Manager draft

Wasn't it during Trap's time at Milan, that the club president wanted to sell him? Which lead to Rivera simply buying the club with a few rich friends, fire the president and become president himself while still playing? Always thought that was awesome.

I know that I sound like a hater (I am a bit, tbf, as I want my whole pool back :lol:), but 75/76 season was probably the worst in his career - I'd took a few unpicked players before him, especially with his forwards. Only 14(22) matches too.

And his average media rating (Gazzetta+Corriere+Tuttosport+Guerin) is 5.89, for what it's worth
But Trap took over at Milan long before that season, right? I'm pretty sure Trap was already the manager in the Cup winner's cup final against Magdeburg in '74.
 
Wasn't it during Trap's time at Milan, that the club president wanted to sell him? Which lead to Rivera simply buying the club with a few rich friends, fire the president and become president himself while still playing? Always thought that was awesome.


But Trap took over at Milan long before that season, right? I'm pretty sure Trap was already the manager in the Cup winner's cup final against Magdeburg in '74.

He was a caretaker for a few months in the end of 1974 - I don't remember if that counts.
 
He was a caretaker for a few months in the end of 1974 - I don't remember if that counts.
Oh that's possible. Just have that image of a very very young version of him sitting on the bench in that final and losing against Magdeburg in my head. I think caretaker counts, yes. As long as he was in charge and the player regularly played under him, I don't see why it shouldn't.

That Luxemburgo guy Annah picked as manager is basically a lifelong caretaker, don't think he ever stayed more than a year at any club.
 
Wasn't it during Trap's time at Milan, that the club president wanted to sell him? Which lead to Rivera simply buying the club with a few rich friends, fire the president and become president himself while still playing? Always thought that was awesome.


But Trap took over at Milan long before that season, right? I'm pretty sure Trap was already the manager in the Cup winner's cup final against Magdeburg in '74.

:lol: Legend.
 
If I'm not mistaken, he did not succeed in this though, but he certainly said that he would buy the club and tried to find the investors :lol:
 
The club definitely changed owners and got a new president while Rivera stayed. I might have romanticised it a bit though and it wasn't Rivera himself who eventually became president.
 
Xabi Alonso

I'm wondering about him for a while now. How good was he at his peak? I'm really starting to believe that I underrated him all his career, because what he shows at the moment is completely out of this world. And that's really not my Bayern bias speaking, it's just incredible. He plays better than Busquets ever did for Barca in that holding role at the moment. I always thought he was a bit vulnerable to pressing, takes too long on the ball, is a bit too slow for the sole defensive role, is the odd one out in Spain's midfield and they were better off just playing Busquets, Xavi, Iniesta and leave him out. But he walked into Pep's Bayern side when Schweinsteiger, Martinez and Thiago were injured and instantly made the midfield his own. He's pulling the strings, shielding a back 3 with brilliant defensive displays, keeps the game ticking, but at the same time still uses his brilliant passing range to get our wide players involved. It's really incredible, absolutely fantastic and he's an incredible character as well, clearly one of the leaders in the team at the moment.

Okay maybe there is a bit Bayern bias in there, but ask any Bayern fan in the world at the moment if they miss Schweinsteiger or Kroos right now and everyone will say no. Is Pep a magician, could he really teach a seasoned player like Alonso so much about football and improve him further when he should be declining? Or did I just underrate Alonso so far?
 
I'm thinking about the order of my picks, but stay around, it won't be long
 
I'll take yet another Juventus legend, Giuseppe Furino, the player that won 8 Serie A titles and captained Juventus team for 10 years. He really made the position of №4 his own. Welcome home, Furia!

27427.jpg


dino-zoff.jpg


And Dino Zoff, who doesn't really need any introduction.

@Stobzilla
 
I'm wondering about him for a while now. How good was he at his peak? I'm really starting to believe that I underrated him all his career, because what he shows at the moment is completely out of this world. And that's really not my Bayern bias speaking, it's just incredible. He plays better than Busquets ever did for Barca in that holding role at the moment. I always thought he was a bit vulnerable to pressing, takes too long on the ball, is a bit too slow for the sole defensive role, is the odd one out in Spain's midfield and they were better off just playing Busquets, Xavi, Iniesta and leave him out. But he walked into Pep's Bayern side when Schweinsteiger, Martinez and Thiago were injured and instantly made the midfield his own. He's pulling the strings, shielding a back 3 with brilliant defensive displays, keeps the game ticking, but at the same time still uses his brilliant passing range to get our wide players involved. It's really incredible, absolutely fantastic and he's an incredible character as well, clearly one of the leaders in the team at the moment.

Okay maybe there is a bit Bayern bias in there, but ask any Bayern fan in the world at the moment if they miss Schweinsteiger or Kroos right now and everyone will say no. Is Pep a magician, could he really teach a seasoned player like Alonso so much about football and improve him further when he should be declining? Or did I just underrate Alonso so far?

I'm wondering that myself. I rated him very highly in his early Real Madrid career, but I guess what I later held against him was largely a few of the games vs peak Barcelona where he and the rest of a strong on paper Madrid midfield just couldn't get near them. It'll be interesting if he can sustain a late-career renaissance at the level of Pirlo's at Juve (or higher) and the early signs are that its very possible. I've been surprised at his energy levels for Bayern so far. I really thought his legs were starting to go, but he's covering plenty of ground, getting up the pitch, and making tackles, as well as displaying his incredible range of passing.
 
But Trap took over at Milan long before that season, right? I'm pretty sure Trap was already the manager in the Cup winner's cup final against Magdeburg in '74.
That's right yes. That was in the middle of Rivera leading Milan to two successive European finals. So pretty relaxed about the peak issue there.

Annah clarified the caretaker point earlier on. After all Raees snapped up Laudrup on the basis of a 3-day caretaker stint from Del Bosque.
 
I'm wondering about him for a while now. How good was he at his peak? I'm really starting to believe that I underrated him all his career, because what he shows at the moment is completely out of this world. And that's really not my Bayern bias speaking, it's just incredible. He plays better than Busquets ever did for Barca in that holding role at the moment. I always thought he was a bit vulnerable to pressing, takes too long on the ball, is a bit too slow for the sole defensive role, is the odd one out in Spain's midfield and they were better off just playing Busquets, Xavi, Iniesta and leave him out. But he walked into Pep's Bayern side when Schweinsteiger, Martinez and Thiago were injured and instantly made the midfield his own. He's pulling the strings, shielding a back 3 with brilliant defensive displays, keeps the game ticking, but at the same time still uses his brilliant passing range to get our wide players involved. It's really incredible, absolutely fantastic and he's an incredible character as well, clearly one of the leaders in the team at the moment.

Okay maybe there is a bit Bayern bias in there, but ask any Bayern fan in the world at the moment if they miss Schweinsteiger or Kroos right now and everyone will say no. Is Pep a magician, could he really teach a seasoned player like Alonso so much about football and improve him further when he should be declining? Or did I just underrate Alonso so far?

You have underrated him so far. Xabi was always class. The first time I watched him was with Sociedad in THAT season when they lost the La Liga on the last day. Those days, I used to be La Liga fanatic and he was playing brilliantly. Then Liverpool bought him and almost every Liverpool fan fell in love with him. It was Everton we played and Gerrard got sent off. Xabi's performance in that game was one of the best I had seen from a central midfielder. He was simply sensational. Watch this pass to Luis Garcia. On thr turn, with his weaker foot.



His form dropped a bit in the next one odd year but that was due to injuries and stuffs. That 2008-09 season, Liverpool challenged for the league title, Xabi was Liverpool's best and most important player. We played games without both Gerrard and Torres, yet we won because Xabi was stamping his authority on games regularly.

It was the same with Real Madrid as well. Even though Cristiano was the best player, Xabi was as important as him, if not more. There is a reason the likes of Klopp, Jupp and Pep pressed Xabi ferociously to ensure Real Madrid's transition from defence to attack is slower as they knew how important Xabi's service from deep is for Real's counter-attacks. And no wonder, Real Madrid struggled.

Every manager he has worked with love him to core. He is basically the manager on the pitch. Be it for Rafa at Liverpool, Mourinho at Madrid or now Pep at Bayern. Even though Rafa and he had a fall-out, and that was down to some personal issues, Rafa always knew how special Xabi was.
 
I'm wondering about him for a while now. How good was he at his peak? I'm really starting to believe that I underrated him all his career, because what he shows at the moment is completely out of this world. And that's really not my Bayern bias speaking, it's just incredible. He plays better than Busquets ever did for Barca in that holding role at the moment. I always thought he was a bit vulnerable to pressing, takes too long on the ball, is a bit too slow for the sole defensive role, is the odd one out in Spain's midfield and they were better off just playing Busquets, Xavi, Iniesta and leave him out. But he walked into Pep's Bayern side when Schweinsteiger, Martinez and Thiago were injured and instantly made the midfield his own. He's pulling the strings, shielding a back 3 with brilliant defensive displays, keeps the game ticking, but at the same time still uses his brilliant passing range to get our wide players involved. It's really incredible, absolutely fantastic and he's an incredible character as well, clearly one of the leaders in the team at the moment.

Okay maybe there is a bit Bayern bias in there, but ask any Bayern fan in the world at the moment if they miss Schweinsteiger or Kroos right now and everyone will say no. Is Pep a magician, could he really teach a seasoned player like Alonso so much about football and improve him further when he should be declining? Or did I just underrate Alonso so far?
I'd say he was a little under-rated on here. Initially he was set against Carrick when at Liverpool, then some of the Arsenal fans underplayed his ability relative to Fabregas, and latterly the Barcelona fans when he was at Madrid. But he's been top class since he was running the show at Sociedad.
 
I'm wondering that myself. I rated him very highly in his early Real Madrid career, but I guess what I later held against him was largely a few of the games vs peak Barcelona where he and the rest of a strong on paper Madrid midfield just couldn't get near them. It'll be interesting if he can sustain a late-career renaissance at the level of Pirlo's at Juve (or higher) and the early signs are that its very possible. I've been surprised at his energy levels for Bayern so far. I really thought his legs were starting to go, but he's covering plenty of ground, getting up the pitch, and making tackles, as well as displaying his incredible range of passing.

Yes. Thing is Xabi wasn't quick on the turn like a Xavi, Busquets or Iniesta. So, if you press him, you can negate him. But he would still deliver. However, the issue with those El Clasico games was his midfield partners were Khedira and Ozil. Khedira didn't have the technique to provide support for Xabi on the ball and Ozil, for a number ten, rarely dropped deep to help the midfield out when the team isn't in possession.
 
Yes. Thing is Xabi wasn't quick on the turn like a Xavi, Busquets or Iniesta. So, if you press him, you can negate him. But he would still deliver. However, the issue with those El Clasico games was his midfield partners were Khedira and Ozil. Khedira didn't have the technique to provide support for Xabi on the ball and Ozil, for a number ten, rarely dropped deep to help the midfield out when the team isn't in possession.
That's probably still true, however Pep's midfield organisation really helps with that a lot. He has no problems against pressing at the moment in my opinion, because there's always an easy passing option available with all the movement around him. That really makes the job easier in comparison to Ramos and Pepe behind you, Khedira storming forward and Özil being about 30m away and only accessible through a long ball.
 
Yes. Thing is Xabi wasn't quick on the turn like a Xavi, Busquets or Iniesta. So, if you press him, you can negate him. But he would still deliver. However, the issue with those El Clasico games was his midfield partners were Khedira and Ozil. Khedira didn't have the technique to provide support for Xabi on the ball and Ozil, for a number ten, rarely dropped deep to help the midfield out when the team isn't in possession.

True. I overrated Ozil's overall contribution in the big games quite a bit, which probably made me judge Xabi's contribution more harshly as well. I've got to say Bayern are far and away the team whose games I try to watch most at the minute (apart from Utd). Its just awesome seeing Xabi perform in such a great team.
 
That's probably still true, however Pep's midfield organisation really helps with that a lot. He has no problems against pressing at the moment in my opinion, because there's always an easy passing option available with all the movement around him. That really makes the job easier in comparison to Ramos and Pepe behind you, Khedira storming forward and Özil being about 30m away and only accessible through a long ball.

Yep.

You need support when you are pressed like that and Madrid side hardly offered him any. Pep is on a different level to Mourinho when it comes to keeping the possession. So, he has a lot more players aroudn Xabi who are willing to be available for a pass. That helps a lot, like you said.

I can't wait for Bastian to be back. A midfield of Bastian - Alonso with Alaba going back to the LWB role isntead of Bernat looks extremely tasty. He has started training, right? Bastian ie.
 
True. I overrated Ozil's overall contribution in the big games quite a bit, which probably made me judge Xabi's contribution more harshly as well. I've got to say Bayern are far and away the team whose games I try to watch most at the minute (apart from Utd). Its just awesome seeing Xabi perform in such a great team.

Xabi would be a great manager as well. I am quite confident about it. He has worked under some top managers in modern era, all of whom share different ideologies and the fact that he relished under all of them would help him a lot when he becomes a manager.
 
True. I overrated Ozil's overall contribution in the big games quite a bit, which probably made me judge Xabi's contribution more harshly as well. I've got to say Bayern are far and away the team whose games I try to watch most at the minute (apart from Utd). Its just awesome seeing Xabi perform in such a great team.
Good choice, we're awesome :drool: . I also don't get how anyone can find Pep's tactics boring. It's wonderful to watch him develop a team that plays in formations that simply shouldn't work.

Look at that set-up and tell me it wouldn't get ripped apart in one of the draft games as impossible to work:

B0fpvHoCAAAPlTS.jpg
 
For what it's worth, I called Alonso the best midfielder in Real's CL semifinals against Bayern last year long before he signed for us, thought he had completely outshone Modric in both games against us and I was delighted when we signed him, so I did rate him, just nowhere near as highly as I do now. I expected him to be a stop-gap until Schweinsteiger is back, but right now I'm just excited about watching both of them play together.
 
Good choice, we're awesome :drool: . I also don't get how anyone can find Pep's tactics boring. It's wonderful to watch him develop a team that plays in formations that simply shouldn't work.

Look at that set-up and tell me it wouldn't get ripped apart in one of the draft games as impossible to work:

B0fpvHoCAAAPlTS.jpg

That formation against United, where God knows what he was trying was so exciting. :D

This is one thing he has over the likes of Sacchi and all. He isn't rigid with his formations. I have seen him use all sorts of formation starting from 4-3-3 to 3-4-3 to 3-3-4 and now this.
 
Good choice, we're awesome :drool: . I also don't get how anyone can find Pep's tactics boring. It's wonderful to watch him develop a team that plays in formations that simply shouldn't work.

Look at that set-up and tell me it wouldn't get ripped apart in one of the draft games as impossible to work:
B0fpvHoCAAAPlTS.jpg

True. I'd have laughed my nephew out of the room if he'd ever tried to set up a team like that on FIFA on the Playstation! Pep's tactics at Barca had somewhat lost their entertainment value for me towards the end of his time there, but there seems to be alot more variety to Bayern's play, even more so now that Lewandowski has arrived.
 

01. Harms:-
Giovanni Trapattoni - 1. Platini 2. Scirea 3. Boniek 4. Bergomi 5. Gentile 6. Cuccureddu 7. Benetti 8. P. Rossi 9. Furino 10. Zoff
02. AngeloHenriquez/Stobzilla:- Fabio Capello- 1. F. Baresi 2. Gullit 3. Van Basten 4. Hierro 5. Totti 6. Samuel 7. Emerson 8. Boban 9. Tassotti 10. Candela
03. Jayvin:- Carlo Ancelotti - 1. Davids 2. Kaka 3. Cannavaro 4. Shevchenko 5. Ashley Cole 6. Drogba 7. Thiago Silva 8. G. Buffon 9. Alonso
04. Paolo Di Canio:- Louis Van Gaal - 1. Rijkaard 2. Rivaldo 3. Guardiola 4. Ribéry 5. Kluivert 6. Blind 7. Van Bommel 8. Overmars 9 F. De Boer
05. Skizzo:- Udo Lattek - 1. Maradona 2. G. Müller 3. Breitner 4. Rummenigge 5. Augenthaler 6. Lerby 7. Roth 8. Stielike 9. J. Hansen
06. MJJ:- Marcello Lippi - 1. R. Baggio 2. Thuram 3. Del Piero 4. Vieri 5. Ferrara 6. Zambrotta 7. Conte 8.Deschamps 9. Zanetti
07. Joga Bonito:- Udo Lattek - 1. Beckenbauer 2. Schuster 3. Vogts 4. Brehme 5. Schwarzenbeck 6. Hoeneß 7. Bonhof 8. Wimmer 9. Maier
08. Balu/PedroMendez:- Béla Guttmann - 1. Bozsik 2. Puskás 3. C. Maldini 4. Grosics 5. Mauro Ramos 6. Coluna 7. Augusto 8. Eusebio 9. Joya
09. Raees:- Vicente Del Bosque - 1. Ronaldo 2. Figo 3. M. Laudrup 4. Seedorf 5. Sanchis 6. Helguera 7. L. Enrique 8. Iligner 9. Zamorano 12. Makelele
10. Cutch:- Alex Ferguson - 1. Beckham 2. Stam 3. Van Nistelrooy 4. Cantona 5. Ferdinand 6. Irwin 7. Schmeichel 8. G. Neville 9. Keane
11. Gio:- Giovanni Trapattoni - 1. Matthäus 2. Batistuta 3. Tardelli 4. Kohler 5. Cabrini 6. Reuter 7. Klinsmann 8. Passarella 9. Rivera
12. Edgar Allan Pillow:- Fabio Capello - 1. P. Maldini 2. Nedved 3. Redondo 4. Desailly 5. Savićević 6. Costacurta 7. Albertini 8. Donadoni 9. Panucci
13. The Red Viper:- Pep Guardiola - 1. Lahm 2. Robben 3. Puyol 4. Xavi 5. Iniesta 6. Henry 7. Piqué 8. Busquets 9. Messi
14. DanNistelrooy:- Carlo Ancelotti - 1. C. Ronaldo 2. Nesta 3. Pirlo 4. Gattuso 5. Bale 6. Ibrahimovic 7. Di María 8. Terry 9. Ivanović
15. Annahnomoss:- Vanderlei Luxemburgo - 1. Zidane 2. Cafu 3. R. Carlos 4. Raul 5. Gamarra 6. Dida 7. Mauro Silva 8. Ze Roberto 9. Mazinho 10. Ronaldinho 11. Leonardo 12. Romario
16. Crappycraperson:- Rinus Michels - 1. Migueli 2. Cruyff 3. Neeskens 4. Krol 5. Asensi 6. Haan 7. Suurbier 8. Littbarski 9. Schumacher 12. Kiezer
 
That formation against United, where God knows what he was trying was so exciting. :D
It was kinda cool to see an old school WM formation, not the modern WM from the late 50's and 60's, really the old one, played in a CL semifinal. Okay it sucked, but still.
 
It was kinda cool to see an old school WM formation, not the modern WM from the late 50's and 60's, really the old one, played in a CL semifinal. Okay it sucked, but still.

Yes. That is the reason I want Pep to manage a small club where there is not much expectations so that he can try different formations and style etc. Because at clubs like Barca, Bayern etc he won't get full freedom for going full yolo.
 
Yes. That is the reason I want Pep to manage a small club where there is not much expectations so that he can try different formations and style etc. Because at clubs like Barca, Bayern etc he won't get full freedom for going full yolo.
He can't seriously go even more full yolo than he already does. Anyway, he's ours for now, hope he stays 5-6 years and does something even more crazy towards the end of his spell here.
 
Antonio Benarrivo

01. Harms:- Giovanni Trapattoni - 1. Platini 2. Scirea 3. Boniek 4. Bergomi 5. Gentile 6. Cuccureddu 7. Benetti 8. P. Rossi 9. Furino 10. Zoff
02. AngeloHenriquez/Stobzilla:- Fabio Capello- 1. F. Baresi 2. Gullit 3. Van Basten 4. Hierro 5. Totti 6. Samuel 7. Emerson 8. Boban 9. Tassotti 10. Candela
03. Jayvin:- Carlo Ancelotti - 1. Davids 2. Kaka 3. Cannavaro 4. Shevchenko 5. Ashley Cole 6. Drogba 7. Thiago Silva 8. G. Buffon 9. Alonso 10. Benarrivo
04. Paolo Di Canio:- Louis Van Gaal - 1. Rijkaard 2. Rivaldo 3. Guardiola 4. Ribéry 5. Kluivert 6. Blind 7. Van Bommel 8. Overmars 9 F. De Boer
05. Skizzo:- Udo Lattek - 1. Maradona 2. G. Müller 3. Breitner 4. Rummenigge 5. Augenthaler 6. Lerby 7. Roth 8. Stielike 9. J. Hansen
06. MJJ:- Marcello Lippi - 1. R. Baggio 2. Thuram 3. Del Piero 4. Vieri 5. Ferrara 6. Zambrotta 7. Conte 8.Deschamps 9. Zanetti
07. Joga Bonito:- Udo Lattek - 1. Beckenbauer 2. Schuster 3. Vogts 4. Brehme 5. Schwarzenbeck 6. Hoeneß 7. Bonhof 8. Wimmer 9. Maier
08. Balu/PedroMendez:- Béla Guttmann - 1. Bozsik 2. Puskás 3. C. Maldini 4. Grosics 5. Mauro Ramos 6. Coluna 7. Augusto 8. Eusebio 9. Joya
09. Raees:- Vicente Del Bosque - 1. Ronaldo 2. Figo 3. M. Laudrup 4. Seedorf 5. Sanchis 6. Helguera 7. L. Enrique 8. Iligner 9. Zamorano 12. Makelele
10. Cutch:- Alex Ferguson - 1. Beckham 2. Stam 3. Van Nistelrooy 4. Cantona 5. Ferdinand 6. Irwin 7. Schmeichel 8. G. Neville 9. Keane
11. Gio:- Giovanni Trapattoni - 1. Matthäus 2. Batistuta 3. Tardelli 4. Kohler 5. Cabrini 6. Reuter 7. Klinsmann 8. Passarella 9. Rivera
12. Edgar Allan Pillow:- Fabio Capello - 1. P. Maldini 2. Nedved 3. Redondo 4. Desailly 5. Savićević 6. Costacurta 7. Albertini 8. Donadoni 9. Panucci
13. The Red Viper:- Pep Guardiola - 1. Lahm 2. Robben 3. Puyol 4. Xavi 5. Iniesta 6. Henry 7. Piqué 8. Busquets 9. Messi
14. DanNistelrooy:- Carlo Ancelotti - 1. C. Ronaldo 2. Nesta 3. Pirlo 4. Gattuso 5. Bale 6. Ibrahimovic 7. Di María 8. Terry 9. Ivanović
15. Annahnomoss:- Vanderlei Luxemburgo - 1. Zidane 2. Cafu 3. R. Carlos 4. Raul 5. Gamarra 6. Dida 7. Mauro Silva 8. Ze Roberto 9. Mazinho 10. Ronaldinho 11. Leonardo 12. Romario
16. Crappycraperson:- Rinus Michels - 1. Migueli 2. Cruyff 3. Neeskens 4. Krol 5. Asensi 6. Haan 7. Suurbier 8. Littbarski 9. Schumacher 12. Kiezer

@Paolo Di Canio
 
Good choice, we're awesome :drool: . I also don't get how anyone can find Pep's tactics boring. It's wonderful to watch him develop a team that plays in formations that simply shouldn't work.

Look at that set-up and tell me it wouldn't get ripped apart in one of the draft games as impossible to work:

B0fpvHoCAAAPlTS.jpg

Nah, it's fine since they are playing a bunch of nobodies.
 
Good choice, we're awesome :drool: . I also don't get how anyone can find Pep's tactics boring. It's wonderful to watch him develop a team that plays in formations that simply shouldn't work.

Look at that set-up and tell me it wouldn't get ripped apart in one of the draft games as impossible to work:

B0fpvHoCAAAPlTS.jpg

If Lahm is covering the right back position(doesnt look like it given the graph) then thats not far of a 4-4-2.
 
Tassotti
...
Candela

Told you you had dropped a bollock. You can't try deploy a Capello 3-5-2 and leave the wingbacks so late, let alone Panucci who can play wide or as RCB.

Has there ever been another manager who consistently took a player everywhere he went? Milan, Real, Roma, wherever Capello was Panucci moved there soon after.

Yeah, I know, Harry Redknapp probably has 100 players he did that with at a dozen clubs, but none of them of the stature of Real, Milan, or even Roma.

Unless, of course, I rumbled your plans:
TC-PAD-RT14-062-UK.JPG