Manchester City under Pep Guardiola | Pep on City v Liverpool ref: "He likes to be special"
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He's always acted like a cock when his teams drop points. Hardly anything new.
What has surprised me is how arrogant and naive he's been. A slight bit or pragmatism and they'd be running away with it.
What has surprised me is how arrogant and naive he's been. A slight bit or pragmatism and they'd be running away with it.
The 3rd goal is a bit irrelevant when we were chasing the game to that extent. And on another day, KDB would have put the sitter away and the game would have been put to bed, so I read very little into today's result.
But I do think we are getting it wrong tactically. Teams are letting us have the possession, knowing they can kill us on the break.
It's sad you've reduced to petty insults instead if actually replying to the point at hand, still if you're what can you do.
Another solid defensive display btw!
Conte is everything that Mourinho thinks he is. Inspiring man.
Such as?
Forget about the third goal, that was just because City had poured men forward searching for an equalizer.
City should have been out of sight. They should have had at least three goals before Costa scored.
Bravo was very poor for all three goals IMO.
Welcome to every Guardiola season/team ever.
Turning into a bit of a Brendan Rodgers..
By Conte's age, Jose had won everything there was to win at club level. Conte's won a few Serie A titles with a Juve team that completely walks over its domestic rivals, and his record in European competitions is nothing to note.
This is the Pep thread, so i'll keep it relevant. I think reaction is always blown over the top when he (or Jose) lose because of their profile of managing the country's two biggest teams, though I agree there is this tendency to overlook Pep's dark side (like his sarcastic clapping when City got a freekick, if it was Jose, it would be headline news). I still very much respect the way he approaches the game - always looking to be on the front foot, and dominate.
Not enough. Needs to turn full Brendan
Because he won Serie A with Juventus couple of times?
Bald twat is getting found out. Pity, I think they're the best bet to stop Liverpool all things considered.
No, Never go full Brendan...
I don't think today's an indication you got it wrong tactically...that's how teams have set up against Pep for a decade. I just don't think he's sorted your defense out enough yet to be able to fully cope with the counters you'll give up a few times a game. I imagine that will come with time and/or another transfer window.
City seem to perpetually under perform. Their two league titles were won almost despite their managers, rather than because of. I think the squad they've had the year we RvP won, as well as last year and this, they should be running away with it.
This is revisionism to me. It's like people saying anyone would have had lots of success with the squad Guardiola had at Barcelona. Barcelona came 3rd in the season before Guardiola arrived and were 20 points or so off the pace. Juventus were 7th before Conte came to the club. Both those managers made those respective clubs, not the other way round. If you want to question people for being in the right place at the right time, question Luis Enrique and Max Allegri.
With Barca I'd look at it the other way. Guardiola inherited a fabulous squad which had been within one goal of reaching the cl final the year before but had a problem with the coach. Anyone would have had success with that squad provided they didn't start fights with the players.
I would argue this is revisionism too, Juve were Italy's biggest and most successful club before Conte came along, to say he 'made' them as a club is wrong in my view. He contributed to getting them back to where they should be, just like Pep did with Barca after Rijkard. It's not wrong to say that Juve walk over their domestic rivals, the number of titles they have massively outnumbers their closest rivals, not in a century will another team come close.
He never does, believe me. Everyone is a "super, super, great, great player or coach or manager or team or whatever". He also tends to love a lot of his players.
That's a bit misleading re Barca. Yes they were behind in Rijkards last season, but the season before theyd won the league and champions league double, and the league again the season before that, so you're not exactly talking sleeping giants.
Its no wonder the guys a bit loopy when hes biggest influences are Guardiola and LVG it seems.
Poop Guardiolel.
Where's the arselicking brigade now.
Where's the arselicking brigade now.
Jupp Heynckes played that to a tee as did Carlo, hell Jose tried something similar in the league derby but our winger were terrible that first half.
Arguably. I can think of other words to describe him, however.
The game would'be been far from over even if KDB had used his chance.
This is what I meant by made the club. Historically, they are two huge clubs. But it was Conte and Guardiola who ushered in the new era of success.
That is not true.
I'd say he transformed the club. Got rid of Ronaldinho, Deco, brought in Dani Alves and Pique and gave Iniesta, Messi and Xavi a more prominent role. The team Guardiola used and the one Rijkaard used were quite different.
You're pathetic.
Ironically, this all started after the 3-3 draw against celtic.
Wait so Pep got rogered?
Did he say that in Aguero tackle both people were strong there?
Did he really say that?
Did he really say that?
We will call that a day, its one thing disagreeing and having a heated discussion, its another thing stooping petty insults.
Mourinho was already everything Conte is right now.
Anyone would have had lotz of success with that barcelona. Maybe not as much as guardiola, but c'mon, at one point he had one of the top 5 teams of all time
Yeah, but barcelona were a mess the season before guardiola took over, and had virtually no domestic rival in his first season in charge and got lucky in CL. Guardiola deserves credit for that team's success, but to say that that side's greatness was down to guardiola is downright stupid. The spine of that team dominated international football for 4 years ffs and they had one of the 3 greatest players of all time on top of it.
Conte's first title was a fantastic achievement, winning the title with an inferior team against peak zlatan, but milan imploded.
Bolded part is plain wrong.
As for today's game, not guardiola's fault aguero and kdb missed sitters
City under Pep?
Very average.
Very average.
Think his 3 year stint at Citeh will be mostly underwhelming, atleast compared to the expectations from their fans, his fanbois and the press. Might get a league win and a cup, but no way will he make them the dominant force a lot of people had them nailed on as becoming.
By that Barcelona, do you mean Guardiola's Barcelona? Yes, if they played as they were playing under Guardiola, anyone would have had that success. And why does saying they were one of the top 5 teams of all time count agaaisnt Guardiola? Why isn't it evidence of what a great job he did?
Real Madrid were very good that season. I think they had a record points tally in La Liga. And if you're referring to the 6-2 - again - why doesn't that count as an example of Guardiola's brilliance?
The were 18 points behind Real Madrid the previous season and only 3 points ahead of Sevilla in 5th. He transformed the club.
I already explained that.
Obviously he did a great job. What I'm saying is that if instead of giving the team to him, they'd hired johnny the janitor, they've would've still won a lot of trophies and the 2010-11 team would've still been one of the best ever
No, you're mixing up 2008-09 and 2009-10. 2008-09 real madrid was a mess. President was forced to step down midway through the season, manager was clueless, looker room in pieces. Got embarassed by liverpool in CL. 2-6 happened in that season
They were a mess that season. It was the final season of rijkaard, ronaldinho and deco. Guardiola took over a team that had Puyol, Xavi and Iniesta(who'd just won the Euros), plus Messi turning 21 and becoming Messi, Sergio Busquets breakig into the first team and they bought Pique and Dani Alves
For juve, it's not far from the truth. Conte deserves much credit for juve's success over the last 5 years. Still, that summer they signed Pirlo and Vidal, and after that season Milan were forced to sell Thiago Silva and Zlatan and suddenly they had no rivals
As for barca, it's wrong, plain and simple, and i explained why
Best manager in the world my backside. he has been found out and is completely naive. he was never going to be the greatest thing city's fans claimed he would. Conte Is arguably one of the best up and coming coaches and with Jose I think he's had his prime and his aura has gone