Looks to me like he was brought in as part of Mates FC but other key people at the club (Murtough, Rangnick) have subsequently recognised his abilities themselves, hence his rapid rise through the ranks.Well we’re unbeaten in 8 since he started getting more involved so maybe he should stay? The fecking obsession scapegoating everything on genuine legends of the club is embarrassing on this place.
Hope we are grooming Fletcher to be the next director of football and don't get excited & push him management. I think Ole would have made an amazing director of football but making him the manager was the end of it. The core of the footballing culture and strategy should be set by former players while tactics, team selection, training etc should be set by the best coaches in the business. Very few can do both consistently (SAF, Wenger, Klopp are the only ones I can think of tbh).
Yes mates FC like McKenna who worked himself up from Spurs U18s to ours, did a cracking job and then impressed Mourinho in sessions so much he made him first team coach. Thank feck Ragnick is getting the “best in class” into the club from Toronto FC and New York Red Bulls - feck off with your cliched Goldbridge toxic shite - managers hiring people they’ve worked with before happens 100% of the time - yet at United it’s “mates FC”.Looks to me like he was brought in as part of Mates FC but other key people at the club (Murtough, Rangnick) have subsequently recognised his abilities themselves, hence his rapid rise through the ranks.
Goldbridge? Isn’t that the name that @SadlerMUFC uses to insult people critical of Maguire?Yes mates FC like McKenna who worked himself up from Spurs U18s to ours, did a cracking job and then impressed Mourinho in sessions so much he made him first team coach. Thank feck Ragnick is getting the “best in class” into the club from Toronto FC and New York Red Bulls - feck off with your cliched Goldbridge toxic shite - managers hiring people they’ve worked with before happens 100% of the time - yet at United it’s “mates FC”.
Well we’re unbeaten in 8 since he started getting more involved so maybe he should stay? The fecking obsession scapegoating everything on genuine legends of the club is embarrassing on this place.
Who should he have hired?When does he rightfully get stick for this interim fiasco. He appointed an interim manager who is known for pressing football despite the fact that both our strikers were the wrong side of 30. If he wasn't planning on a longterm manager he should have gotten a manager that was more suited to our mishmash of players. Then gotten someone to change our philosophy in the summer.
Who should he have hired?
So youre blaming him for hiring a manager as interim but cant think of a single manager who is suited to the shower of shite squad we have.Don't know but a manager more suited to our squad.
So youre blaming him for hiring a manager as interim but cant think of a single manager who is suited to the shower of shite squad we have.
Maybe the problem is the overpaid egos that refuse to work off the ball and not Murtough and Rangnick who are clearly trying to fix the mess left behind by Ed Woodward.
Favre, Valverde and Garcia were the other reported options for us. If his consultancy role is something that helps the club then I think the move would have been justified, despite his poor interim spell.Who should he have hired?
Anyone can say this in hindsight. Those managers are also risks too. Rangnick I think was brought in also because his view on the ground will enable better consultancy after the season. He's clearly being listened to quite heavily. This short term pain is arguably necessary to get the rebuild we really need. If another manager came I doubt they have the balls to say this entire squad needs rebuilding.Favre, Valverde and Garcia were the other reported options for us. If his consultancy role is something that helps the club then I think the move would have been justified, despite his poor interim spell.
It's easy to say in hindsight but for a purely 6 month stint then I think the other managers probably would have done better.
Don't know but a manager more suited to our squad.
Which would have probably been worse for us in the long run.Favre, Valverde and Garcia were the other reported options for us. If his consultancy role is something that helps the club then I think the move would have been justified, despite his poor interim spell.
It's easy to say in hindsight but for a purely 6 month stint then I think the other managers probably would have done better.
Let's talk about Favre for example. He has a reputation of being obsessed of details and has experience in quickly stabilizing troubled teams. And he uses a bit more passive style which would have suited Oleball better than what Rangnick is doing.Which would have probably been worse for us in the long run.
It's a point that bears repeating. Our two frontrunners for the job were Poch and Ten Hag. Both managers employ an aggressive pressing system. We bought in an interim who is known for just that. The squad were shown to be absolutely lacking in their ability to employ a high press. Therefore we now have seen first hand how drastic a need there is for a total rebuild.
If one of Favre, Valverde or Garcia came in and made us compact and ground out results to see us get 4th the very obvious cracks would be covered in a thin layer of paper. The club, Rangnick and Ten Hag now know that recruitment is going to be absolutely key. Instead of the old 'every player starts again with a new chance to impress me' line that would have been trotted out most likely at the clubs behest, we now have Rangnick consulting the club on exactly where our frailties lie.
Ole tried to start pressing come March of last season, our performances dramatically dropped. Rangnick has come in and tried to instil pressing, our performances dropped further. We have been forced into action.
The club were also right to sign wan Bissaka because I can't think of a better rb at the time we signed him if thats how you see things. He gets paid millions to think of who to sign and then appoint that person.
You think any available manager who would have accepted being an interim manager for 6 months and then leaving would have done better and more importantly commanded the respect of this team? That person would have been a better person to hire than Ragnick who would also be continuing on in a consultancy role?
I can't think of a better interim manager to have than a manager who will continue on with the club upstairs. Those players stopped running for Ole, they stopped running for Ralf despite knowing he's staying on, they would stop running for favre or whoever people wanted as an interim. At the very least Ralf has the knowledge of the squad to help him in his consultancy role and handover with EtH, I think people are underestimating just how valuable that could be to the new manager.
Now if you're saying you'd rather have favre, garcia or some other manager as a permanent manager over EtH then....
Ralf himself asked for the consultancy role if I am not mistaken. Which means again Murtaugh wasn't thinking that far ahead. You also don't don't know how the players would have responded to a different manager. At some point they stopped running for Jose and then proceeded to put in the work during Ole's interim.
Ralf himself asked for the consultancy role if I am not mistaken. Which means again Murtaugh wasn't thinking that far ahead. You also don't don't know how the players would have responded to a different manager. At some point they stopped running for Jose and then proceeded to put in the work during Ole's interim.
the problem wasn't the interim manager, it as the amount of time he was interim for: most only have to deal with a handful of games. We, in our now customary arrogance, thought we could be different; that we were special. It was a continuation of appointing a former player as manager, despite the fact that failed at so many other clubs: leeds, liverpool, newcastle, to name but three. And it was a continuation of the dumb idea of giving Ole a new three-year deal when he should actually have been sacked months earlierAnyone can say this in hindsight. Those managers are also risks too. Rangnick I think was brought in also because his view on the ground will enable better consultancy after the season. He's clearly being listened to quite heavily. This short term pain is arguably necessary to get the rebuild we really need. If another manager came I doubt they have the balls to say this entire squad needs rebuilding.
A lot our own fans are contributing to that problem, and our ex players endorsing him.the problem wasn't the interim manager, it as the amount of time he was interim for: most only have to deal with a handful of games. We, in our now customary arrogance, thought we could be different; that we were special. It was a continuation of appointing a former player as manager, despite the fact that failed at so many other clubs: leeds, liverpool, newcastle, to name but three. And it was a continuation of the dumb idea of giving Ole a new three-year deal when he should actually have been sacked months earlier
the problem wasn't the interim manager, it as the amount of time he was interim for: most only have to deal with a handful of games. We, in our now customary arrogance, thought we could be different; that we were special. It was a continuation of appointing a former player as manager, despite the fact that failed at so many other clubs: leeds, liverpool, newcastle, to name but three. And it was a continuation of the dumb idea of giving Ole a new three-year deal when he should actually have been sacked months earlier
From the beginning it was always said ralf would take on a consultancy role, even before he was officially announced as interim. From everything we have seen since then the club has done everything it said it would do in this regard i.e. Hire interim, keep on Ralf as consultant, hire a proven world class manager in EtH. Hence me saying I'm a little surprised that they have followed through with it. So I don't see how there is anything to get angry at Murtough about regarding this.
Regarding a different interim, maybe a different one would have gotten us top 4, either way that manager would still have had to deal with mason, the covid outbreak etc. For me this season I am not placing importance on finishing 4th or 6th. Yes it would be great to qualify for champs league but if not qualifying 4th leads to Ralf identifying the weak players and providing a much smoother transition to EtH then I will take that. The key for me is we must take this opportunity to clear out the players who have showm over the past 6 months they are either mentallly too weak for united or incapable of playing a pressing game.
No saying 'his guys' will be good enough, will Murtough be binned off by Arnold if its ends up their not? Only time will tell, I'm not getting carried away by some of these resignations as Judge shouldn't have been in a job in the first place and Lawlor/Bout clearly weren't doing a job.Arnold's given Murtough control and he's making changes. Judge, Lawlor and Bout weren't his guys, so it seems he's got rid of them and will now bring his people in. Very similar to what he's done at academy/scouting and data analytics departments.
No saying 'his guys' will be good enough, will Murtough be binned off by Arnold if its ends up their not? Only time will tell, I'm not getting carried away by some of these resignations as Judge shouldn't have been in a job in the first place and Lawlor/Bout clearly weren't doing a job.
But it's not our job to know. I like Rangnick but if he was only really hired in a firefighting role, then that is an epic fail on the part of Murtough.So youre blaming him for hiring a manager as interim but cant think of a single manager who is suited to the shower of shite squad we have.
Maybe the problem is the overpaid egos that refuse to work off the ball and not Murtough and Rangnick who are clearly trying to fix the mess left behind by Ed Woodward.
We had people like Judge doing a job, absolutely no way of saying now that they're good enough. Time will tellSo we will now have people doing a job? It’s very positive news and clear evidence of a total restructuring and strategy
It isnt. No caretaker option would have given tangible success with the situation.But it's not our job to know. I like Rangnick but if he was only really hired in a firefighting role, then that is an epic fail on the part of Murtough.
But bringing in someone who has been out of the on-field action for so long was a bit naive, in my opinion. If in fact he is listened (and I have my doubts,) then I will agree that bringing in Rangnick was an astute move. I guess we'll have to wait and see.It isnt. No caretaker option would have given tangible success with the situation.
We literally interviewed Ernesto Valverde who would’ve been miles better than the clown we have in charge now.It isnt. No caretaker option would have given tangible success with the situation.
He may have been more suited to the task, but I don't this calling Rangnick a clown. The guy has been hamstrung from the second he stepped in.We literally interviewed Ernesto Valverde who would’ve been miles better than the clown we have in charge now.
