Manchester City under Pep Guardiola | Pep on City v Liverpool ref: "He likes to be special"

Incredible manager really. Unbelievable what you can achieve when you have a squad full of the best players in the world.

Except not one of his players are among the best in the world, except maybe KDB.
 
Except not one of his players are among the best in the world, except maybe KDB.

Oh sorry yeah, they're all mid-table level, that's what he's spent half a billion on.
 
It's not how we played, it's rather the simple fact that we got him despite everyone wanting him. People have fast forgotten that we were absolutely irrelevant internationally between 2002 and 2009. Guardiola was our sign to the world that we are back up there. And that we are, most importantly, there to stay. It was a very big deal.

Mate you reached 3 UCL finals in 4 years just before Pep arrived.
 
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Except not one of his players are among the best in the world, except maybe KDB.

You'll have a hard time getting better players in most positions. Bernardo Silva was the muppets wet dream last summer. You just bought laporte and a pile of fb's. Suppose you'll wind up buying another cb again next season, thats one. Midfield cover? Aguero replacement? More experienced winger? Sterling could maybe be upgraded but for all his faults hes a decent player mostly.
I dont think i care when city buy players anymore, its just pushing a really good player out of the team and they have good depth so it doesn't do much there either really.
 
Where are City going to get an upgrade on David Silva? He could hang with Xavi and Iniesta in the Spanish national team. At best, you get a younger player of similar quality that can play more minutes.

I don't see how you can upgrade on Aguero, he's still one of the best strikers in the league. An upgrade on Sterling is possible, but would cost a fortune, and he's doing quite well.

This City team is filled with several top class players and a few world class players (KdB, Silva and Aguero). Upgrading this team will cost Neymar money, because that's the sort of player you'll have to buy to upgrade the team.
 
Where are City going to get an upgrade on David Silva? He could hang with Xavi and Iniesta in the Spanish national team. At best, you get a younger player of similar quality that can play more minutes.

I don't see how you can upgrade on Aguero, he's still one of the best strikers in the league. An upgrade on Sterling is possible, but would cost a fortune, and he's doing quite well.

This City team is filled with several top class players and a few world class players (KdB, Silva and Aguero). Upgrading this team will cost Neymar money, because that's the sort of player you'll have to buy to upgrade the team.

Guardiola doesn't really like him though does he? Wouldn't it be lovely if they sold and replaced Aguero
 
Guardiola doesn't really like him though does he? Wouldn't it be lovely if they sold and replaced Aguero

Well if you follow the cult of Pep, you probably think you can get an upgrade on Aguero. You are right, that it would be absolutely amazing if City lost Aguero, that would massively weaken them.
 
Where are City going to get an upgrade on David Silva? He could hang with Xavi and Iniesta in the Spanish national team. At best, you get a younger player of similar quality that can play more minutes.

I don't see how you can upgrade on Aguero, he's still one of the best strikers in the league. An upgrade on Sterling is possible, but would cost a fortune, and he's doing quite well.

This City team is filled with several top class players and a few world class players (KdB, Silva and Aguero). Upgrading this team will cost Neymar money, because that's the sort of player you'll have to buy to upgrade the team.

Gundogan and Bernardo Silva are good enough to play Silva's role imho. Beside KdB is City's main attacking source now, all the ball came through him. I still believe Pep made mistake by not switching his role with Silva's against Pool yesterday. had de Bruyne played near Pool's penalty box City might've scored more goals. regarding Aguero's replacement they have enough money to buy any top strikers they want, like Dybala or Griezmann.
 
You'll have a hard time getting better players in most positions. Bernardo Silva was the muppets wet dream last summer. You just bought laporte and a pile of fb's. Suppose you'll wind up buying another cb again next season, thats one. Midfield cover? Aguero replacement? More experienced winger? Sterling could maybe be upgraded but for all his faults hes a decent player mostly.
I dont think i care when city buy players anymore, its just pushing a really good player out of the team and they have good depth so it doesn't do much there either really.

It does have that play station feel about it . Squares into round holes too. This kind of mentality will never last for a long time.
 
You'll have a hard time getting better players in most positions. Bernardo Silva was the muppets wet dream last summer. You just bought laporte and a pile of fb's. Suppose you'll wind up buying another cb again next season, thats one. Midfield cover? Aguero replacement? More experienced winger? Sterling could maybe be upgraded but for all his faults hes a decent player mostly.
I dont think i care when city buy players anymore, its just pushing a really good player out of the team and they have good depth so it doesn't do much there either really.

I know, I was just being pedantic. We have a bucketload of £50m players and tbh I don't see how we improve the squad in the summer unless we spend stupid money on a Greizmann or Dybala or something.

Other than that I think it might be moving out a couple of older players (Toure, maybe Kompany, Delph etc..) and bring in similar level replacement (except yaya as he's done as a top division footballer). I can see us sign a 2nd LB, another CM and if Kompany is moved on a CB. Ideally I'd hope that Maffeo and Adarabioyo would get the defensive slots but I won't hold my breath, no way we don't go for a pricey midfielder to cover Fernandinho or even replace him.

He's been amazing for us but he'll be 33 next season and I hope we've learned our lesson about relying on old players from last season with the fullbacks and Yaya debacle.

Think Fred and Ghoulam will be priorities so probably £150m if we go for a 3rd player in the summer.
 
Oh sorry yeah, they're all mid-table level, that's what he's spent half a billion on.

Not my words buddy, I said not the best in the world which they aren't, don't remember saying anything about mid-table, if above mid-table is best in the world, then their are 6 best in the worlds for each position in the premier league alone.

I can name about 10 players better than most our starting XI in their positions bar maybe Silva, KDB and maybe Aguero.
 
Incredible manager really. Unbelievable what you can achieve when you have a squad full of the best players in the world.
Imagine if Mourinho said that :wenger:

Edit: I think the thread title needs to be updated to ensure Peps concern of needing more money to compete is getting through to city's board.
 
It's not about underrating their achievements but about the talk are they the best team ever in the PL. For instance Chelsea won 2 titles in a row and Invibcibles were well invincibles. Even if they went through talking about them as best team ever was way premature.
Agree to a large degree. We had 2 sides who won 3 titles in a row which is domination. they haven't 1 yet. They have had one of the best EPL seasons though.
 
So he's spent hundreds of millions on average players? Whut.

I really wish like the other above poster you would actually read what I have written instead of making stuff up. Where have I written that?
 
Manchester City under Pep

City 1 Liverpool 5

And that's a Liverpool side with half the squad injured or suspended , and their best player leaving at Crimbo!
 
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Gundogan and Bernardo Silva are good enough to play Silva's role imho. Beside KdB is City's main attacking source now, all the ball came through him. I still believe Pep made mistake by not switching his role with Silva's against Pool yesterday. had de Bruyne played near Pool's penalty box City might've scored more goals. regarding Aguero's replacement they have enough money to buy any top strikers they want, like Dybala or Griezmann.

So their upgrade on Silva is already at the club, and an upgrade on Aguero is not high on the priority list according to most articles.

So City are basically spending money because they can, not because their team has holes in it. I don't think Baldy 'needs' more money. Their only real area of weakness is at left back due to Mendy being injured.

This talk of money is also a bit out of place given the context of the CL exit. I don't think their lack of quality was the deciding factor in the loss; it was tactical and a bit of luck. Liverpool have far bigger problems in their squad, but Klopp got one over Baldy in the 1st leg.
 
So their upgrade on Silva is already at the club, and an upgrade on Aguero is not high on the priority list according to most articles.

So City are basically spending money because they can, not because their team has holes in it. I don't think Baldy 'needs' more money. Their only real area of weakness is at left back due to Mendy being injured.

This talk of money is also a bit out of place given the context of the CL exit. I don't think their lack of quality was the deciding factor in the loss; it was tactical and a bit of luck. Liverpool have far bigger problems in their squad, but Klopp got one over Baldy in the 1st leg.

Fair points except we have no guarantee we'll be spending on feck all this summer just because we can, though I do myself think a CM and LB will come in.

Klopp is Pep's kryptonite, no doubt about it.
I thought Pep got it hugely wrong at Anfield but despite the 3 losses in a row, thats the only game I have on him tbh, the rest are on the team, doing what the team did last season and messing up great opportunities whilst Otamendi has returned to shitting the bed every time an attacker gets within 80 meters of our goal. Little bit of luck too, but the players should carry the can for this week just as much as the manager (although his behavior yet again hasn't covered himself in glory.) probably more than the manager actually.
 
You'll have a hard time getting better players in most positions. Bernardo Silva was the muppets wet dream last summer. You just bought laporte and a pile of fb's. Suppose you'll wind up buying another cb again next season, thats one. Midfield cover? Aguero replacement? More experienced winger? Sterling could maybe be upgraded but for all his faults hes a decent player mostly.
I dont think i care when city buy players anymore, its just pushing a really good player out of the team and they have good depth so it doesn't do much there either really.

Stop destroying the narrative with facts! Get with the program! City are very careful with their spending and Baldy has built the best team in PL history with minimal funds and no "heritage". Facts are just boring... So please stop.
 
Agree to a large degree. We had 2 sides who won 3 titles in a row which is domination. they haven't 1 yet. They have had one of the best EPL seasons though.
One of the best PL seasons sure. The best team ever? No.
 
Fair points except we have no guarantee we'll be spending on feck all this summer just because we can, though I do myself think a CM and LB will come in.

Klopp is Pep's kryptonite, no doubt about it.
I thought Pep got it hugely wrong at Anfield but despite the 3 losses in a row, thats the only game I have on him tbh, the rest are on the team, doing what the team did last season and messing up great opportunities whilst Otamendi has returned to shitting the bed every time an attacker gets within 80 meters of our goal. Little bit of luck too, but the players should carry the can for this week just as much as the manager (although his behavior yet again hasn't covered himself in glory.) probably more than the manager actually.

Yeh, I think this is just a bit of deflection from Guardiola. You'll be in and around the title next season; but the manager doesn't like that he's gone out of the CL to a team that aren't really at the highest level. So of course, he's going to buy some more players to try to fix that.
 
Stop destroying the narrative with facts! Get with the program! City are very careful with their spending and Baldy has built the best team in PL history with minimal funds and no "heritage". Facts are just boring... So please stop.

And what you posted is fact, because I literally have not seen that written anywhere by anyone on any forum or paper and looks to me like you pulled those facts clean out of your arse buddy. But feel free to show me an article or forum post by anyone saying Pep has "built the best team in PL history with minimal funds"
 
Yeh, I think this is just a bit of deflection from Guardiola. You'll be in and around the title next season; but the manager doesn't like that he's gone out of the CL to a team that aren't really at the highest level. So of course, he's going to buy some more players to try to fix that.

I think even if we'd won the CL we were likely to go for a LB and CM, plus a megastar if one becomes available. I don't think going out of the CL changes that. I think blaming the ref was the deflection, whilst he didn't cover himself in glory in the 2 legs, he's not the reason we're out.
 
I think even if we'd won the CL we were likely to go for a LB and CM, plus a megastar if one becomes available. I don't think going out of the CL changes that. I think blaming the ref was the deflection, whilst he didn't cover himself in glory in the 2 legs, he's not the reason we're out.

You are right, but the reasons for the signings would probably be different. After the CL tie, Guardiola will probably have been pushed over the edge to get another attacker in. Sane and Jesus might need a few more years to get to that top level. If both of them led City to a CL, then he'd probably think twice about sidelining them for a megastar, and spend money elsewhere.
 
All it takes is for City to be on par with or slightly worse than another team in the league next season in the terms of performance and/or points and people will start saying "Is Pep really all that?" and "City are going down hill!". Football fans can be fickle (look at how They say Barca's way is apparently dead now).

But despite of all the hype, the fact is City aren't here because of some miracle ala Leicester. They have money, They have spent money, They are still willing to spend money, They hired one of the best coach around and They have been doing really well as a club in the past 5-6 years. It's not only Pep Guardiola.
 
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Upgrade this, upgrade that.
Give youth a feckin chance.
I don't understand how they don't have a young natural left back within the academy. Zinchenko won't cut it as one. Why give him all that opportunity in the position when he doesn't have the attributes to be successful in it long term.

A decent winger, dynamic striker, CM/DM backup to Fernandinho + play more youths.

Sell/Loan Jesus, Danilo, possibly Gundogan.


2 seasons with no real progress in the youth sector.
Wonder what they do in that centre of excellence.
 
And what you posted is fact, because I literally have not seen that written anywhere by anyone on any forum or paper and looks to me like you pulled those facts clean out of your arse buddy. But feel free to show me an article or forum post by anyone saying Pep has "built the best team in PL history with minimal funds"

Say what? Read my post again and conclude how serious it was buddy.
 
Can't imagine we'll make ginormous upgrades this summer, but getting the homegrown quota sorted will be our hardest task.

Our squad for next season if we sign say, Fred and Mahrez:

Ederson (24), Bravo (35)

Walker (28), Danilo (27)
Kompany (32), Stones (24)
Otamendi (30), Laporte (24)
Mendy (24), Delph (28)

Fernandinho (33), Fred (23)
De Bruyne (27), Gundogan (27)
D. Silva (32), Zinchenko (21)
Sterling (23), B. Silva (23)
Sané (22), Mahrez (27)

Aguero (30), Jesus (21)

(Average age of outfielders: 26.3)

Players in bold are homegrown. That means 18 non-HG players. For that reason I can see us parting ways with Bravo and bringing back Angus Gunn, who's impressed on loan at Norwich this season. There's currently no rule on homegrown player restrictions in the Premier League but not having eight homegrown players for the Champions' League means we'll have to leave Zinchenko out, maybe?

I dunno, it's an issue that's appearing over the horizon.
 
Can't imagine we'll make ginormous upgrades this summer, but getting the homegrown quota sorted will be our hardest task.

Our squad for next season if we sign say, Fred and Mahrez:



Players in bold are homegrown. That means 18 non-HG players. For that reason I can see us parting ways with Bravo and bringing back Angus Gunn, who's impressed on loan at Norwich this season. There's currently no rule on homegrown player restrictions in the Premier League but not having eight homegrown players for the Champions' League means we'll have to leave Zinchenko out, maybe?

I dunno, it's an issue that's appearing over the horizon.

Not seeing what either of those players bring to the current City team, not in terms of an upgrade anyway.
 
I just read city are after Lemar, Hazard and Alderweireld
Surely that can't be right
 
Not seeing what either of those players bring to the current City team, not in terms of an upgrade anyway.
I don't think we need any "upgrades", per se. Sterling, De Bruyne, Silva, Sané and Aguero/Jesus is a wonderful front five that I wouldn't change for the world, and if Bernardo Silva, Gundogan and Mahrez are in the squad too then we're alright. But we do need a defensive midfielder who's more comfortable on the ball than Fernandinho - I love his defensive work, and he's good on the ball when he has time, but one of the reasons we struggle under a high press is because he's not comfortable in tight spaces. I can't wait for Bravo to leave either - he's been better this season than he was during 16/17 but a shot on target of any kind has a 60% chance of going in whenever he's around. I'd rather bring Angus Gunn back and give him the League Cup and FA Cup games - he can't be any worse than Bravo has been.
 
Can anyone point me to the picture of Pep in the stands with the 3 people that look like him sat nearby?