No bad blood mate, there's a lot more things to worry about that this, but I agree, we're debating over semantics.
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No bad blood mate, there's a lot more things to worry about that this, but I agree, we're debating over semantics.
I don't think that the stadium was that empty. It would be naive to think that the recent success has not given City an exposure they did not have, nor deserved. Now that they are "successful", they will compete to fill their stadium in an out, or above 95%.
http://www.soccerstats.com/attendance.asp?league=england
They say it was a 98.7% attendance, that or 100%, really, is a player going to notice that?
This link says United was at 99.48%.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/row-zed/fleetwood-town-better-attendance-record-7518530
They will be dangerous, its hard not to be with Silva/Aguero/De Bryne/Sane - they are all lethal players, backed up by Stones who will be a success. Plus if they bring in Bravo then they will be solid. Gundogan remains to be seen whether he will ever regain his true fitness but even if he does, i still think they will miss the Yaya of old. I suspect out of the rest, these will be our biggest threat.
was not all that impressed with Pepsmeare's City.
then again it is his first match. and I cant stand tiki-taka crap football.
then again it is his first match. and I cant stand tiki-taka crap football.
Sorry to do this (I dont like defending city, but not a fan of lies either)
City were ranked 8th last year in terms of attendance (we were third)
http://talksport.com/football/bigge...ball-season-top-25-revealed-160329190066?p=17
As far as fanbase goes, for the matchgoing fans of city, the majority were probably fans before the Arab money.
The average attendances since they moved to their stadium ranged from 39,997 to 46,834 before the arab money arrived. The average last year was 54,046. Thats only an increase of 35% even if you use their lowest average attendance.
http://www.european-football-statistics.co.uk/attnclub/manc.htm
City have the 5th highest average attendance since the PL was created at 37971, irrespective of which league they were in, (this has, of course, increased greatly in the last decade), with Utd top at 64452, Arsenal next at 46139, Newcastle third at 45036 and Liverpool fifth at 42312. It's worth noting that ground capacity limits some of these numbers (Anfield's low capacity, Old Trafford redevelpment, Highbury, etc).
Right now, they have the third highest attendance. Whilst they may not always fill their ground, and UTD's attendance dwarfs city's it is certainly true that their attendances have increased greatly and they were, even 20 years ago, hovering around the top 10 attendances in England.
Relative to us, they may seem small, but that's still a sizable support. Given the irrelevance of the cost of stadium redevelopment, and irrespective of atmosphere or whether they have exhausted their fan base, investing in a bigger stadium makes sense from a financial and growth perspective long term.
As a side point, Leeds have hilariously gone from the 4th highest attendance in the PL in 92/93 to absolute obscurity.
Right now, they have the third highest attendance. Whilst they may not always fill their ground, and UTD's attendance dwarfs city's it is certainly true that their attendances have increased greatly and they were, even 20 years ago, hovering around the top 10 attendances in England.
Relative to us, they may seem small, but that's still a sizable support. Given the irrelevance of the cost of stadium redevelopment, and irrespective of atmosphere or whether they have exhausted their fan base, investing in a bigger stadium makes sense from a financial and growth perspective long term.
As a side point, Leeds have hilariously gone from the 4th highest attendance in the PL in 92/93 to absolute obscurity.
When was the last time you posted on a non-City related topic? You do seem rather obsessed with 'ickle Citeh...
I'm not sure whether it's been mentioned before but I had a season ticket when we were in division 2. By the way, I was most disappointed that we only got about 300 fans less for Guardiola's first home league game in charge at City than Barca got for his first home league game in charge of them against Racing Santander. Maybe we're not so massive after all
So are City a profitable venture for Mansour?
I feel I must apologise as I've only been a season ticket holder since I was 20. By the way, were you one of the 28,500 in the Olympic Stadium in Munich when a Jeremy Goss inspired Norwich turned you over in 1993?
In terms of money generated directly up to now? no.
in terms of good publicity for his emerate worldwide? very probably
in terms of money generated in the future? very probably
The whole idea of City as the 'true' Manchester club is because City have not been historically successful so were unlikely to attract wider support, unlike United, who are one of the most popular clubs. Hence, a higher percentage of City's fans would be from Manchester and the surrounding areas (that's not saying they have more fans in those areas, it's a percentage). The dedicated part comes from the impressive attendances even when in the third division, no denying City have a solid core of loyal support and would do with or without success. As for arguing our fans are 'more' dedicated and true than United supporters, that's just standard rival fan stuff, just the same as arguing Aguero is better than Ibrahimovic. No idea why you're getting so hung up on it.
What have Cologne and Hannover got to do with anything? Good for them. City get higher attendances than Chelsea, Liverpool, Atletico Madrid, PSG and every single club in Italy. Am I supposed to now feel City are in some way superior to them?
Despite going to spain a number of times and Barcelona in particular on a match day 3 times.... i have never had a Barcelona fan harping on about how great they are at supporting a football club, how they have had a season ticket since before they were born, how they have a vast array of inflatable bananas or have mastered a celebration that they stole from some European powerhouse from Poland.I'm not sure whether it's been mentioned before but I had a season ticket when we were in division 2. By the way, I was most disappointed that we only got about 300 fans less for Guardiola's first home league game in charge at City than Barca got for his first home league game in charge of them against Racing Santander. Maybe we're not so massive after all
Or how investors from China were going to send them over the top in global appeal because all of China will end up supporting them. Or how their youth set up is the best in England and proves they are moving ahead of United.
When that hasn't worked out as of yet, act all modest and how well they are doing relative to their rivals.
Check out the change in tone of the City fans on the last two pages and their smugness on the other two subjects when they couldn't wait to tell us how big they are getting.
Their annual income is nearly as big as United's if you remember!!
I love some of the quotes i have had from the blues i work with now we have spent a tonne of money
''Its Rashford i feel sorry for now you got Zlatan'' Dont worry mate he'll still get games
''Lot of money for Pogba that, you've overpaid'' Ironic
''Its not the way to do it though. You got to play the youngsters'' Bar Iheanacho, who have you brought in?
''You're ruining the market'' again - ironic
''Pogba was crap at the Euro's'' EVERYONE was crap at the Euro's
The narrative has always been that with their new financial might we, and all others, would get swatted aside as they built some impregnable dynasty and replaced us as the dominant force in English football. Pep was "inevitable" we are told - as inevitable as this predetermined success. Whilst on the rise and winning we've had quite a few on here generally strutting about and taking the piss out of our relative decline. But I've said it before that a large chunk of their fanbase have actually thought that we would simply crumble into some small, insignificant club whilst they with their new money would turn into a footballing behemoth. Even their captain has spoken in the past of some "inevitable" quadruple glory. Hubris lads. Hubris.
The truth is they've stalled and they know it. The "project" has plateaued and you can tell they're nervous especially now that we appear to be getting our house in order. They are already not the force they were let alone part way to building some dynasty and right now I fancy some of that 9/2 on Stoke to do them at the weekend.
The truth is they've stalled and they know it. The "project" has plateaued and you can tell they're nervous especially now that we appear to be getting our house in order. They are already not the force they were let alone part way to building some dynasty and right now I fancy some of that 9/2 on Stoke to do them at the weekend.
Don't worry - if I see any blues giving it out about those things I'll give them a slap from you mate.
Is there a seperate thread for their CL game against Bucharest?
Steaua are even longer odds tonight - 13/2. Might be worth doubling up
To be honest, any City fan who thought United had gone off the radar forever was living in the land of wishful thinking. The feeling amongst most that I know is that you were obviously going to get your shit together eventually and it's probably taken that little bit longer than even we expected. I thought you might struggle a bit under Moyes but when van Gaal was appointed I felt he'd get you back to being title challengers. It didn't happen but under Mourinho and with the signings he's made you'll be right back up there for sure.
City's best chance of imposing any real dominance on this league was probably after the title win in 2012 when United were our only realistic challengers but we blew it with a rather bizarre summer transfer window, and since then the dynamic of the league has changed where 6 or 8 teams have a real chance of winning it. It would be even more competitive if Arsenal could be bothered to seriously compete in the transfer market!
In appointing Guardiola they've signalled their intent on sitting at Europe's top table. But financial clout and marquee appointments doesn't address the culture clash that they're facing with the core of Manchester City's supporters.
I'm not attempting to be provocative, but you always get the sense that the City supporters who've grown up watching the club, don't necessarily appreciate what is happening around them.
Their infancy is laid bare in the Champions League games at the Etihad Stadium. They've entertained the likes of Barcelona and Real Madrid, yet they can't muster any kind of support. Some dismiss it as 'gentrification', but there appears to be no enthusiasm for European football. And whilst we know many have misgivings about UEFA, Champions League games can make for truly great spectacles on home soil.
I do think City will get there. Their owners are ambitious, but realistic. And they have a board in place to carry out their plan.
Though a belief that City can eclipse the attraction of Manchester United is misguided. Particularly when you consider the ambition that United's own board have set out for the coming years.
who did you's sign that summer? i cant remember of the top of my head but Mancini probably thought he couldn't improve the squad that much, or certainly the starting 11, something i felt Sir Alex fell victim of a few times after title wins.Steaua are even longer odds tonight - 13/2. Might be worth doubling up
To be honest, any City fan who thought United had gone off the radar forever was living in the land of wishful thinking. The feeling amongst most that I know is that you were obviously going to get your shit together eventually and it's probably taken that little bit longer than even we expected. I thought you might struggle a bit under Moyes but when van Gaal was appointed I felt he'd get you back to being title challengers. It didn't happen but under Mourinho and with the signings he's made you'll be right back up there for sure.
City's best chance of imposing any real dominance on this league was probably after the title win in 2012 when United were our only realistic challengers but we blew it with a rather bizarre summer transfer window, and since then the dynamic of the league has changed where 6 or 8 teams have a real chance of winning it. It would be even more competitive if Arsenal could be bothered to seriously compete in the transfer market!
Since I was 2 at the time, no, I wasn't. And I haven't said you all should be season ticket holder for 20 years, but that it's ridicoulus you all seemingly are, going by what your fans are saying.
The Olympic Stadium was pretty crap btw. Glad we got rid of it.
Don't fool yourself. He won't ever get the money back he invested. City is his pet and all City fans should be thanking god he's that young, because a sane ruler would probably scrap the project alltogether.
I'm not even sure it really is great publicity, since it casted further light on a shady regime which would otherwise just go unrecognized.
It is. But its just not a football stadium.
The players don't look fully comfortable with his system yet but that'll come with time. Positive start and Sterling looks like a different player already. Caballero looks awfully uncomfortable in his role as a sweeper keeper but obviously Bravo or someone else will come in.
That second half was an absolute joy to watch. They were very poor, like Villa poor last season, but some sexy football. Amazed at how quickly pep has started to instil his system and tactics.
On to a bigger challenge at the weekend. Can pep do it away at Stoke - shame it's not a Monday night and in winter but hey
On to a bigger challenge at the weekend. Can pep do it away at Stoke - shame it's not a Monday night and in winter but hey
City were very good tonight but the opposition were fecking shocking.
Feck me, what a joyous goal. Impressive that Peps already got them playing like this after two games.
They have exceptional players and the attacking players are tailor made to succeed in his philosophy.
Honestly, I thought on their day City play the best football in this country already. What Pep has to do is instal intensity and mental focus on them, they tend to lose focus every season.
It is a shame from a United fans perspective - it is essentially LVG football but with an attacking edge and purposeful possession.
I think he'll enjoy managing City more than Bayern even though the challenge here will be far greater.
Players seem more receptive and he'll have less club politics to deal with. He looks very engaged at the moment.
There will be some hammerings coming his way as the football seems way too risky but he will be a better manager for it.
Only issue I see is the fan base .. They're pathetic and it must be so demotivating creating a wonderful team with no fans to impress.
Players seem more receptive and he'll have less club politics to deal with. He looks very engaged at the moment.
There will be some hammerings coming his way as the football seems way too risky but he will be a better manager for it.
Only issue I see is the fan base .. They're pathetic and it must be so demotivating creating a wonderful team with no fans to impress.
Why are they pathetic?
Have you ever attended a City (or even a United) match or are you an armchair critic of a subject you know very little about other than some stats?
Sterling may turn out to be a big player for City. I didn't see this coming, tbh. Thought he was terrible last season and looked lost both for Citeh and England. Apparently, Guardiola has managed to reinvigorate him. He was their best player vs Sunderland and was quite good yesterday as well. Won't be easy for Sane to displace him. Still early days though.
I've no intention of watching City unless they're playing United, so can someone explain to me how Pep is accommodating Nolito, Silve, De Bruyn, Sterling, Sane, Aguero etc?
They are what Van Gaal's United could've been if the bids for Neymar/Bale/Muller worked out and ADM didn't bail.
Still early days though and I still want to see them face a team capable of exposing their CM.
Still early days though and I still want to see them face a team capable of exposing their CM.
City scored a goal for every 100 tickets sold against Steau. If that's not pathetic from the fanbase, I'm not sure what is.
Pathetic in the sense they don't really have a fan base not the individual fans they have.
I feel sorry for the club as it seems well run but it does seem there is only one proper football club in Manchester.
More trivial stats. Did you get that from Opta Joe or someone?
The draw for that match was made 10 days before it took place. Practical and financial factors come into it.