He absolutely was. But these things are cyclical. He isn't anymore. Mourinho was the GITW for a period, but it is almost impossible to keep that level of performance and innovation up.
Manchester City under Pep Guardiola | Pep on City v Liverpool ref: "He likes to be special"
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Yeh right now I meant. he isn't right now
Who do you believe is the current best manager in the world?
Pirlo was seen as a poor signing even on a free at that stage though. He was basically deemed finished after a poor last couple years at Milan. I used to frequent the Milan forum since 2006 onwards or whenever they signed Luis Ronaldo and Pirlo and Seedorf used to get the most abuse from the fans for their displays.
Yes, and they were idiots. Pirlo was the best player of the league in 2011-12, and the reason juventus won the title.
You based this on the result today, didn't you?
People are vastly overreacting. City are still the best footballing side in the league, they're still one of the favorites to win the title, and if you really want to argue anything based on today's game, it can only be that Guardiola has an edge over other managers. City thoroughly exposed Chelsea. The latter were neither better nor more clever or ruthless, they simply had an awful lot of luck on their side, they deserved nothing out of that game.
Prediction: Chelsea will drop out of the title race come spring, and City will fight it out with Liverpool.
@Kostur: You have to go back. (to /sp/, that is)
Prediction: Chelsea will drop out of the title race come spring, and City will fight it out with Liverpool.
@Kostur: You have to go back. (to /sp/, that is)
That's literally the most apt title this man has ever earned.
I'd have to have a think. But right now I think the best in the prem is conte.
Eh? if anything it exposed Guardiolas nativity and refusal to adapt. He was out thought today and only got on the scoresheet courtesy of an own goal.
Pochettino also had Chelsea on the ropes and lost. All today showed is Chelsea are the team to beat and will win it if it carries on like this. No one will want to play them right now
No check my other posts. said It countless times had the 2 easiest jobs. barca and bayern.
Re. Jose think Chelsea and inter had his best years.
Of course he does. It's called "having the most talented team in the league"
Agree about everything else, though chelsea have become a very resilient side. Strongest in the league mentally atm, and that's HUGE
Aye, we've had just about every team we've played this season on the ropes and haven't managed to get a win in a lot of those games. Come the end of the season no-one is going to give a feck how the winner won the PL, they'll only remember who did. Chelsea are grinding out wins even when they're not playing well, that's how you win championships.
You don't have to be the best team in terms of quality the league to win the Premier League.
It's not even contes team yet really. I think they've landed on their feet with his appointment
And what i'm saying is you can't take away Guardiola and expect it will be the same. If a team starts playing well, sooner or later people will come to the idea that the players are good. Who's to say that is what the players have all of their own or the manager played a role in it?
Yes, I am.
Guardiola did all that. Sold Ronaldinho and Deco and focussed on Messi et al. Why wasn't Messi being brought in to the team and being made the focal point at least part of him getting to such heights? Busquets is a good example. Who knows how good he would have been had Guardiola not been there? Is his success solely his own or is it due in part because Guardiola, not only showed faith in him, but imparted a lot of knowledge to him?
I wish Jose were doing as bad a job as Guardiola. Citeh were good today and were brilliant at the start of the second half but KDB and Aguero missed excellent chances and failed to kill off the game. Chelsea scored 3 goals from 3 shots on target.
He comes over as a right tool, like he'd eat himself if he was chocolate.
The bloke really does seem to think he's doing the Premier League a favour by being here.
The bloke really does seem to think he's doing the Premier League a favour by being here.
Fair enough it was the season before that, but still, the point remains he was taking over a club with a top level pedigree.
They were good because they have good players. The system was naive, and Bravo is a poor choice. I think they would have won the game comfortably with a more sensible system and an attempt to defend properly.
Were they really brilliant?
And is it just me or Pep's teams usually get defeated like today, on the counters.
Can't say whether Guardiola made tactical mistakes today or just the stars of the team were unlucky notto score a second goal. Costa was immense too. Was unplayable.
Not sure Otamendi really tried tbh.
Yes the match could have gone the other way. They played 3-4-3 though, it was very bold but a bit crazy to leave so many obvious holes at the back - they made it so easy to break on them. And all this despite some very good attacking play. Chelsea had three at the back but were much more compact and defended as a team.
Just one game and they still have a shout, especially while De Bruyne, Silva and Aguero are playing, but I still feel like they are underachieving. A bit like us really.
Such a shame he hasn't called spade a spade, didn't say Aguero's challenge was awful.
Incidentally, I'd say today's performance from City is the closest thing I've seen to us over the past month. They played well, had boatloads of chances and should have put the game away long before they conceded a soft goal to let Chelsea back into it. Chelsea, on the other hand, took their chances expertly. The difference today was that Costa made the most of the scraps he got to work with, whereas Aguero, in what was a most impressive Zlatan impression, wasted chance after chance.
I agree.
I wonder if Pep still thinks the Premier league Is no tougher than La Liga or Bundasliga . 
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It isn't. The difference isn't in the quality of the opposition, it's in the quality of his teamI wonder if Pep still thinks the Premier league Is no tougher than La Liga or Bundasliga .
It is.
Heh, maybe this season it is. It's still too early to tell. Last 4 seasons, No. Just No.
Welcome to big school baldy.
If Pool win 5-0 tomorrow will that change?
Football is so fickle. Ancelotti was the choice of many at the start of the season.
Exactly, yet again this season city have been badly exposed in a match and been soundly beaten yet there is praise from some quarters for aspects of the performance.
Like you said city have good players, playing at home I expect them to create chances. It's nothing most top teams in their country don't do.
Playing as they did today was begging to be hit on the counter. The only way Peps set up today would have worked perfectly is if city literally completely starved Chelsea of possession.
Whilst in the first half they pushed Chelsea's wing backs deep into their half, all Chelsea needed was a slight tactical tweak to expose city. Push Hazard and Willian wider and play early direct long balls. They did that and it was complete chaos.
That's just it, he doesn't seem to have realised that yet. You can't be playing like this in this league, he must surely realise he hasnt got anywhere near the talent he had at Bayern and Barca. You can't ask people like Kolarov, Clichy, Stones and Navas to play in complex multiple roles and positions. I think it's more complete belief in himself and his methods more than his belief in the team. And if he carries on down this road of arrogance city won't be getting close this year. So long may it continue.
I think it is the same way with managers as with players, between the top dogs it is too close to call and it all depends on the environment and their fit with the club.
Just like a great player will be a success at one club, but a failure at another, all depending on circumstances.
No. right now I'd not blame any Chelsea fan if they said they'd no swap conte for anyone else in prem
City don't seem as good a 'team' as Chelsea right now. Pep has made some disasters so far with his signings. bravo is fecking abysmal. He's no better than Sunderland keeper Pickford. Stones is poor. If he wasn't English he'd be worth about 10m to 15m. Sane looks like he could come good. Gundogan decent. Rest meh.
Clichy on for sane was hilariously bad tactics. that baffled me. Costa is better than Aguero this year too. He's immense
Clichy on for sane was hilariously bad tactics. that baffled me. Costa is better than Aguero this year too. He's immense