Manchester City under Pep Guardiola | Pep on City v Liverpool ref: "He likes to be special"

It's not about underrating their achievements but about the talk are they the best team ever in the PL. For instance Chelsea won 2 titles in a row and Invibcibles were well invincibles. Even if they went through talking about them as best team ever was way premature.

They have 84 points in 32 and already have 90 goals. They are already in the discussion.
 
We somehow conspired to lose 5-1 in a very even game. Liverpool deserved to win, as did United at the weekend but in truth we were an inch or two from both being very, very different games unfotunately for us, the balls that were flying in the top corner earlier in the season are hitting the post etc.. lately.

Also Sane has fallen off a cliff and Otamendi has absolutely imploded. Results have dropped but in reality where we were getting the lucky breaks earlier in the season, now they are going against us. In the games v Liverpool alone we've had Salah's first being offside, Robertson pen, our goal ruled out for offside in 1st leg and tonight Bernardo hitting the post, perfect goal ruled out. Everything that feel our way earlier in the season is falling the other way now. Shit happens but no need to panic.

Fair assessment. These things happen. I think next season you wont be as fortunate. Still favourites but you wont be runaways. Many teams will notice that you have glaring weaknesses in defence.
 
Pep's teams are the image of him: intense, driven, controlling and, yes, prone to explode.

A Pep team is almost unassailable when things are going according to plan. His philosophy of football, difficult as it is to execute, is something to be admired when its being implemented well.

When things are not going to plan Pep has a tendency to blow up though and his teams are the same. You have to remember this is the man who had to take a sabbatical after the way Jose got into his head back at Barca. He's like a finely tuned instrument. Pluck the string the wrong way and it just goes. His teams reflect that. Its tough to knock them off their stride but if you can they'll be wobbly for a bit before they find their feet.

The best sides can capitalise on that. I think that's why Pep's sides have this odd tendency to give up goals over short spaces of time. Its like a big machine going down. It needs time to rev up again. In that 10-15 minutes you can do a lot of damage if you have world class players (or Will Grigg! :p)

I agree. He is the perfect coach for a league season.

But from watching him closely during his three years at Bayern there is another thing very obvious: He overacts and overthinks his tactics when it comes to play knock-out matches vs. bigger teams. Then he tends to leave all patterns that have worked perfectly for a whole season in order to do something really special which he believes fits the opponent and the occasion. At Bayern he sometimes played systems they've never played before or he benched players like Mueller, whom you should never bench on the big stage. Occasionally he even admitted that he botched it himself.

I'm absolutely convinced that if he had played both legs as if they were just ordinary league matches City would have advanced. Even in the second leg I believed they had a real chance, just look at Roma. But when I saw his line-up I knew it would be another Pep-blunder: Had he played a regular line-up and not had gone all-in right from the start, he probably still have had a 1-0 lead by halftime. And with a much more balanced team he for sure still would have scored a second goal in the second half without conceding two. Whether it would have been enough to advance I don't know. But I'm sure they wouldn't have conceded two goals, and they would have had a fair chance until the final whistle. But the way he played them City was done in the very moment they conceded the first goal. Typical Pep.

He and his teams appear to be perfectly tuned, measured and composed during league matches but he goes nuts in CL knock-out rounds. I guess he just wants to win it too hard.
 
Pep will leave a machine behind. In the summer I see them targeting natural cover for Mendy, a Yaya Toure replacement to cover properly for KDB and D. Silva aging plus Fernandinho lacking natural cover and another wide attacker who can play as a false 9. All likely below age 26. IMO what Pep is building will out live his stay.

That’s like another £300m if they continue to buy around the £50m price range. There is no chance of that, come on Pep stated they couldn’t afford £35m for Sanchez it makes no sense. I hear you say Laporte but he obviously came on a free a week later....
 
They are a great team. They aren't the best English team in history though as the media was trying to force us to believe, that's all.

Not a great team to they win silverware imo. And not just a league title will do it. But agree they are great to watch but great team at this point no chance.
 
Not a great team to they win silverware imo. And not just a league title will do it. But agree they are great to watch but great team at this point no chance.

This is true. We've had many PL winning teams that weren't great teams - the 10/11 team comes to mind. Heck, every PL winner since has been nothing but a good team.
 
Pep fanboys. And he posts saying he is "neutral" :lol:

Redcafe is infested with pepititis virus.

Bad enough we have Barca fans supporting City, now we have Bayern fans riding Pep's saintly cock as well. Just hope Pep doesn't turn PSG and Juve fans against us in the future as well.
 
What a great sides he puts together.

But

How grim are they? Constant moaning, trying to get people sent off, snidey fouls, always a drama when they lose, intimdating referees, Guardiola hyesterics.

Stain on the game. It shows you the cowardly character of those that love him when you see them supporting this.
 
Bad enough we have Barca fans supporting City, now we have Bayern fans riding Pep's saintly cock as well. Just hope Pep doesn't turn PSG and Juve fans against us in the future as well.

And whole of Spain and Qatar.
 
No, the tweet was merely mentioning that we've lost fewer home games under Mourinho than City have under Pep - albeit to mock the latter.
While conveniently leaving out the part that City had that home game to lose in the first place, as opposed to United who went out of the competition, losing at home to Sevilla..
 
While conveniently leaving out the part that City had that home game to lose in the first place, as opposed to United who went out of the competition, losing at home to Sevilla..

You are either WUM or incredibly thick.
 
I need to stop posting now, I'm strongly setting us up to lose at home vs Sevilla tonight :lol:
 
While conveniently leaving out the part that City had that home game to lose in the first place, as opposed to United who went out of the competition, losing at home to Sevilla..

I'm not sure what your point is. City played at home and lost. That's the way I see it. That's now three losses in a row at home for the greatestest team ever.
 
He was really bad in this match. Before Liverpool scored their 1st in the second half he was driving the ball forward with Firmino tracking back. Jesus was on the inside left and there was a wide gap to slip the ball to him between their CBs but KDB kept carrying the ball forward and eventually Firmino made up the ground and dispossessed him. I thought that was shocking and summed up his performance.

Yep. It was kind of like all the things Pogba's been criticised for this season stuffed into a single 90 minutes.

He's a fantastic player but the real world class players grow under pressure. He's had some kind of meltdown over the two legs. It's created a question mark over him for me. Anyone can strut around showcasing what they're good at when you''re winning 4-0 every week.

Silva as the only one of their forward players I thought had their head screwed on at all, and he got taken off for some reason.
 
United hater you say?
What are you doing here then?
I like to see you suffer. Came here for the Moyes era. The moment you become real successful again, I'll try to deny it for a while and then will disappear. But enough about me.
 
I agree. He is the perfect coach for a league season.

But from watching him closely during his three years at Bayern there is another thing very obvious: He overacts and overthinks his tactics when it comes to play knock-out matches vs. bigger teams. Then he tends to leave all patterns that have worked perfectly for a whole season in order to do something really special which he believes fits the opponent and the occasion. At Bayern he sometimes played systems they've never played before or he benched players like Mueller, whom you should never bench on the big stage. Occasionally he even admitted that he botched it himself.

I'm absolutely convinced that if he had played both legs as if they were just ordinary league matches City would have advanced. Even in the second leg I believed they had a real chance, just look at Roma. But when I saw his line-up I knew it would be another Pep-blunder: Had he played a regular line-up and not had gone all-in right from the start, he probably still have had a 1-0 lead by halftime. And with a much more balanced team he for sure still would have scored a second goal in the second half without conceding two. Whether it would have been enough to advance I don't know. But I'm sure they wouldn't have conceded two goals, and they would have had a fair chance until the final whistle. But the way he played them City was done in the very moment they conceded the first goal. Typical Pep.

He and his teams appear to be perfectly tuned, measured and composed during league matches but he goes nuts in CL knock-out rounds. I guess he just wants to win it too hard.

I agree with you and its strange that, despite losing in similar circumstances repeatedly, he continues to approach the biggest games with extra special plans.

I suppose its a bit like telling a scorpion not to sting or a wolf not to bite, its just who he is. This time next year City will be back in the European Cup knock outs and Pep will be back making another master plan, full of the belief that this will be the one that works.

The strangest element of it is that in his most successful period at Barcelona he never really did that. He played a consistent 4-3-3 with more or less the same players. The biggest innovation in the early days was Messi as the false 9. It was only the year after, when he started experimenting with the 3-3-1-3 with Cesc as a #10 that things started to get away from him.
 
I like to see you suffer. Came here for the Moyes era. The moment you become real successful again, I'll try to deny it for a while and then will disappear. But enough about me.
No no. Let's talk about some more. :D
You deserve a nice, new tagline.
 
I like to see you suffer. Came here for the Moyes era. The moment you become real successful again, I'll try to deny it for a while and then will disappear. But enough about me.

Probably a more interesting hobby than watching the Bundesliga to be fair.
 
To me you can only be considered the best if you do it over a sustained period of time. They will need to retain the title, which City have never done and then go on and win the CL. If they do neither they are nowhere near the best. United, Liverpool and Chelsea have all won it and been to finals, even Arsenal got to a final. City have done neither.

Mourinho Chelsea never made it to the final. Yet they're considered one of the best sides the PL has seen.
 
I like to see you suffer. Came here for the Moyes era. The moment you become real successful again, I'll try to deny it for a while and then will disappear. But enough about me.

Just for you:

 
I like to see you suffer. Came here for the Moyes era. The moment you become real successful again, I'll try to deny it for a while and then will disappear. But enough about me.

:lol: It’s incredible what ‘99 has done to some Bayern supporters. They should be used in clinical trials and experiments.
 
So are we counting just one season and goals and points in it or success over a time period?

The former. Yes. Because City have only 1 season under their belt. It would be ridiculous to compare them to a Chelsea 04-06 or United 06-11.

Or one can wait for 2 years to begin the conversation, but in the meantime single season comparisons are fair.