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Manchester United - January Ins and Outs
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Works for me though.
Virgil Van Dijk in - Depay, Bastian, Darmian out
Who is this CL level defender? Unless it's another emergence Cb like Bailly, I am unaware of one who would be available with that description.
Both Schneiderlin and Depay to Everton sounds just about right for every party involved.
We will get some money back and Koeman will get 2 players that have the quality to be important for Everton.
A few places have linked us with Victor Lindelof of Benfica so it's probably him.
Can see Mourinho having a very strong defence next season. I think it'll be a bit of a surprise (if we were told in June) who will survive under him.
I think Smalling will end up moving on, because he's at the age he needs to be playing every game and Jose just doesn't trust him to be first choice in a solid, title winning defence.
I think Blind will stick around because he's a model pro that is happy to be a squad member at this club.
I think Jose likes Jones and will probably recognise that it will be difficult to shift him for any worthwhile fee anyway.
I also think he likes Rojo because he's quick, physical and not afraid to put his foot in where it hurts. He's also a good centreback.
Darmian is a cert to leave still.
Shaw, I wouldn't be surprised if he chooses to move on himself. I think there's a clash in personalities there, which to me suggests that Jose doesn't see Shaw as his type of person. I hope I'm wrong because there is so much potential there and the leg break was devastating for him but if that is the case then I trust Jose's judgement.
Bailly is going to be a champion.
Agree with everything here to be honest.
Looking at Shaw from a different angle Jose has been critical of Martial & Mkhitaryan and it looks like they've played their way back in. Shaw might be fit but he doesn't look 100% match fit yet and given he's injured again it will be the other side of xmas before he is. I can't imagine any club getting near matching Shaw's wages anyway.
You just know Schneiderlin at Everton will be fecking brilliant and we will all be wondering why the hell he didn't get a proper run at United. That being said he's not in Jose's plans so if we can get a decent fee we should probably sell him.
Sell Schneiderlin for £15m and loan Memphis I think would be good January business.
I just don't see why anybody would want to get rid of Shaw.
I just don't see why anybody would want to get rid of Shaw.
Very likely but some players just dont cut it at the top clubs for whatever reasons
That's a given. He never got a chance here. Hate when we buy players and sell them on with huge loss without giving them a proper chance.
who are the "star players signed for big money who ultimately flopped"? Di Maria? that hardly makes it a trend
And "proper Manchester United players with the mentality to succeed" is such a vague statement too and can/could potentially turn into buying average players, which we are already burdened with, because "mentality". Not that I believe every player we buy has to be a multi million mega deal but I'd rather buy "star players" so long as they are the players the manager wants, and be patient and consistent with our lineups. It doesn't help when we bring players and often they get played out of position or after a bad run they get locked in a bdsm basement to never be seen in the squad again, hell, pogba after 2 or 3 average games was the "big elephant in the room" on the caf, I digress tho.
I do think our scouting has to improve as other clubs are capable of finding hidden gems often, but again, patience and consistency also play a role, which incidentally is what fergie showed with vidic and evra since they didn't have the best of starts, now both are mufc legends.
Both Schneiderlin and Memphis need to move on to a club where they will get the chances they deserve. I hate seeing players with some potential been locked up in the shed.
55 starts between them in their one-and-a-bit seasons at the club. They have had chances to impress and thus far failed to do it. I wouldn't write either of them off just yet mind... a loan move might be the way to go for Depay.
Would you say they've had chances this season? The CAF seem pretty good at writing of players based on 10 minutes cameos. Herrera and Rojo have all come good over a run of games. Players need a run of games on a clean slate. To judge the two on cameos doesn't make any sense at all. I'm not saying that they would be world beaters but it's times like this where we have 7 games this month, that we need players not just fit but match fit and confident. There is no point throwing the likes of Schneiderlin, Memphis, Young, Darmian, Schweinstiger in now, they all lack match fitness like heck. For all the potential that was talked about regarding TFM, nobody can still tell me , "he's going to be world class you know". He's not getting any minutes or a single one with the U23. The U18 GK is probably fitter than him. In the event he comes on and has a poor game, he will be automatically written off, as one having blown his chance.
This is one thing I feared about José, alienating players he doesn't like. It's a question of personal preference but under Fergie, regardless of how many players he had, everyone had a chance, a solid chance. Gibson, Fletcher, O'Shea, Fabio not first XI but they got minutes and were match fit when called upon. I prefer players to just leave and further their careers rather than being injury time players. For me, common sense has to prevail over emotions, Memphis, Schneiderlin, Darmian (I'm not writing them off), Schweinstiger and Young have to leave for their own good. I don't think José knows how to manage a big squad tbh.
If they want them badly I hope we hold them to ransom like they have done to us with players we've tried to sign. I can't forgive them for the Fellaini saga.
Ofc, especially now that they have money to burn with the new owner.
We'll sell him for about 12m when any other club would get the 30m they paid for him back.
We're terrible at selling players. Even Ronaldo was sold too cheap. But my biggest issues were Di Maria, Nani and especially Hernandez. Chicharito would go for 30m plus now. Di Maria could have been sold for the 65m we paid for him and Nani? 5m? That was a big joke. I think Valencia bought him for 15m.
I'll never understand how Van Gaal managed to break Darmian so badly.
It was like he bought a brand new laptop, got it home, used it a couple of times.
Then despite it working perfectly, he decided to change the operating system all by himself, fecked up and bricked it.
It was like he bought a brand new laptop, got it home, used it a couple of times.
Then despite it working perfectly, he decided to change the operating system all by himself, fecked up and bricked it.
Schneids was one of the best midfielders in the prem for years I honestly believe that. Seemed destined for a top club. Really disappointed in that. Hope we make some of the money back
Fabinho and Nelson Semedo as potential right back options, and midfield considerations of Goncalo Guedes, Andre Silva and
Gelson Martins
Gelson Martins
A loan for Memphis to Everton would be great for all parties, just sell Schneiderlin in the summer to whoever wants him
I would go all out for Godin. The man is a warrior and his experience would bring Bailly on in leaps and bounds. What is he ? 31, 32 ?.....he'd be great for two or three seasons.
Almost certainly bullshit but could be an option to explore if there's any truth to it
Yeah, saw that. I'd still take it with a pinch of salt though.
If there is any truth to that, then I'm sure Bayern/Barca/Madrid and everyone else would be in for him. Of course we would be too and we could out bid them wage wise, so who knows. Doubt he would go to another london club, so it could be between United or City if he wants to stay in the league (if he would leave at all). That would be a great price for him though. Just doubt it's true.
We're going to sign him, aren't we?
Hope not
I agree it's not a signing that will strike fear in anyone, but I think it could be a very good signing, at least for the short term.
Great teams are built on steady defenses. United's this season has, at times, looked erratic. There's definitely a lack of leadership back there.
Fonte might be the man to come in, add some experience and calm. While he'll unlikely do anything fancy, he could be that reliable presence at the back that allows the rest of the team more freedom
I wouldn't be against signing Fonte. I don't think he's a better defender than Smalling, but if he has leadership ability then it'll make a world of difference.
We have two young CBs in Jones and Bailly who need a fit, strong leader to play with regularly.
We have two young CBs in Jones and Bailly who need a fit, strong leader to play with regularly.
The issue with Fonte is that he's better than Jones and Smalling, but he's not Thiago Silva or Sergio Ramos. But with our current level, do we deserve Ramos?
I think that we should take this chance and buy him this January for the right price.
Bailly will play the Africa Cup during January, Smalling is not fit yet, so we only have Rojo and Jones, and we all know how weak they are.
I think that we should take this chance and buy him this January for the right price.
Bailly will play the Africa Cup during January, Smalling is not fit yet, so we only have Rojo and Jones, and we all know how weak they are.
I know swap deals barely happen but if Everton want Memphis and possibly Schneiderlein I'd be looking Gueye as part of any deal
They only bought him for 7 million I think but he'd be a useful specialist defensive option
They only bought him for 7 million I think but he'd be a useful specialist defensive option
He and Lukaku are their best player. No chance of them letting him go.
Yep but be nice to even use it to drive a hard bargain with Everton
Koeman has already said Lukaku has his price so who knows
In the current climate if we sell for a pittance it will be a joke
Koeman has worked with Morgan and got performances from him so could see a midfield of
---------------------------Gueye------------------------
------------Morgan--------------Barkley---------
Bolasie--------------------------------------Memphis
----------------------------Lukaku------------------------
I understand Toby Alderverald is available for £30m.
Pay it. Just do it.
Him and Bailly would be ideal.
If spurs want Schniderlin, let them have him
Pay it. Just do it.
Him and Bailly would be ideal.
If spurs want Schniderlin, let them have him
I can't imagine this is true at all. If he were sold he'd go for a lot more than £30m.
If Alderweireld is available for £30m we should be all over that.
Him and Bailly together would be brilliant.
Him and Bailly together would be brilliant.