I don't think we have bought him solely as a striker, though. I mean, the first thing Van Gaal mentioned about him was that he is a multifunctional player. "Anthony is a naturally talented, young, multi-functional forward with great potential. We have been watching him for a while now and he has developed immensely during his time at AS Monaco". Yes, his preferred position is up top, and he told Van Gaal this, but I still think he'll be used across the front three positions. "I prefer to play in the centre but he told me I could play in a number of positions — it is the coach who decides but whatever position I play, I will do the best I can". Also, it's not like we'll be playing him out of position if he does play on the wing. I mean, he's arguably played on the wing more often than he's played up top, so he knows the position, and will still get plenty games up top.
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I don't think we have bought him solely as a striker, though. I mean, the first thing Van Gaal mentioned about him was that he is a multifunctional player. "Anthony is a naturally talented, young, multi-functional forward with great potential. We have been watching him for a while now and he has developed immensely during his time at AS Monaco". Yes, his preferred position is up top, and he told Van Gaal this, but I still think he'll be used across the front three positions. "I prefer to play in the centre but he told me I could play in a number of positions — it is the coach who decides but whatever position I play, I will do the best I can". Also, it's not like we'll be playing him out of position if he does play on the wing. I mean, he's arguably played on the wing more often than he's played up top, so he knows the position, and will still get plenty games up top.
Apparently he's only played 8 full 90 minute matches in his career. Not entirely sure if that's true, but certainly a major gamble from us with that price if so.
I hope this guy will be a success so much. I hope he will prove the doubters and we can dig out every post who made fun of this transfer and laugh at them. I was reading few forums and the negativity around this transfer is as big as i have never seen.
On Barca forum was that guy who talked about United spending stupid money left, right and center. And he is fecking PSG fan!!! How can PSG fan talk with negativity about other clubs spending, a fan of a club who spend so much on David Luiz!!! One Barca fan pointed out that Martial is that type of the player who is signed by Napoli and Florentina for €15m. Why then Barcelona ofered Monaco €25m? Why Chelsea wanted to spend stupid money on this guy?
Some kids on forums who had played a little football manager think they know it all and it is ludicrous how much hate is expressed towards United on all those forums. I will not go stating what is written on Bluemoon or on Rawk because it is just stupid.
My wild guess is that our scouts are not stupid and they know how good a player could be. They found out that with watching a player closely for numerous of games and not by watchin 2x3min videos on youtube.
I think our scouts saw something special in this guy and moved quickly because they knew that every club will be after him in a year. Maybe he will not become a player as good as we think he could become but god i hope he will.
I will back him more then any other player as i stand behind all our players. They get enough negativity from other clubs fans, we are here to support them.
On Barca forum was that guy who talked about United spending stupid money left, right and center. And he is fecking PSG fan!!! How can PSG fan talk with negativity about other clubs spending, a fan of a club who spend so much on David Luiz!!! One Barca fan pointed out that Martial is that type of the player who is signed by Napoli and Florentina for €15m. Why then Barcelona ofered Monaco €25m? Why Chelsea wanted to spend stupid money on this guy?
Some kids on forums who had played a little football manager think they know it all and it is ludicrous how much hate is expressed towards United on all those forums. I will not go stating what is written on Bluemoon or on Rawk because it is just stupid.
My wild guess is that our scouts are not stupid and they know how good a player could be. They found out that with watching a player closely for numerous of games and not by watchin 2x3min videos on youtube.
I think our scouts saw something special in this guy and moved quickly because they knew that every club will be after him in a year. Maybe he will not become a player as good as we think he could become but god i hope he will.
I will back him more then any other player as i stand behind all our players. They get enough negativity from other clubs fans, we are here to support them.
Doesn't mean anything, he wasn't a starter at the start of last season and only broke in to the team in the second half of last season, when he scored 8 goals in 15 games and this season he started up front and played 90 minutes in most/all of the games... Just a normal progression of a young player. What u21 player plays all 90 minutes regularly anyways.
That's exactly how Henry developed into a great striker.
Might be just me but i find this deal in general decent,forget about Martial for the moment,the way how we gonna pay it, X amount for player instant then X amount per year - thats how we much we gonna pay 100%, then you X amount for his personal achievements,which means he is doing or he did great for us,which means its worth it to pay those bonuses. So all around it looks like not that bad deal,not like we spunk X amount right away,in this case 80 mil euros,boom,lets gamble.
People forget it took ronaldo 3 seasons to full make himself a match winner for us. But Ronaldo had giggs, oli, saha, RVN, Rooney, etc to back him up so he didnt have to produce every game. Thats the biggest problem i have with this transfer. The guy is gonna get thrown to the wolves everytime he doesnt win games, the same with depay. His confidence will just get shot each time. It was a poor signing not just for the financial investment but because of how our squad is looking.
A firing rooney and hernandez with him in the wings would be the perfect signing. But he will need to produce immediately and I hope he does for his sake as well as ours.
A firing rooney and hernandez with him in the wings would be the perfect signing. But he will need to produce immediately and I hope he does for his sake as well as ours.
Not sure if this has been posted/mentioned. I am extremely shocked if this is true. There are different stats and figures flying around and this one is definitely the most astonishing by far and it feels quite embarrassing for our club to pay so much for him.
However confident he is, it must be an extraordinary step up for him. And, to think that he's expected by LvG to solve our strikers problems! Really? Is it a joke?
Man United new boy Anthony Martial has only played eight full matches in his club career
http://m.101greatgoals.com/blog/man...played-eight-full-matches-in-his-club-career/
However confident he is, it must be an extraordinary step up for him. And, to think that he's expected by LvG to solve our strikers problems! Really? Is it a joke?
Man United new boy Anthony Martial has only played eight full matches in his club career
http://m.101greatgoals.com/blog/man...played-eight-full-matches-in-his-club-career/
Probably true. Has LvG said that he's an instant solution? I'm not expecting that -- no matter how talented he is, he's only 19.
This word should be banned on the Caf. Every Tom dick and Harry is now embarrassed over something or the other.
Same with Benzema playing at Left Wing before play Striker role when it was no secret that SAF was a fan.
1. People expected Utd to buy a striker who could create instant impact and score loads of goals.
2. Utd bought a boy for 36M or 22M + 14M in wages depending on which paper you read.
I think some fans are thinking the 1 and 2 above are same. Maybe LvG believes that we have enough strike power and he believes Martial is one for the future.
Btw.. I saw many fans saying we have a permanent LB for 10-15 years when we paid the absolute ridiculous amount of 30M for a teen defender.
So going by that logic, a teen forward for next 10-15 years could get 36M.
The hypocrisy on this forum and others when it comes to English players sometimes is way overboard.
2. Utd bought a boy for 36M or 22M + 14M in wages depending on which paper you read.
I think some fans are thinking the 1 and 2 above are same. Maybe LvG believes that we have enough strike power and he believes Martial is one for the future.
Btw.. I saw many fans saying we have a permanent LB for 10-15 years when we paid the absolute ridiculous amount of 30M for a teen defender.
So going by that logic, a teen forward for next 10-15 years could get 36M.
The hypocrisy on this forum and others when it comes to English players sometimes is way overboard.
Yeah I just dont understand that. Embarassing because United finally able to splash some cash on an exciting, potential good player in the making if not great, and not just feed the Glazers? After so many seasons without strengthening the midfield, now finally able to, this is embarassing transfer window for United? If anything, during the Obertan days was more embarassing. Bebe and whatnots. Fans nowadays are spoiled.
I'm completely embarrassed by all this embarrassment going about.
Excellent points, my only concern is LvG is wide of the mark as regards to us already having enough firepower.
I do agree with that
Stop being embarrassed. You are embarrassing me.
Wait! Can I still be offended about something or has this now been replaced with embarrassed? What's the hip one to use?
PS: Manutdtactics did a piece on Martial: http://manutdtactics.com/?p=5056
PS: Manutdtactics did a piece on Martial: http://manutdtactics.com/?p=5056
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I really agree with this. It's a big challenge for LvG and it's also an opportunity for him how to use this youngster. Although it might be easier for young play to adapt it's also true that playing them in their "natural position" whatever that means, you can get the best out if him.
Someone should be embarrassed by making this kind of embarrassing suggestion. lol
He ll be played behind Rooney..
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I generally think its used by the glory supporter types. They're here for success and reflected glory and don't care about the club.
The reasons you don't understand is, you got yourself very confused by yourself here. "Finally able to splash some cash"? Have you heard of something called smart spending? Spending for the sake of it is not smart. Spending just for the sake of not feeding the Glazers is not smart.... And, you've been mistaken here: Anthony Martial is brought as a striker/forward, not as a midfielder. Hope you understand the discussion here now.
As for the Oberton and Babe comments, please stop embarrassing yourself.
Hindsight is 20-20 and there are always flops here and there in new signing. It's only normal and nothing wrong with that. Not every signing becomes a godsend like Cantona or CR7 you know. If people's expectation with this kid is too high, it will not end well. We all want him to be an instant success but Just don't be surprised if he might need a couple of seasons to show his worth. Is all. But a young player is always exciting so will see.Well don't embarrass yourself! your generalisation is wrong.
What is this embarrasing stuff again about?
Can someone fill me in?
I don't expect him to be thrown to the wolves from the off but to be an impact sub. He does seem like a confident guy from the first interview.
Can someone fill me in?
I don't expect him to be thrown to the wolves from the off but to be an impact sub. He does seem like a confident guy from the first interview.
This is a good read on the youngsters background. I suggest those who don't know much about him read this. Thanks for posting.
Personally, I can't see a decent alternative. Utd look for top quality players. No proven No.9 has been available this window. No striker with the attributes that LVG wants (Physical enough & Quick enough for the BPL ).
We can talk of all the Benzema's, Cavani's etc. but they either didn't want to move or their clubs didn't want to sell or they were overpriced for their age.
It's a good punt i think. Yes slightly overpriced, but hey, everyone is overpriced when it comes to UTD.
The exciting thing about this transfer, is that we can watch first hand a truly talented kid be groomed into a potential world beater. For me that's worth the transfer cost alone!
Hopefully, he doesn't dream of spain!
We can talk of all the Benzema's, Cavani's etc. but they either didn't want to move or their clubs didn't want to sell or they were overpriced for their age.
It's a good punt i think. Yes slightly overpriced, but hey, everyone is overpriced when it comes to UTD.
The exciting thing about this transfer, is that we can watch first hand a truly talented kid be groomed into a potential world beater. For me that's worth the transfer cost alone!
Hopefully, he doesn't dream of spain!
People are gawking at the cost of this and other United transfers out of shock, awe, jealousy and/or disgust.
For the club's stature, the last decade has been pretty tight fisted. With the new TV deals and Woodward et al maximizing revenue streams around the world, it is a new reality for United.
The cost of this transfer probably doesn't matter. The loss on Di Maria didn't matter. The pitiful fees in the clear out don't matter.
Financially, United are on a whole 'nother plane. I don't think this will go on indefinitely. At some point the squad will be top class and not dependent on a legend of a manager to win with it. Until then there will be punts like this.
It's not ostentatious: we're not Madrid and never will be. Rather, it is a juggernaut of a club spending according to its scale and needs. United can afford expensive punts that even big clubs can't.
United are going to continue to catch hell for this and other transfers. All but a few Spanish clubs have to make a dollar out of a dime. Germany isn't commercially developed as supporters are protected by club structure. Italy is a shadow of its 1990s wealth and still hasn't seen the bottom of its financial descent. France is one club with foreign oil money and proud but underwhelmingly resourced clubs. In rich, tribal English football only a few clubs can compete.
So yeah, there is plenty of butt hurt to go around. Add in the fact it is a cultural shock for even lifelong United supporters, there will be a chorus of criticism.
For the club's stature, the last decade has been pretty tight fisted. With the new TV deals and Woodward et al maximizing revenue streams around the world, it is a new reality for United.
The cost of this transfer probably doesn't matter. The loss on Di Maria didn't matter. The pitiful fees in the clear out don't matter.
Financially, United are on a whole 'nother plane. I don't think this will go on indefinitely. At some point the squad will be top class and not dependent on a legend of a manager to win with it. Until then there will be punts like this.
It's not ostentatious: we're not Madrid and never will be. Rather, it is a juggernaut of a club spending according to its scale and needs. United can afford expensive punts that even big clubs can't.
United are going to continue to catch hell for this and other transfers. All but a few Spanish clubs have to make a dollar out of a dime. Germany isn't commercially developed as supporters are protected by club structure. Italy is a shadow of its 1990s wealth and still hasn't seen the bottom of its financial descent. France is one club with foreign oil money and proud but underwhelmingly resourced clubs. In rich, tribal English football only a few clubs can compete.
So yeah, there is plenty of butt hurt to go around. Add in the fact it is a cultural shock for even lifelong United supporters, there will be a chorus of criticism.
I hope so as well.
But quite honestly, the videos out there that show his supposed talent are a bit underwhelming. He looks quite raw and quite a long way from being good enough to consistently lead our line. That's not entirely unexpected given he's 19 but when you pay 36m for someone you do create a certain of amount of expectation, rightly or wrongly.
That said, I've only seen a couple of youtube videos so maybe he's better than he comes across...
Am I the only one whose more concerned about philosophy tactics than about Martial's ability? Philosophy tactics had claimed the Falcao's, Chicarito's and RVP's scalp. Rooney is also struggling and yet we expect the 19 year old to succeed where the others have failed
I don't think we're expecting him to shoulder full responsibility from the off. I'm guessing LvG sees it as a case of, if he's going to start developing Martial, might as well transfer whatever game time that might be given to Hernandez, over to him. If he's as strong physically as has been suggested, he'll be more suited to the center forward role than Hernandez or Rooney is. Maybe Rooney might even become a 2nd striker (he can't be a real no. 10) just to give him that support.
He clearly doesn't fit the profile of what most of us were expecting, but let's give him a chance.
He clearly doesn't fit the profile of what most of us were expecting, but let's give him a chance.
It's rare for young players to receive plenty of full game experiences at that age so it's hardly anything worth noting.
For every one of them you could claim they struggled cause of poor form or cause they are passed it. Sure tactics have a share in their misfiring but not so much. For example Rooney and his chances vs Swansea where he didn't even shoot at the goal. Then again we are thin in the attack and it will take time for Martial to come good.
Don't you think that its kind of strange that so many strikers have 'passed' it in such short period of time? Its not as if they were 35 years old either. Also shouldn't a team like ours create more goal chances?
I don't even need a reason to be embarrassed.
Embarrassed when we don't spend, embarrassed when we do. It's just mental with some people.
Well is Falcao the same as he used to be? RVP? I think we should have kept him but he did look like he doesn't care for the last 2 years.
What about Chicharito, he was great for us but has become worse in last few years. Rooney is struggling also but not cause of tactics which was evident vs Swansea, he had few nice chances but blew it, especially the one in the end when he feeled the need to make one more step before shooting.
Our team should create more chances yeah but I don't think all these strikers are at their best, maybe just our luck.
I never said that this transfer window was an embarrassment. I was just agreeing/replied to a post from another guy that mentioned all about his embarrassment regarding to this window.The reasons you don't understand is, you got yourself very confused by yourself here. "Finally able to splash some cash"? Have you heard of something called smart spending? Spending for the sake of it is not smart. Spending just for the sake of not feeding the Glazers is not smart.... And, you've been mistaken here: Anthony Martial is brought as a striker/forward, not as a midfielder. Hope you understand the discussion here now.
As for the Oberton and Babe comments, please stop embarrassing yourself.
Secondly, I never said United didn't spend their money well or otherwise.
Thirdly, I am very aware he is a striker. I was just adding points to my post regarding the "embarrassment issue". I am well aware of the discussion about Mr. Martial, thank you very much.
Of course there will always be hits and flops. I never said they should be worldies and whatnot. I was just comparing the supposed "embarrassment" to past windows.
Lastly, I am embarrassed that you would have to reply to my post where I never implied that this window was an embarrassment.
We seem to be able to create more chances with 36-40 year olds in CM and Young/Valencia on the flanks. That's disturbing
Fair enough - but it's natural to be pretty baffled by it all, and a little dissappointed that, if we really are so minted that we can pull a move like that, we didn't manage to sign any top level players.
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