Manchester City under Pep Guardiola | Pep on City v Liverpool ref: "He likes to be special"

United seems to have odds of 400/1 on winning the league.
Anyone wants to put a tenner on City completely losing it :D
 
Liverpool run 120 km in the first leg and 115 km in the second leg. That's about 9km more than City over both legs. Here is the key (apart from 4 important referee decisions). They outpressed and outrun City. By comparision Barca run just 102 km last night, that's 18km less than Liverpool did in the 1st leg. Staggering difference. When you have inferior players, only running could save you. And Mo Salah.
 
No fan of the Bayern fans in this forum but if Cristiano Lell got banned for that cheek in tongue comment that's a bit ridiculous. I've reported various sexist, homophobic or hateful comments over time and a lot of users seemed to get away with it, his two posts were minor in comparison.

IMO you German tits should all start your careers here with automatic warnings.
 
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How though? You've been great in europe before and after Pep. I just dont get it.

It's not how we played, it's rather the simple fact that we got him despite everyone wanting him. People have fast forgotten that we were absolutely irrelevant internationally between 2002 and 2009. Guardiola was our sign to the world that we are back up there. And that we are, most importantly, there to stay. It was a very big deal.
 
Have fun drinking your light beer than sold at the price of a good bottle of wine here :devil::wenger:


Well let's be real, when you want to get shitfaced you are just drinking some stuff made in some shed, like every Norwegian.

Nah, we buy smuggled beer that German pensioners bring and sell to subsidize their shite pensions.

Minus being that we have to live with the sauerkraut-infused turds they leave by the road from the tanks of their caravan homes, since they are too cheap to pay the 5 Euro fee to have it emptied.
 
Nah, we buy smuggled beer that German pensioners bring and sell to subsidize their shite pensions.

Minus being that we have to live with the sauerkraut-infused turds they leave by the road from the tanks of their caravan homes, since they are too cheap to pay the 5 Euro fee to have it emptied.

I rather thought you were vacationing in some German godforbidden place like the Harz mountains and never leave the Hotel Bar!

Also, those Caravans are Dutch man. It's not Sauerkraut, it's Gouda you are smelling.
 
I rather thought you were vacationing in some German godforbidden place like the Harz mountains and never leave the Hotel Bar!

Also, those Caravans are Dutch man. It's not Sauerkraut, it's Gouda you are smelling.

Those beer guts, leather vests, sunburned bodies and gurgling sounds gives you away. The Dutch are not like that.
 
What is happening the last few pages? Missed all the fun :lol:


Color me surprised. Long overdue.

It's not how we played, it's rather the simple fact that we got him despite everyone wanting him. People have fast forgotten that we were absolutely irrelevant internationally between 2002 and 2009. Guardiola was our sign to the world that we are back up there. And that we are, most importantly, there to stay. It was a very big deal.

Uh no. You make serial CL final and won 1 as part of Treble was. People thought Pep would have kept you as dominant force at the top of the world, which he failed by not reaching CL once as well as the manner you went out to Madrid and Barcelona.
 
Liverpool run 120 km in the first leg and 115 km in the second leg. That's about 9km more than City over both legs. Here is the key (apart from 4 important referee decisions). They outpressed and outrun City. By comparision Barca run just 102 km last night, that's 18km less than Liverpool did in the 1st leg. Staggering difference. When you have inferior players, only running could save you. And Mo Salah.

Thats impressive but no way can Klopp keep flogging them that hard season after season. Hoping for a Dortmund style burn-out of Firmino and co sooner rather than later.

As for Pep... it's enjoyable seeing the so called great manager failing badly again in Europe. But I do fear he'll spend another crazy amount in the summer.
 
So, you are saying that a Derby, vs MUFC, which could see them win the title (against the team which has won the most EPL titles), which gave them one of their biggest league stadium attendances, one of the highest TV viewing audiences of their season, which after losing, had some of their fans in tears....was a dead rubber?

This has to be a WUM comment.
Says a clear WUM. The type who ignores all existing evidence as to how City actually approached the game and plumps for fan reactions instead. Pathetic...
 
Says a clear WUM. The type who ignores all existing evidence as to how City actually approached the game and plumps for fan reactions instead. Pathetic...

If it was a dead rubber, they would have played a full reserve team. Instead they started with a strong team (3-4 regular starters on the bench) and then brought on most of the big guns when the match was slipping away from them in the 2nd half. A lower priority than yesterday, for sure, but dead rubber implies the type of team Fergie sometimes used to put out at the end of the season (like Chelsea 06/07 where various United unknowns got a guard of honour).
 
He's so bitter right now and it makes very easy to hate on him right now. He kept moaning about the ref, being eliminated against Monaco and he even went to say how the ref helped Real Madrid against Bayern Munich. Don't think anyone can be more miserable right now and he might be trying to deflect attention from his elimination but I don't know if he has learned something as he keeps making the same mistakes in UCL.
 
Yeah that's all fair. Luck definitely isn't in your favour atm. Think tiredness has a fair bit to answer for too though. You were really, really sharp and quick to any loose or 2nd balls last time we played you and any time i watched you at the start of the season. You're not atm - your not that slow but you're far from quick.
Jesus form doesn't look great at the moment but give him sterlings chances and you'd expect him to score wouldn't you? Think your being a bit harsh on Sane and Sterling for Saturday at least tbh. They carved out lots of good chances, had great movement, didn't give our full backs an easy time. I wouldn't expect them to be that clinical really. Sane as good as hes been has never looked much of a goalscorer to me. Sterling ... creates a lot of chances, gets on the end of a lot of chances and misses a lot of chances - nothing new there. The shot that hit the post was pure luck, could've happened to anyone imo. I'd rather play against that group of players every time than dropping one for a recognised striker basically. Think 2 goals is about the best i'd hope for from Sane, Sterling, Silva, Silva and Gundogan as an attacking group against anyone good. Think you got them 2 more from us being utterly shit at defending corners and panicking after conceding the first than it being a recipe for success going forward tbh.
I don't think it worked with Muller (who's about as close to the perfect false 9 as you can come) and Robben both of whom score a fair bit more than most attacking midfielders so I'm a bit surprised to see him continuing to use it really. Similar story with them imo. They carved out lots of chances and looked amazing but they weren't really blowing teams out of the water (Moyes stayed in a tie against them for 170 mins or so) and their results against top tier teams were underwhelming from memory. And they had a spectacular collection of players at the time. He could have and should have got more from them really.
Youth is definitely a fair excuse and that shots to goal stat is awful. Rashford and Martial have their ups and downs same as your lot.

Yeah I don't think its purely luck, Liverpool deserved to go through no doubt, and United deserved their comeback but more a when the chips are down we panic. Sane and Sterling I am being harsh on but they along with Otamendi were the biggest culprits. I can't help but feel had they been firing we'd certainly the have PL sewn up and we'd have pushed Liverpool to the wire. Pep himself has said its not about between the box but in the boxes where it counts and the fact of the matter is, in their own box and ours Liverpool have been better, more clinical and a big part of that is Raheem and Leroy. Both are phenomenal players and given very few saw them being key at the start of the season its a testament to them

But in the derby Pogba got 2 chances at goal, two goals. In the CL Salah got 2 changes at goal, 2 goals. Sterling got 5 or 6 across the 3 games and didn't hit the target with a single one. In the big games, the big players hold their nerve. Raheem was the best player on the pitch first half vs United despite the misses but in the end his misses allowed United back in. Sane hadn't as many ccc, but he had a clear volley from 6 yards in the 1st leg and got in great positions but his final ball was much worse than it has been. I think thats the difference right there, Sterling will always outscore most players (I do after all call him the Cavani of wingers) but in the big games and big moments there is a question mark on him. Sane is younger and I'm pretty sure it will come.

This week has literally been like watching last season on replay which is what is frustrating, its not been about United being great or liverpool, its been about us losing our nerve when under a bit of pressure.
I also don't think the false 9 is a great idea or one we are suited to but had we got a 3rd or 4th goal in the derby I'd probably be sitting here saying it was genius.
 
Agree that a lot of it is due to sterling and sane currently not good enough. But then it's on Pep for playing Jesus ahead of Aguero, no?

Aguero isn't fully fit is the official excuse but I was shocked he didn't play, Jesus literally offers 1/2 what Kun does in everything bar work rate.
 
Yeah I don't think its purely luck, Liverpool deserved to go through no doubt, and United deserved their comeback but more a when the chips are down we panic. Sane and Sterling I am being harsh on but they along with Otamendi were the biggest culprits. I can't help but feel had they been firing we'd certainly the have PL sewn up and we'd have pushed Liverpool to the wire. Pep himself has said its not about between the box but in the boxes where it counts and the fact of the matter is, in their own box and ours Liverpool have been better, more clinical and a big part of that is Raheem and Leroy. Both are phenomenal players and given very few saw them being key at the start of the season its a testament to them

But in the derby Pogba got 2 chances at goal, two goals. In the CL Salah got 2 changes at goal, 2 goals. Sterling got 5 or 6 across the 3 games and didn't hit the target with a single one. In the big games, the big players hold their nerve. Raheem was the best player on the pitch first half vs United despite the misses but in the end his misses allowed United back in. Sane hadn't as many ccc, but he had a clear volley from 6 yards in the 1st leg and got in great positions but his final ball was much worse than it has been. I think thats the difference right there, Sterling will always outscore most players (I do after all call him the Cavani of wingers) but in the big games and big moments there is a question mark on him. Sane is younger and I'm pretty sure it will come.

This week has literally been like watching last season on replay which is what is frustrating, its not been about United being great or liverpool, its been about us losing our nerve when under a bit of pressure.
I also don't think the false 9 is a great idea or one we are suited to but had we got a 3rd or 4th goal in the derby I'd probably be sitting here saying it was genius.

Sane wasn't great but played a lot with the ball and was constantly moving and trying. David Silva, on the other hand, was average to poor in both games vs Liverpool. He did worse than both Sane and Sterling. Unlike the latter, he can't be excused with inexperience though.
 
Yeah I don't think its purely luck, Liverpool deserved to go through no doubt, and United deserved their comeback but more a when the chips are down we panic. Sane and Sterling I am being harsh on but they along with Otamendi were the biggest culprits. I can't help but feel had they been firing we'd certainly the have PL sewn up and we'd have pushed Liverpool to the wire. Pep himself has said its not about between the box but in the boxes where it counts and the fact of the matter is, in their own box and ours Liverpool have been better, more clinical and a big part of that is Raheem and Leroy. Both are phenomenal players and given very few saw them being key at the start of the season its a testament to them

But in the derby Pogba got 2 chances at goal, two goals. In the CL Salah got 2 changes at goal, 2 goals. Sterling got 5 or 6 across the 3 games and didn't hit the target with a single one. In the big games, the big players hold their nerve. Raheem was the best player on the pitch first half vs United despite the misses but in the end his misses allowed United back in. Sane hadn't as many ccc, but he had a clear volley from 6 yards in the 1st leg and got in great positions but his final ball was much worse than it has been. I think thats the difference right there, Sterling will always outscore most players (I do after all call him the Cavani of wingers) but in the big games and big moments there is a question mark on him. Sane is younger and I'm pretty sure it will come.

This week has literally been like watching last season on replay which is what is frustrating, its not been about United being great or liverpool, its been about us losing our nerve when under a bit of pressure.
I also don't think the false 9 is a great idea or one we are suited to but had we got a 3rd or 4th goal in the derby I'd probably be sitting here saying it was genius.

He had a few shots from outside the box and on another day he'd have hit the post a bit too. Hes pretty clinical when he does get a chance to be fair to him. Its hard to argue that Salah isn't one of the better goalscorers in europe, at least this season. Sterling has a justified reputation for not being clinical, hes a good player despite it but doubt it'll change. Sane has had much better games.
I'd say you could do with more cover or competition for the pair of them but i think it was a striker you were missing on the day. And with B. Silva and KDB you have options. Bring Gundogan into midfield and push Silva or De Bruyne out wide and you can rest the pair of them.
Theres a couple of City players i've grown to hate over the years and Aguero is one, how Guardiola doesn't adore him i'll never understand.
 
Because, jokes like Guillem Ballbag are Spanish experts in this industry.

Balague is absolute shit but he's 859 million times the journalist that piece of shit is (which says alot given how shit Balague actually is). Castles is like a 12 year old being a Wum on internet forums and than celebrating the fact.
 
No complaints about the ban, yes the decision went against us but Pep has to learn to get used of these kind of decisions, he's not at Barca or Bayern anymore and at City he won't get most the big calls going his way, the way they do for the historically big clubs. It's life and until we become that level of club, he and we have to deal with it.