be a potential "next Henry". Martial seems much stronger and a more accomplished dribbler than Danny was at that age. He doesn't appear to become Bambi on ice in the final third either.
If you are looking for someone with the potential to be a modern "complete" striker, he seems to check most of the boxes. I hope we end up paying out every penny of the transfer fee.
Nah Welbeck was the next Henry when we sold him to Arsenal
Not sure how anyone is getting welbeck out of that. Other then a similar hair cut and skin colour. He's fast, like welbeck, but he seems much more purposeful and has a lot more natural talent on the ball. Welbeck wasn't great at going past players with dribbling and he didn't have a great touch, unlike martial. Also, Martial is by all accounts, composed in front of goal, and has a very good shooting technique. Welbeck can't shoot worth shit. They are worlds apart talent and potential wise IMO.
If we're playing Martial up front, I'd rather we just drop Rooney. His football is nowhere near good enough to be our number 10 right now, and I'd rather see us use either Herrera or Mata in that role.
Januzaj has loads of talent, but hasn't been strong mentally so far and is still pushed over really easily. Martial looks incredibly talented on the ball, along with being tall, really fast and strong. Actually looks like he has Shaw levels of pace. And combining that natural ability which welbeck didn't have, along with physical attributes that welbeck did (and some balance), has the makings of an amazing player.
One of the french posters confirmed he's not incredibly quick (like Shaw) but his acceleration is impressive nevertheless.
Hmm. Seemed to be ridiculously fast from all the videos and the 3-4 times I've seen him. There's that one clip in the arsenal game from last season where he outpaces bellerin with the ball, and bellerin is ridiculously fast.
What impresses me about him from the extensive knowledge I've gained of him watching two youtube clips is that he seems like a strong kid. If he can adapt to the league and learn to play with back to goal in the premier league, he'll add a lot to our team.
Yep. Watched the game against PSG last weekend, and he seemed to cope with thiago silva and David Luiz fine physically. And they don't come more physical then that. Of course they lost 3-0, but martial individually did pretty well and held up the ball well and got past players well. He's only 19, but if he can cope with them playing as a lone striker at that age, while having the natural ability and proper mentality, then I'd say he has it all to become a top player.
no it's a swipe , he said it about this guy named christiano ronaldo , then spent almost the same on fheo fheo fheo.
It was me who said that, but I'm not a great judge of pace. He has an incredible acceleration and is obviously very quick but I'm not sure that he is among the fastest players.
I know nothing about this kid apart from he's supposedly rapid. Must say it'll make a change to see a pacy United forward scaring defenders.
Heh, it causes Bellerin to get a yellow from that same ref that tore strips off Januzaj.
Spot on. My guess though is that, until LVG sees Rooney as droppable, Martial will play wide.
Glad Im not the only one who didnt see anything out of order. Headlines designed to make us click on stories yet again.
Yep. Think his raw attributes like his pace, power and ability to run with the ball and get past players will have a huge impact alone. Memphis has these, but he's the only one in our midfield and forward line with it. It's easy to block him out and cut off his runs, and our attacking threat is gone. Having Martial and Memphis doing this makes it so much harder for the opposition and it stretches them, giving more space and options for both Mata and Rooney to move into and pick out passes. Simply the type of player he is, ignoring his age end probably inconsistent end product because of the age, will be a huge plus to the rest of our forward line. Or at least it should, in theory.
Nah, Rooney will go deeper to the #10 position I think with Martial up front, and we'll play a sort of 4-2-2-2 or a 4-2-3-1. Van Gaal said he likes his #10's to be more forwards then midfielders, so exactly like Rooney (though Rooney at his best and not the one we've been seeing the past few months). Rooney from the first half of last season was perfectly fine though I think so maybe he could return to that. Mata will stay on the right I think and Memphis left, with Young rotating in there. That's the most likely scenario I'd guess, and it looks really good on paper.
Another thing that I noticed with Martial is how comfortable he is with both feet. Hopefully Deschamps plays him on Friday.
I'm really excited to see him play for us. Always nice to see players who I know nothing about apart from YouTube videos.
Martial drifting left from central areas will give Memphis more space to cut in and could be a common tactical theme in our games.
The thought of Memphis and Martial bombing forward on counters is very exciting indeed.
The thought of Memphis and Martial bombing forward on counters is very exciting indeed.
Might help having Rooney be that one dropping into the middle, and linking the midfield from the 10 spot.
Mainly because he's been doing that anyway when he's supposed to be up front.
Mainly because he's been doing that anyway when he's supposed to be up front.
That's a bit awkward for Wayne...
Last player I knew very little about and signed for us for big money was Anderson.
I think he'll do well for us though. Maybe playing as our #9 will bring the best out of Rooney at #10, giving him more room to operate.
I think he'll do well for us though. Maybe playing as our #9 will bring the best out of Rooney at #10, giving him more room to operate.
True.
He looked great in that game against Arsenal. They were struggling to contain him.
This is continuing from conversations I was having in the original Martial thread that got closed, and I'm sure it's ground that has been covered, but...
It does grate with me the way people justify this signing with the fact that one or two people had vaguely talked about him before Monday. It's hard to fins a player who one or two people on here haven't suggested is dead good at some point. In fact, I was having similar conversations only a few days ago about that new South Korean lad that Spurs have signed - and sure enough a few people had been talking about how they really rated him prior to that signing.
The Soccerex 20 Football Value Index in July ranked Martial as the 17th most valuable under-21 player in Europe at £11.6m. Sterling was 1st, and others higher up the list include the likes of Can and Mitrovic, who have come to the Premier League for in the region of £10-13m. I know it's far from being an accurate list, but it does give a something of an indication of how he was genuinely rated, prior to this transfer kicking off.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for us picking up that sort of player, but surely they should be costing us in the are of £15m? I just get the feeling there are a lot of red-tinted specs around, and a lot of revisionism.
I guess I'd just like somebody to offer something a little more concrete to suggest that this transfer makes any sense.
It does grate with me the way people justify this signing with the fact that one or two people had vaguely talked about him before Monday. It's hard to fins a player who one or two people on here haven't suggested is dead good at some point. In fact, I was having similar conversations only a few days ago about that new South Korean lad that Spurs have signed - and sure enough a few people had been talking about how they really rated him prior to that signing.
The Soccerex 20 Football Value Index in July ranked Martial as the 17th most valuable under-21 player in Europe at £11.6m. Sterling was 1st, and others higher up the list include the likes of Can and Mitrovic, who have come to the Premier League for in the region of £10-13m. I know it's far from being an accurate list, but it does give a something of an indication of how he was genuinely rated, prior to this transfer kicking off.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for us picking up that sort of player, but surely they should be costing us in the are of £15m? I just get the feeling there are a lot of red-tinted specs around, and a lot of revisionism.
I guess I'd just like somebody to offer something a little more concrete to suggest that this transfer makes any sense.
Seems most of our gameplay this season would be on the left with Shaw in there too. Our right is a lot slower by comparison.
@Sir A1ex
Honestly I don't get you, the price is stupid, so why are you insisting on it, no one can justify it. But it's done and we should all move on.
Honestly I don't get you, the price is stupid, so why are you insisting on it, no one can justify it. But it's done and we should all move on.
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