Manchester United - January Ins and Outs

LawCharltonBest said:
Fonte would be fine for the second half of the season.

He's not a big name or fancy, but he's a leader and reliable
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But would the team accept him as a leader, would he be able to establish himself as a leader? Why wouldn't we just buy Van Dijk and let Bailly grow into a leader? He certainly looks in the right path to do so. He's vocal, commanding the defence, yells at players when needed and he's an all out type of player.

If we are to buy Fonte it would just be a temporary solution since he's 33 after all.
 
Carrick has played 9 games this season, we have from these matches 7 wins + 2 draws, without him Pogba couldnt be himself and immediately we got struggles. Then a registra player to rotate with Carrick would be needed.

In this winter window i think that Fabregas would be a appropriate choice. Obviously his defense ability cant be compared with Carrick but his fancy passes still remains as 1 of the bests. With Herrera by his side sharing some defense works, Fabregas can probably be an helpful option
 
Fracture90 said:
But would the team accept him as a leader, would he be able to establish himself as a leader? Why wouldn't we just buy Van Dijk and let Bailly grow into a leader? He certainly looks in the right path to do so. He's vocal, commanding the defence, yells at players when needed and he's an all out type of player.

If we are to buy Fonte it would just be a temporary solution since he's 33 after all.
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Because Bailly is like 22/23 and new to the league. Fonte is 33 and very experienced in the PL, he also won the Euros this year as a reguar starter for Portugal.

Also look at all the top teams ahead of us in the league. What do they all have? Experience at the back. SAF said he needed experience at the back to win leagues too. It's very underrated. Van Dijk and Bailly at the back just lacks it, and you'd see more silly goals conceded imo
 
R300k said:
Carrick has played 9 games this season, we have from these matches 7 wins + 2 draws, without him Pogba couldnt be himself and immediately we got struggles. Then a registra player to rotate with Carrick would be needed.

In this winter window i think that Fabregas would be a appropriate choice. Obviously his defense ability cant be compared with Carrick but his fancy passes still remains as 1 of the bests. With Herrera by his side sharing some defense works, Fabregas can probably be an helpful option
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No way Mourinho would want him.
 
Schneiderlin - Have he even played a two digit amount of minutes?
Fellaini - Less minutes on the pitch than before... and when he gets those, he disappoints
Depay - Same as Fellaini, but he never got those minutes in the first place

Would still leave us with these options on the wings: Young, Valencia, Martial, Rashford, Mata, Rooney and Mkhitaryan. Some of these might not be natural wingers, but can do a solid job.
Would still leave us with these options for the central positions: Carrick, Bastian, Pogba, Herrera and Rooney

I doubt we'd sell all three, but those are imo the most likely to leave this winter if we were to sell
 
You guys are insane if you think one harsh penalty decision is gonna signal the end of Fellaini's career at United. Managers don't think like that. Mourinho will probably start him in the next game and he'll play well.

Kneejerk and overreactions, thats all I see here.
 
LawCharltonBest said:
Because Bailly is like 22/23 and new to the league. Fonte is 33 and very experienced in the PL, he also won the Euros this year as a reguar starter for Portugal.

Also look at all the top teams ahead of us in the league. What do they all have? Experience at the back. SAF said he needed experience at the back to win leagues too. It's very underrated. Van Dijk and Bailly at the back just lacks it, and you'd see more silly goals conceded imo
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He is young I'm not saying he will automatically become a leader, i said let him develop into one.

Fonte did win the EURO but with 33 he has just 20 caps for Portugal, that's very low number of games and besides it was Pepe who was the vital part of that defence more than anyone else.

They all have experience at the back button there aren't many experienced and quality CB's that are available to get.
 
Jaybomb said:
You guys are insane if you think one harsh penalty decision is gonna signal the end of Fellaini's career at United. Managers don't think like that. Mourinho will probably start him in the next game and he'll play well.

Kneejerk and overreactions, thats all I see here.
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Well he made the same mistake against Watford. That wasn't a harsh decision at all.
 
Fracture90 said:
He is young I'm not saying he will automatically become a leader, i said let him develop into one.

Fonte did win the EURO but with 33 he has just 20 caps for Portugal, that's very low number of games and besides it was Pepe who was the vital part of that defence more than anyone else.

They all have experience at the back button there aren't many experienced and quality CB's that are available to get.
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How long do you wait? Seems more sensible to get one in now with the proper experience and let Bailly learn from them for a few years before taking over as the defensive leader

I wouldn't underrate Fonte's importance in that defense, but to each his own I guess.

We'll see what Mourinho does anyway. I'd be surprised if he didn't go for an experienced leader at the back because he's had one at every club bar United and was rumoured to want one in the Summer.
 
Jaybomb said:
You guys are insane if you think one harsh penalty decision is gonna signal the end of Fellaini's career at United. Managers don't think like that. Mourinho will probably start him in the next game and he'll play well.

Kneejerk and overreactions, thats all I see here.
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It's not just that clumsy tackle in his infamous cameo role that stood out. He played a pass at one stage where he kicked the ball out for a throw in when he was trying to play a simple pass. This was at a point in the game where we are chasing a winner in the dying stages of a game. He's not good enough to start, he doesn't offer anything off the bench unless you want to stick him up top and launch high balls at him. If that's the reason to keep him then so be it, but Jose has to stop thinking he is some kind of defensive screen that will help us shut up shop at 1 nil up in games. At this point we don't seem to have the players or system to see out games by that margin. We need to be a bit more attack orientated until such time as Jose has the players who can do that.
 
LawCharltonBest said:
How long do you wait? Seems more sensible to get one in now with the proper experience and let Bailly learn from them for a few years before taking over as the defensive leader

I wouldn't underrate Fonte's importance in that defense, but to each his own I guess.

We'll see what Mourinho does anyway. I'd be surprised if he didn't go for an experienced leader at the back because he's had one at every club bar United and was rumoured to want one in the Summer.
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We will see, i would get Van Dijk if that 25 million clause really exists and pair him up with Bailly.
 
Forget VanDijk its not happening in Jan and if he does leave it will be to a club fighting at the top not us.

my Bet would be Liverpool.
 
KevinJoh said:
I do believe that a few of the players will be sold or loaned out in January, but I don't think that we will buy a lot, maybe one defender.

It is obviously that Mourinho don't believe in some of the lads. Young, Memphis and Schneiderlin, and Schweinsteiger won't get a lot of playing time. I guess that Memphis won't be sold, probably loaned out. He is young, with good loan he can at least increase price, or if we are lucky he can find form and confidence and come back next year.

Young will probably be sold, and it would be OK to let him go. He gave us what he had, he is not young, and he certainly have quality for a couple of seasons in a team like Watford.

I am not sure on the other hand, that we will sell both Schweini and Schneiderlin. If we do, we would be short in numbers if something happens with Carrick, Pogba or Hererra. One of them will go probably, but I doubt both.
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Who is going to pay the wages for these players? Maybe United will agree to subsidize part of their wages in order to get them off the books. But, otherwise, who wants to pay Ashley Young, a winger with no end product who hasn't played consistently for several years, 110K per week? Or Schneiderlin, a pretty good but nothing special DM, 100K per week? Or Memphis, a kid who has proven nothing in England, 90K per week? Premier League clubs have lots of money now but these would still be the highest earners on clubs like Everton, Palace, Soton, etc. They just aren't good enough to merit that, even if they came on a free.
 
MartialsBeard said:
Forget VanDijk its not happening in Jan and if he does leave it will be to a club fighting at the top not us.

my Bet would be Liverpool.
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:lol: Good one. Yes we can fight for players with Madrid, Barca, Bayern , City and Maybe Chelsea. But even if we got relegated, players would still chose united over Liverpool.
 
Footballers only really care about money but if Atletico Madrid offered me 140,000 euro's a week and Real Madrid offered me 100,000 euro's a week I'd sign for Real. I'd take a wage cut to play for one of the worlds biggest clubs.
 
The BlackGaijin said:
But true. Liverpool will not take a player from us for a long long time
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You just said if us and them were to compete for the same players, they'd choose us over them even when we are in a worse state. I think that's a load of bollocks.
Liverpool were more successful than us when Sir Alex took over.Once we started winning stuff, successfully implemented a business plan and got ahead of other clubs, more and more players wanted to join us over them.

The thing is it could happen the other way too.If we don't get our shit together and Liverpool move forward to be sucessful, soon players would pick them over us.
That could happen right now depending on the perceptions of players. Nobody has any divine right over anything forever.
 
DanClancy said:
Footballers only really care about money but if Atletico Madrid offered me 140,000 euro's a week and Real Madrid offered me 100,000 euro's a week I'd sign for Real. I'd take a wage cut to play for one of the worlds biggest clubs.
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You'd be benched. Rather play AND earn more.
 
Out of interest, why is Fonte being touted as the defender to buy?
I remember last season everybody took the name of Vlaar. This guy was so bad (and injury prone) that even Villa (the worst team in several years to play in the EPL), got rid of him. I asked why would we want him. The answer I got was, "He is Dutch".

So, are we going for Fonte, because he is Portugese?
 
The BlackGaijin said:
:lol: Good one. Yes we can fight for players with Madrid, Barca, Bayern , City and Maybe Chelsea. But even if we got relegated, players would still chose united over Liverpool.
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MyOnlySolskjaer said:
Yeah, we can sign Pogba, Zlatan and Mkhitaryan but the mighty Van Dijk can't stoop so low as to Man United.
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Come on you know players are fickle, we may have secured those players with the promise of Jose coming in but the season has been a bit of a disaster and players moving in Jan will be looking at who is likely to win the league and who is likely to be playing CL football next year, neither of those are likely therefore why would a player chose us and potentially regressing their careers for a season.

Those players were signed with Jose in mind and none of them could have envisioned that wed have such a rocky start and lead into xmas.
 
Fracture90 said:
We will see, i would get Van Dijk if that 25 million clause really exists and pair him up with Bailly.
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So, fans want us to sign the flavour of the month who has a few good months in his locker?
Am I missing something here?
 
sunama said:
So, fans want us to sign the flavour of the month who has a few good months in his locker?
Am I missing something here?
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Hanging on in quiet desperation is the English Man Utd Fans way
The time is gone, the Fergie time is over,
Thought I'd something more to say.

sorry, been listening Pink Floyd today..
 
sunama said:
Out of interest, why is Fonte being touted as the defender to buy?
I remember last season everybody took the name of Vlaar. This guy was so bad (and injury prone) that even Villa (the worst team in several years to play in the EPL), got rid of him. I asked why would we want him. The answer I got was, "He is Dutch".

So, are we going for Fonte, because he is Portugese?
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Vlaar was an important player for Villa, they wanted him to stay but he rejected a new contract and left. Fonte is experienced and would be available at cut price, I'm not convinced but would trust Mourinho if it happens.
 
AN17 said:
You just said if us and them were to compete for the same players, they'd choose us over them even when we are in a worse state. I think that's a load of bollocks.
Liverpool were more successful than us when Sir Alex took over.Once we started winning stuff, successfully implemented a business plan and got ahead of other clubs, more and more players wanted to join us over them.


The thing is it could happen the other way too.If we don't get our shit together and Liverpool move forward to be sucessful, soon players would pick them over us.
That could happen right now depending on the perceptions of players. Nobody has any divine right over anything forever.
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Read my post. It won't happen for a long time. It can happen,but not fora long a time.
 
Does anyone think Mahrez is an option? I know he signed a new contract in the Summer but Leicester are fighting relegation at this point so maybe he wants to get out while he can. Then again I know his performances haven't reached the same level as last season.
 
The BlackGaijin said:
Read my post. It won't happen for a long time. It can happen,but not fora long a time.
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I agree we still have a certain degree of desirability advantage over most clubs. But, like @MartialsBeard said

players moving in Jan will be looking at who is likely to win the league and who is likely to be playing CL football next year, neither of those are likely therefore why would a player chose us and potentially regressing their careers for a season.
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Also certain players might look for a playing style that better suits them, a few might prefer Klopp over a Jose, some might look at the competition they'll be facing for first team spot etc..
Just saying that nothing is so black and white regarding a player picking us over them or vice versa.
Lot of factors at stake.
 
Nick. said:
Does anyone think Mahrez is an option? I know he signed a new contract in the Summer but Leicester are fighting relegation at this point so maybe he wants to get out while he can. Then again I know his performances haven't reached the same level as last season.
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I've actually said it back in beginning of September that we might consider getting him in the summer since Leicester will not repeat what they did last year and he'll be looking for a new challenge IMO.

Also think they're throwing all their cards on CL.
 
Wouldn't suprise me to see Fellaini, Schneiderlin, Schweinsteiger and Depay all potentially leave in Jan. I say potentially because as it stands none of them are enticing buys for another club. I think Jose would like them gone. By Jan Jose will know where he has deficits in both the 1st 11 and squad. Interesting to see who he buys.
 
Toby Alderweireld supposedly has a £25M release clause in his contract - got to be worth an inquiry in January...
 
ZAGREB RED said:
Toby Alderweireld supposedly has a £25M release clause in his contract - got to be worth an inquiry in January...
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The clause, which was revealed by the website Football Leaks, has been the subject of conjecture but it is understood that it essentially protects Tottenham against the defender leaving as a Bosman free agent at the end of his existing contract in 2019.

If the 27-year-old were to remain on his current £50,000-a-week basic terms up until the summer of 2019 – which is unlikely, given the club’s desire to renew – a one-year option would then kick in until the summer of 2020.

In the summer of 2019, Alderweireld would be permitted to leave if a rival club were to pay £25m for him and complete the transfer at least 14 days before the closure of the summer window.

Alderweireld would be 30 that summer and Tottenham might feel that £25m would represent a good price for him, then. Alternatively, they would get to keep him for another year. Tottenham maintain that none of their players have buy-out clauses that are currently active.
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https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/dec/06/tottenham-toby-alderweireld-new-contract-25m-clause
 
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