SER19
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Football takes another step closer to the sporting grave
So basically, if I'm understanding you right, Uefa implement the FFP (insert every other rule) and basically just ask nicely that club's follow suite?It's a mutual agreement between clubs, their national associations, their confederations(ex: UEFA) and FIFA. That's why federations/confederations generally don't like to go to court and have arbitrations.
It always seemed like UEFA had a bit of an agenda against City in fairness. There was a lot of noise coming from the likes of Barca and Bayern around the time that the investigation was being conducted by UEFA, it did seem like there was a bit of 'appeasing the old boys' kind of thing.
Still, doesn't shed a good light on either City or UEFA. UEFA botched the original investigation in 2015 so not that surprising that no further action has been taken. For City, and the likes of PSG, Chelsea etc. it does seem like open season has been declared. UEFA should use this as a motivator to do FFP correctly. At the moment, the only clubs suffering are the ones that actually are in need of the UEFA money for their own sustainability.
Best not to focus on this too much. Win our games and we get third, and we are in Europe on our own merits. Win Eurpoa League and we get a better seeding for the draw. Let's focus on our own house. This obsession with City is a bit like the small minded noise that was coming out of City years ago, 'noisy neighbours' etc and all that. Morally and ethically, all the noise that comes out of that club is just wrong, and somewhere down the line the right thing will be done.
They couldn't prove it because City were going out of their way to block the UEFA investigation
Could not agree more. Felt like this since City’s takeover. I respect Liverpool. Teams like City and Chelsea will never have my respect.As much as i detest Liverpool, at least they are a proper club with history and are winning things properly.
My hate for City has now moved ahead of the dippers. This is a disgraceful decision.
Today is a sad day for the sport, corruption is tarnishing the most beloved sport in the world.
So basically, if I'm understanding you right, Uefa implement the FFP (insert every other rule) and basically just ask nicely that club's follow suite?
What's the best platform to make a petition for all fans of historic clubs to sign and show their owners that they have the backing of us fans to create a non-sheik private League as substitution for CL?
That is why today's ruling is so wrong. If football just becomes a game of "richest owner wins" then the game is ruined.Don't get me wrong I love United to do well and it is important for my good feel factor. However, we don't make the rules or have control over the matters. If rich owners can find sophisticated ways of spending money on their clubs its something we can't do much about.
Appreciate your input!That's pretty much it.
Does he even want to?Get your chequebook out Roman, FFP is dead.
City and PSG are the 2 most obvious culprits in the World. When you take into account the various fines paid, It should come as no surprise that people concerned about the breaking of FFP in football are talking about these 2 clubs.It always seemed like UEFA had a bit of an agenda against City in fairness. There was a lot of noise coming from the likes of Barca and Bayern around the time that the investigation was being conducted by UEFA, it did seem like there was a bit of 'appeasing the old boys' kind of thing.
Still, doesn't shed a good light on either City or UEFA. UEFA botched the original investigation in 2015 so not that surprising that no further action has been taken. For City, and the likes of PSG, Chelsea etc. it does seem like open season has been declared. UEFA should use this as a motivator to do FFP correctly. At the moment, the only clubs suffering are the ones that actually are in need of the UEFA money for their own sustainability.
Best not to focus on this too much. Win our games and we get third, and we are in Europe on our own merits. Win Eurpoa League and we get a better seeding for the draw. Let's focus on our own house. This obsession with City is a bit like the small minded noise that was coming out of City years ago, 'noisy neighbours' etc and all that. Morally and ethically, all the noise that comes out of that club is just wrong, and somewhere down the line the right thing will be done.
UEFA are incompetent feckwits.
Its blatantly obvious what City did, its just that UEFA couldn't prove it. So UEFA went ahead with the ban anyway.
I wouldn't be so quick to call CAS corrupt. Its way way more likely that UEFAs case was piss weak, they even detailed offences that were time barred by their own rules ffs.
This should spell the end of UEFA, but it won't.
Appreciate your input!
Maybe having a sports law enforcement could be something they think about in the future. Bit of a joke really.
historic clubs ffs so football is only about clubs who have won things in that last 5-10-50 years, do clubs like Sheffield Wednesday, Sunderland, West Ham, Charlton etc etc not have proud histories, if it wasn't for the greed of the "historic" clubs then people like Abromovic, Mansour, bin Mussad, Srivaddhanaprabha etc etc wouldn't even have got involved in the PL
This is a thing in civil and criminal law as well though. Statute of limitations/prescriptive periods. For most crimes, you generally cannot be charged and prosecuted after a certain time period in most legal systems.People should realize that even CAS never said City didn't do anything wrong, they just said UEFA didn't catch them fast enough. After 5 years you can't prosecute the crime.
That is just ridiculous. Essentially any team can break FFP regulations, hide it for 5 years and then put up a billboard saying 'Eff off you sh*ts we cheated' and UEFA can't prosecute them.
City and PSG are the 2 most obvious culprits in the World. When you take into account the various fines paid, It should come as no surprise that people concerned about the breaking of FFP in football are talking about these 2 clubs.
Well UEFA need to think a bit more creatively.
I work in fraud detection and many times I know exactly what fraud has happened, but am having a hard time actually proving it. What I don't do, is think "feck it I'll action this anyway" and then it all gets reversed when I'm asked for some evidence (which I don't have).
City are reprehensible for sure, but UEFA are the mugs here. They've been played like a fiddle.
Im confused. If the decision was made because of time-barring (ie City were guilty but the information was brought forward too late) but City themselves have been found guilty of not cooperating (ie kicking the can down the road) then surely that should impact to throw the case out purely on a time technicality??
" the CAS Panel found that a significant fine should be imposed on MCFC and considered it appropriate to reduce UEFA’s initial fine by 2/3"
So they felt it necessary that a "significant" fine should be imposed, but we should definitely reduce the fine so its less significant because - reasons.
This whole thing stinks of something, starting with UEFA, through City and ending at CAS
False flag operation orchestrated by dark forces designed to generate sympathy for City and line a bunch of pockets at the same time. They're all in on it and we're just watching a show. It's 2020 nothing surprises me anymore" the CAS Panel found that a significant fine should be imposed on MCFC and considered it appropriate to reduce UEFA’s initial fine by 2/3"
So they felt it necessary that a "significant" fine should be imposed, but we should definitely reduce the fine so its less significant because - reasons.
This whole thing stinks of something, starting with UEFA, through City and ending at CAS
Other posters claim they actually ended up getting evidence through an illegal hack so if anything they were a bit too creative in the end though I haven't read the verdict so i don't know if it's true.
On the plus side at least the Glazers know they can now pump limitless amounts of their own cash into United without fear of FFP... this was what they were waiting for wasn’t it?
As I posted before the verdict, City likely did not cooperate precisely because they knew UEFA were pursuing a flawed case that would not stand up in an independent court. The fine is purely on that basis - refusing to cooperate.
Reading between the lines, it looks like Uefa were desperate to pin something on City, so they launched their investigation, City refused to cooperate and Uefa ended up with a bunch of charges which wouldn't stand up in an actual court of law.
Tbh it's always going to be hard to get City bang to rights on the sponsorship thing. It's clearly not legit - just look at the amount Etihad is paying City every year FFS - but, on the surface at least, these Emirati sponsors aren't directly linked to City's owners. There won't be a smoking gun email from Sheikh Mansour saying 'please sponsor us XXX million per year'.
In reality, of course, City's owners don't have to influence companies like Etihad. The companies will sign these sponsorship deals as a favour to the Sheikh, without him having to get involved at all.
This is the real problem where City are concerned. They can enjoy a massive unfair advantage over the rest of the competition without even having to leave a paper-trail.
Other posters claim they actually ended up getting evidence through an illegal hack so if anything they were a bit too creative in the end though I haven't read the verdict so i don't know if it's true.