What time period was this exactly?
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What time period was this exactly?
No the point is billionaires fund both sides of the political spectrum in the US to hedge their bets and get tax breaks etc. for their companies from whichever sides eventually wins.
Now you could say that puts them in a morally grey area as to whether or not it makes them complicit with acts carried out by that government. At the very least it would probably make them enablers of that behaviour.
But there's a vast difference between that and being an actual member of or indeed the actual heads of government for one of these dictatorships that directly orders murders, killings, bombings, shootings, decapitations, the subjugation and oppression of LGBT people, Atheists, Civil rights campaigners etc. etc. etc.
The point is tenuous at best, it's been made on here a thousand times and probably pulled apart and debunked even more times. It's a pointless off topic discussion that inevitably derails whichever thread it's brought up in.
We hate our owners because of who they are and what they’ve done, you adore yours regardless of their evils.
that's a sweeping generalisation if I've ever seen one
What war did Obama start? The War on Christmas?Man City fansThere are some decent folk among you, but then there are the likes of you.
Trainwreck of a post after trainwreck of a post.
This is a footballing forum, but since you like to bring up politics let's discuss it.
There is a difference between donating to a political campaign and being part of an organized racket group. Learn the difference.
You mentioned Guantanamo being a death camp. Name me one person that died in it in the last 10 years. Pro tip, you can't because there weren't any. And here's another interesting statistic for you. Under Trump the number of detainees went down from 785 to just 55.
If you want to talk about war, then Trump is the only US president that didn't start a new war or conflict in more than 1 century. That thing alone should blow your mind. This also explains why the numbers went down at Guantanamo. No new conflicts, no new POWs.
And if you want to talk about Venezuela, then a group of 20 mercs that got rounded up in 20 minutes is hardly a war crime considering what the previous administrations did to Iraq, Afghanistan, Lybia, Syria, Middle East in general.
Also Trump wasn't elected by the Glazers. It's not like they put him in power via proxy. USA has such a thing called democracy(technically Federal Republic) something that Monsour can learn a thing or two about. And guess what, the same system decided in 2020 that they don't want him as President. And all of that despite the Glazers funding him.
Your attempt at somehow trying to paint the Glazers as this crime syndicate that plays GoT style games within American politics is laughable. The Glazers only care about the money. They don't care if the US bombs a God forsaken country or not. The only reason they donated to the Trump campaign is to get tax cuts, which he delivered. Not saying the Glazers are saints, but you're just trying to whitewash away the crimes of your sugar daddy by making the Glazers x1000 worse than they are.
Also, let's keep this football related. I'm not in the mood to discuss politics right now.
Not trying to create a tangent, but I simply cannot recall any new wars under him. Maybe Libya?
I’d like you to provide me with three separate direct quotes of City fans (other than David Conn) saying anything at all negative about Abu Dhabi United Group for Development and Investment.
So they've got to be in print or can I just phone a couple of mates who have no love of the owners, or the sizeable LGBT support who have no love of the owners, just 'cos we don't do a green and gold until we're sold (which didn't last that long) doesn't mean we love our owners or would have anything to do with them
There’s basically zero evidence of any dissent whatsoever from those who didn’t have the integrity to stop being City fans after being taken over and made over by some theocratic, slave-owning, feudal lords.
Trying to excuse it with ‘well your owners are awful shits too!’ is laughable. Yeah, we know. We sang ‘jelly and ice cream when Glazer dies’ and you chant your undying affection for some of the worst people in the world.
Not that I’m naive enough to believe that plenty of United fans wouldn’t have sold their soul for a bit of success, difference is, we never had to.
Timing! I was just posting this:
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/04/sports/soccer/manchester-city-premier-league.html
Not that I think anything will come of it, but I'd like them to be utterly exposed for the crooks that they are so we can do away with this houlier than thou, spiritual guardians of the game bollocks the media seem hellbent on shoving down our throats.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/04/sports/soccer/manchester-city-premier-league.html
Not that I think anything will come of it, but I'd like them to be utterly exposed for the crooks that they are so we can do away with this houlier than thou, spiritual guardians of the game bollocks the media seem hellbent on shoving down our throats.
They'll lawyer their way out of this too. Cheats
Isn't it odd, the timing of these tweets always seem to come out when they have an important game.
I don't know who this Tariq chap supports but he seems to have something against Manchester City that's for sure.
Hasn't all what he has put on twitter been done to death already?
I don't know who this Tariq chap supports but he seems to have something against Manchester City that's for sure.
Hasn't all what he has put on twitter been done to death already?
Why would City dislike their owners (as was being discussed above)? They owe their relevance to them.
Very ignorant question but can you explain what is evil about Sheikh Mansour?
We hate our owners because of who they are and what they’ve done, you adore yours regardless of their evils.
Does it matter? The article states
'City is challenging the Premier League in Britain’s civil courts, where hearings have been held behind closed doors, and where publication of material related to the case has been kept confidential despite intense public interest in the case. It is not known what action the Premier League would take if it found City to have breached its rules. Penalties in its rule book include points deductions and fines.
City, backed by the billionaire brother of the crown prince of Abu Dhabi, one of the richest men in the world, waged a successful battle in 2020 when it won an appeal against a two-year ban from the Champions League after being found to have breached separate cost control rules by the European soccer governing body, UEFA. City won its case at the Switzerland-based Court of Arbitration after convincing judges that a time limit had elapsed on the evidence against it. The Premier League’s rules do not have similar deadlines.'
And of course they'll lawyer their way around what everybody apart from city fans can see
yeah that's fair enough but why would City sue the PL if they thought they would get a points deduction? They must be sure they can win if they're going to bring any sort of case.
They are untouchable in the courts.
You mean the acceptable face of a human rights abusing, homophobic, slave labour supporting, multi billionaire family?
Not quite sure what this has to do with the Royal Family though?
I haven’t bothered to read what the actual situation is but I believe the only fair outcome is to hand this years PL title to second place.
You could put any leader of any other country under that heading too.
Yeah, I'm likely being ignorant here. I just thought the issues you explained are seen massively in Qatar but with Sheikh Mansour being an Abu Dhabi Sheikh and I wasn't aware of what they are embroiled in? Can you confirm what it is that he or Abu Dhabi have been guilty of? This is a genuine question for my own understanding.
Can you get flogged or executed for being gay in the UK? Didn't know that.
That's just one example of how utterly shallow these comparisons are. The place is abhorrent in terms of rights of citizens. You're either incredibly naive or defensive of city for some reason
Google is a click away. Amnesty International may also have answers. Just don't hold a mans hand if you ever visit
In fact here's one jot of the many atrocities of the place
Consensual sexual behaviour continued to be prosecuted under Article 356 of the Penal Code, authorizing a minimum of one year in prison for “consensual violation of honour”, a clause that could be used to punish both same-sex sexual activity and extramarital sex. The provision was, in some cases, used to prosecute migrant labourers who had given birth out of wedlock, requiring such mothers to serve prison sentences before being allowed to leave the country.
Its almost as if owning a shiny football club sanitises their global image in some way
Accurate though.
Started 2005, still active 2010. Protest now in 2021. Yes 16 years is not that long.
Why do City fans always deflect and resort to whataboutery when it comes to their dodgy owners?
Strange couple of posts from them. It's absolutely ridiculous the likes of Souness can go on sky and champion ambramovic and the mansour family. Hell even Neville has for the work done in the area. Yeah it is wonderful, but it is a blatant sportswashing exercise. You get the sense they realise that but are not willing to acknowledge it publicly. We have the rainbow campaign here in football and also a team with owners who have an appalling humans rights record. Are we just meant to compartmentalise the bad and take the good whenever we feel like.
It is quickly becoming a situation where everyone involved in football is looking increasingly guilty because of the types of owners we have allowed in to the game. Not to mention the effect it is having on the game itself.
The difference being that most clubs aren't owned by the leaders of countries. Can't quite believe that still needs pointing out.
Because they need an excuse to justify supporting a team with the owners they have. Same with Chelsea fans, most on here seem like sound people, does not change the fact their club is what is because of a russian oligarch.
The average casual fan just doesn't care about any of this.
Not exactly news given a document from the case was on twitter last week and in the Google cache from UK justice website.
Countdown to City being retrospectively stripped of two titles.... assuming they lose anyway
, shame one might go to Liverpool. Guess City of Moscow public interest doesn't matter under US jurisdiction with the 1st amendment... Guess no UK paper can publish anything about it, yet.Some genuinely don't care about anything other than their club being successful. I was arguing that with a self centered Chelsea fan earlier (won't let me tag him). He basically said he saw no issue with the Glazers and that United fans are only moaning cause they haven't won the league. Also said he thought the state of English football was fine and wasn't interested in the amount of clubs like Bury who have ceased to exist in recent times as it didn't impact on Chelsea.
Is it Liverpool or City you support?
True.
The polarisation between fans makes the conversation nigh on impossible. If you're a United fan you just get called bitter or at best get the sort of shallow comparison above. At risk of irrelevance to football Forum, the oppression and repression in these states is absolutely disgusting and to ignore it or try to draw some nonsense equivalence with British life for the sake of a football team is spineless and embarrassing.
Its not city fans fault en masse and its not easy to suddenly resist supporting your team in an already murky sport, but the mental gymnastics defending it and actually celebrating their owners is grotesque. But guardiola will wear his hoody tonight about migrants and make it all ok.
Tonight two abhorrent states are competing for a place in the biggest game in club football and they want it far far more than any of their fans, but for very very different reasons
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We have to take our pleasure where it's on offer these days.
Well Kev certainly isn't a fan.
Would be interesting to see how this gets covered. The CAS ruling - which as a reminder wasn't 'City didn't cheat' it was 'City cheated but it doesn't matter cause it was more than 5 years ago' - was widely heralded very Trump-like as 'see they did nothing wrong and were aquittted'.
Personally I find it all irrelevant. Did City doctor their books for some reason? Almost definitely. Does it matter one bit? No.
The Premier League and football long ago accepted that distorting the league with loss-making cash injections is totally fine, as long as they get their slice.
Personally I find it all irrelevant. Did City doctor their books for some reason? Almost definitely. Does it matter one bit? No.
The Premier League and football long ago accepted that distorting the league with loss-making cash injections is totally fine, as long as they get their slice.