How can you have doubts on whether hes listened to? Just refer to all our change since he came!
Manchester United name John Murtough as Football Director and Darren Fletcher as Technical Director
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And wed just drift all the same. Rangnick calling out the roots of the problem and helping the club pull them out is of utmost importance.
and he keeps getting promotions so he must be good right?
Thats the funniest thing about it. Nobody can
Isn't that half a good reason? Nobody knows what he actually does, Ralf himself I believe said that. He's a Technical Director that's sat on the bench and was apparently instructed not to shout at and give orders to the players. If you're going to talk about best in class, is Fletcher best in class as a Technical Director? Or is he Technical Director because he used to play for us
For a start, he doesn’t appear to have the experience to walk into a Technical Director role - I’m not convinced that he would have in any other top club, therefore I assume he’s got the job because he used to play for us. Also, it should be clear what he does, if he’s doing a good job.
Ever since Ed stepped down.
We let go our chief scouts and club's negotiator. Big changes related to our recruitments, negotiating wages and fees are happening and hopefuly we see the results of these changes. In additional, we have new manager as well.
We let go our chief scouts and club's negotiator. Big changes related to our recruitments, negotiating wages and fees are happening and hopefuly we see the results of these changes. In additional, we have new manager as well.
I don't know & neither do you. I could put together a list of 'best Technical Directors in Europe' and put Fletcher at number 1. Nobody would be able to disprove it which says it all.
Pretty much
Can we get Paolo Maldini to replace Flecther? Seems doing a good job as Technical Director at Milan
Phelan surely.
There's absolutely no evidence that Murtough doesn't rate Fletcher.
We don't know how things will go in the future but the guy making the calls does have a history of making structural changes and improving the whole rather than just the individual parts.
He may or may not succeed, but the transition from a manager led approach to a DoF/head coach approach is in full swing. And if one can see the difference between both approaches, then having some optimism is fine as well.
how the feck can you possibly know that?
He isn't a Technical Director. His job description (it's on the United website) isn't remotely that of a Technical Director; it's a really specific role, though he's also been involved in coaching since Ole and his gang left.
Whoever gave him the TD title was an idiot, as it's put a massive millstone round his neck, with people asking what qualifications he has for a role that he isn't actually fulfilling.
Delighted to see these changes. We've been long touted as a joke when it comes to contract renewals and transfer dealings. I have a feeling that Rangnick is behind a lot of this change, along with Ten Hag possibly. Hopefully the talk of Paul Mitchell coming in is true too. It would represent an efficient and positive change at the club - going from Woodward, Murtough and Ole to Mitchell, Rangnick and Ten Hag in a period of about 6 months.
Fletcher's role doesn't have any bearing on how things will go. Fletcher's role to me is very clear, and that is to sell the club to potential new recruits and aid with player development at youth level. He comes across as a very intelligent and articulate person and has a good understanding of the modern football concepts, which is something that was absent with the likes of Butt, Phelan etc from what I heard coming out of their mouths.
I'm reserving judgement on Fletcher. I think he has been asked to step into a number of roles that were unexpected this year due to the turmoil at the club. Let's see what he can do when he can focus on one job.
Echo this.
Of course it’s a disappointment how the season has drifted into nothing but the positive is Ralf bluntly highlighting the fundamental faults and giving the leadership no place to hide. And giving advice for how to address these.
You're aware that ex players stepped into the office in other clubs too without having supposed experience before? This agenda which exists against Fletcher here Is really strange.
i think that title is yours
Nobody knows here what he does exactly, everyone will only guess. That says it all.
It really doesn't.
It’s been well documented what he does, both on the initial MUFC press release and on here.
I might be completely wrong, but I rather get the impression that Fletcher took on the role in perfectly good faith but would actually rather be coaching. I wouldn’t be surprised if he leaves a well, but through his own volition rather than by being pushed out, and gets a coaching or management gig somewhere else.
If ETH wants to give him a job on his coaching staff, then I’d be delighted as long as the club didn’t pressure him into it. Which given recent changes I doubt they would.
why would anyone here know what he does? he's back room staff, it would be a bit weird if they were publicising the day to day jobs of the technical director?
oh and btw, his Job description has been posted on this website about a billion times, he's only in the bench because carrick and mckenna resigned
I think it’s largely because of his history as a player.
He wasn’t great for ages and people felt he was the beneficiary of undue favouritism from SAF. People don’t like changing their minds, were resentful when he became good, and rejoice in again having something to berate him for.
I don’t recall Nicky Butt getting the same stick while he was in the job prior to Fletcher. In his case I think scepticism was more deserved, as the role was created for him after he’d been sacked as head of the Academy, and looked like it was largely ceremonial. The fact that when he left they recruited Fletcher as his replacement suggests that it was actually a real job. If it wasn’t surely the role would have lapsed on Butt’s departure?
Absolutely this and you can bet your arse you can say if one these TD's who has done well at a club as a 1st timer was linked to us our fans would be all over them to come in a do it here, because Fletcher is one of our own some look down on him.
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Yeah, agreed. It's really tiresome.
Fletcher likely has zero power at this club, and so many are up in arms. He's likely just acting as the legs to the senior people and that's it, stop tripping over his title which stands for nothing at United.
Interesting. I don't remember you describing that before. Where do you get that from?
And what would be a correct job title for that?
He does a similar role to Cech who's job title is technical and performance advisor.
It was reported in many outlets at the time he helped convince Varane to join.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/man-utd-transfer-news-varane-24660186
Consultant, just like Rangnick?
Director of Transitional Facilitation?
Yeah James, I think that’s blindingly obvious by now.
Edit: though some on here are still in denial about it
It was reported at the time of Fletchers appointment as the youth coordinator/technical director on the development side, that along with assisting with development on the youth side of the club, he would also be the person who would get involved when selling the club to prospective new recruits.
Many other clubs have people with Fletchers remit doing similar roles.
Consultant is usually some kind of part-time advisor though. It sounds like Fletcher has more of a liaison role for the first team, both towards potential incoming players and the academy. 'Player Liaison' then, maybe?
Although @L1nk's second tweet above suggest Fletcher's role is changing anyway, in which case my question is moot.
Also, thanks for the follow-up, @Adnan. (I wasn't questioning the role btw.
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