Manager draft

[Skizzo]

I'm online during the day.

I sent you a PM. thanks!

 

[harms]

Sounds deadly to me. I was actually more worried about those two against Boris than Romario-Kalle against Viva.

Depends on the formation - I didn't think about the obvious one yesterday, was very frustrated after our game. Though I'm sure that it has a few flaws anyway, one or two, depends on their next picks, but I'll leave it for the game

 

[Stobzilla]

I pick Emerson I'm still deciding my second pick.

Harms picks

Romeo Benetti and Paolo Rossi

 

[harms]

Spoiler

The Athlone team however, were not looking forward to the prospect of going toe-to-toe with Romeo Benetti, as nineteen-year-old Cyril Barnicle remarked:

"Benetti was a rough nut, a physically very strong man, very muscular, like Gattuso all right but physically much stronger and much more dangerous. If he hit you with his strength he could break you. Gattuso, now, is tigerish but hasn't the same physical presence whereas this lad was very, very strong, like a little bull".

 

[Stobzilla]

2nd Pick

Zvonimir Boban

@Jayvin

 

[Stobzilla]

01. Harms:- Giovanni Trapattoni - 1. Platini 2. Scirea 3. Boniek 4. Bergomi 5. Gentile 6. Cuccureddu 7. Benetti 8. Rossi
02. AngeloHenriquez/Stobzilla:- Fabio Capello- 1. F. Baresi 2. Gullit 3. Van Basten 4. Hierro 5. Totti 6. Samuel 7. Emerson 8. Boban
03. Jayvin:- Carlo Ancelotti - 1. Davids 2. Kaka 3. Cannavaro 4. Shevchenko 5. Ashley Cole 6. Drogba 7. Thiago Silva
04. Paolo Di Canio:- Louis Van Gaal - 1. Rijkaard 2. Rivaldo 3. Guardiola 4. Ribéry 5. Kluivert 6. Blind 7. Van Bommel
05. Skizzo:- Udo Lattek - 1. Maradona 2. G. Müller 3. Breitner 4. Rummenigge 5. Augenthaler 6. Lerby 7. Roth
06. MJJ:- Marcello Lippi - 1. R. Baggio 2. Thuram 3. Del Piero 4. Vieri 5. Ferrara 6. Zambrotta 7. Conte
07. Joga Bonito:- Udo Lattek - 1. Beckenbauer 2. Schuster 3. Vogts 4. Brehme 5. Schwarzenbeck 6. Hoeneß 7. Bonhof
08. Balu/PedroMendez:- Béla Guttmann - 1. Bozsik 2. Puskás 3. C. Maldini 4. Grosics 5. Mauro Ramos 6. Coluna 7. Augusto
09. Raees:- Vicente Del Bosque - 1. Ronaldo 2. Figo 3. M. Laudrup 4. Seedorf 5. Sanchis 6. Helguera 7. L. Enrique 12. Makelele
10. Cutch:- Alex Ferguson - 1. Beckham 2. Stam 3. Van Nistelrooy 4. Cantona 5. Ferdinand 6. Irwin 7. Schmeichel
11. Gio:- Giovanni Trapattoni - 1. Matthäus 2. Batistuta 3. Tardelli 4. Kohler 5. Cabrini 6. Reuter 7. Klinsmann
12. Edgar Allan Pillow:- Fabio Capello - 1. P. Maldini 2. Nedved 3. Redondo 4. Desailly 5. Savićević 6. Costacurta 7. Albertini
13. The Red Viper:- Pep Guardiola - 1. Lahm 2. Robben 3. Puyol 4. Xavi 5. Iniesta 6. Henry 7. Piqué
14. DanNistelrooy:- Carlo Ancelotti - 1. C. Ronaldo 2. Nesta 3. Pirlo 4. Gattuso 5. Bale 6. Ibrahimovic 7. Di María
15. Annahnomoss:- Vanderlei Luxemburgo - 1. Zidane 2. Cafu 3. R. Carlos 4. Raul 5. Gamarra 6. Dida 7. Mauro Silva 13. Romario
16. Crappycraperson:- Rinus Michels - 1. Migueli 2. Cruyff 3. Neeskens 4. Krol 5. Asensi 6. Haan 7. Suurbier 13. Kiezer

@Jayvin

 

[Gio]

And going back to Annah... Flavio Conceicao, who he admits he had never heard of. He wasn't a bad player, don't get me wrong, but I just never got the point with him, nor did I understand how he was a regular starter for Brazil, let alone Real. You know those players who are decent/good at a lot of things but nothing in particular stands out? He probably was far more important than you perceived when watching him, but there wasn't a single remarkable thing about him. Not one. In fact, he was the first player on the transfer list whenever I played CM2 as Real Madrid. I just didn't get him and probably never will.

Haha, same. Except it was CM 00/01 for me I think. Savio and Albert Celades were also shown the door ASAP.

Real had a lot of dead wood in the middle of midfield then that you should just to get rid off to generate some funds in the CM series. Real seemed to struggle pre-and-post Makelele to get a competent central midfielder so much so that they ended up converting others to do a makeshift job there (Savio, Solari, Guti, Beckham). Brazil too suffered (and still suffer) the same issue after Mauro Silva and Dunga became too old and they have an even longer list of shoddy midfielders masquerading as genuine international footballers.

 

[Jayvin]

Gigi Buffon (sorry MJJ )

01. Harms:- Giovanni Trapattoni - 1. Platini 2. Scirea 3. Boniek 4. Bergomi 5. Gentile 6. Cuccureddu 7. Benetti 8. Rossi
02. AngeloHenriquez/Stobzilla:- Fabio Capello- 1. F. Baresi 2. Gullit 3. Van Basten 4. Hierro 5. Totti 6. Samuel 7. Emerson 8. Boban
03. Jayvin:- Carlo Ancelotti - 1. Davids 2. Kaka 3. Cannavaro 4. Shevchenko 5. Ashley Cole 6. Drogba 7. Thiago Silva 8. Buffon
04. Paolo Di Canio:- Louis Van Gaal - 1. Rijkaard 2. Rivaldo 3. Guardiola 4. Ribéry 5. Kluivert 6. Blind 7. Van Bommel
05. Skizzo:- Udo Lattek - 1. Maradona 2. G. Müller 3. Breitner 4. Rummenigge 5. Augenthaler 6. Lerby 7. Roth
06. MJJ:- Marcello Lippi - 1. R. Baggio 2. Thuram 3. Del Piero 4. Vieri 5. Ferrara 6. Zambrotta 7. Conte
07. Joga Bonito:- Udo Lattek - 1. Beckenbauer 2. Schuster 3. Vogts 4. Brehme 5. Schwarzenbeck 6. Hoeneß 7. Bonhof
08. Balu/PedroMendez:- Béla Guttmann - 1. Bozsik 2. Puskás 3. C. Maldini 4. Grosics 5. Mauro Ramos 6. Coluna 7. Augusto
09. Raees:- Vicente Del Bosque - 1. Ronaldo 2. Figo 3. M. Laudrup 4. Seedorf 5. Sanchis 6. Helguera 7. L. Enrique 12. Makelele
10. Cutch:- Alex Ferguson - 1. Beckham 2. Stam 3. Van Nistelrooy 4. Cantona 5. Ferdinand 6. Irwin 7. Schmeichel
11. Gio:- Giovanni Trapattoni - 1. Matthäus 2. Batistuta 3. Tardelli 4. Kohler 5. Cabrini 6. Reuter 7. Klinsmann
12. Edgar Allan Pillow:- Fabio Capello - 1. P. Maldini 2. Nedved 3. Redondo 4. Desailly 5. Savićević 6. Costacurta 7. Albertini
13. The Red Viper:- Pep Guardiola - 1. Lahm 2. Robben 3. Puyol 4. Xavi 5. Iniesta 6. Henry 7. Piqué
14. DanNistelrooy:- Carlo Ancelotti - 1. C. Ronaldo 2. Nesta 3. Pirlo 4. Gattuso 5. Bale 6. Ibrahimovic 7. Di María
15. Annahnomoss:- Vanderlei Luxemburgo - 1. Zidane 2. Cafu 3. R. Carlos 4. Raul 5. Gamarra 6. Dida 7. Mauro Silva 13. Romario
16. Crappycraperson:- Rinus Michels - 1. Migueli 2. Cruyff 3. Neeskens 4. Krol 5. Asensi 6. Haan 7. Suurbier 13. Kiezer

@Paolo Di Canio

 

[Joga Bonito]

Can't wait to see who Skizzo picked . Di Canio was just viewing the thread 15 mins ago, hope he drops in soon.

 

[Paolo Di Canio]

Marc Overmars :-)

@Skizzo

 

[Pat_Mustard]

And going back to Annah... Flavio Conceicao, who he admits he had never heard of. He wasn't a bad player, don't get me wrong, but I just never got the point with him, nor did I understand how he was a regular starter for Brazil, let alone Real. You know those players who are decent/good at a lot of things but nothing in particular stands out? He probably was far more important than you perceived when watching him, but there wasn't a single remarkable thing about him. Not one. In fact, he was the first player on the transfer list whenever I played CM2 as Real Madrid. I just didn't get him and probably never will.

Aye, he had a big reputation in some football magazines I used to read back then, but he was as unremarkable as they come.

Anto, was Crappy's pick Suurbier one of the right backs you brutalised in a previous draft? Either way, that highlight video he posted didn't fill me with confidence...two defensive clips, both of which were him committing fouls, one good cross and a couple more fairly average ones. Nifty music though.

 

[Balu]

Can't wait to see who Skizzo picked . Di Canio was just viewing the thread 15 mins ago, hope he drops in soon.

He takes the decision between those two midfielders away from you and I'm sure you'll actually like it, because you have to go with heart over head now

 

[Balu]

@Skizzo picks Uli Stielike

Uli Stielike was one of the most distinguished midfielders of his generation, winning everything at club level with both Gladbach and Real Madrid, and the European Championship with Germany. He was voted best overseas player in La Liga four years running. Played as a sweeper or deep midfielder, he pioneered the defensive midfield role, which has now become widespread, using an incredible intelligence to read the game. He also possessed a burst of stamina, combined with a spirit of sacrifice, which makes him a perfect fit alongside my other midfielders. His goal scoring ability was quite good for a defensive player, especially due to his positioning. He even got the second place in Real's goalscorers once, just behind Santillana. Was nominated for the Balon D’Or 2 times. At Borussia Monchengladbach where he really made his name, Borussia was proclaimed three times champion of the German Bundesliga (1975 - 1977), won a German Cup (1973) and UEFA Cup (1975)

He's also the second player in my midfield to have been brought to a team to replace Breitner. Originally Madrid were interested in another german midfielder, but Stielike caught their eye and went on to great things at the Bernabeu.

 

[Balu]

01. Harms:- Giovanni Trapattoni - 1. Platini 2. Scirea 3. Boniek 4. Bergomi 5. Gentile 6. Cuccureddu 7. Benetti 8. Rossi
02. AngeloHenriquez/Stobzilla:- Fabio Capello- 1. F. Baresi 2. Gullit 3. Van Basten 4. Hierro 5. Totti 6. Samuel 7. Emerson 8. Boban
03. Jayvin:- Carlo Ancelotti - 1. Davids 2. Kaka 3. Cannavaro 4. Shevchenko 5. Ashley Cole 6. Drogba 7. Thiago Silva 8. Buffon
04. Paolo Di Canio:- Louis Van Gaal - 1. Rijkaard 2. Rivaldo 3. Guardiola 4. Ribéry 5. Kluivert 6. Blind 7. Van Bommel 8. Overmars
05. Skizzo:- Udo Lattek - 1. Maradona 2. G. Müller 3. Breitner 4. Rummenigge 5. Augenthaler 6. Lerby 7. Roth 8. Stielike
06. MJJ:- Marcello Lippi - 1. R. Baggio 2. Thuram 3. Del Piero 4. Vieri 5. Ferrara 6. Zambrotta 7. Conte
07. Joga Bonito:- Udo Lattek - 1. Beckenbauer 2. Schuster 3. Vogts 4. Brehme 5. Schwarzenbeck 6. Hoeneß 7. Bonhof
08. Balu/PedroMendez:- Béla Guttmann - 1. Bozsik 2. Puskás 3. C. Maldini 4. Grosics 5. Mauro Ramos 6. Coluna 7. Augusto
09. Raees:- Vicente Del Bosque - 1. Ronaldo 2. Figo 3. M. Laudrup 4. Seedorf 5. Sanchis 6. Helguera 7. L. Enrique 12. Makelele
10. Cutch:- Alex Ferguson - 1. Beckham 2. Stam 3. Van Nistelrooy 4. Cantona 5. Ferdinand 6. Irwin 7. Schmeichel
11. Gio:- Giovanni Trapattoni - 1. Matthäus 2. Batistuta 3. Tardelli 4. Kohler 5. Cabrini 6. Reuter 7. Klinsmann
12. Edgar Allan Pillow:- Fabio Capello - 1. P. Maldini 2. Nedved 3. Redondo 4. Desailly 5. Savićević 6. Costacurta 7. Albertini
13. The Red Viper:- Pep Guardiola - 1. Lahm 2. Robben 3. Puyol 4. Xavi 5. Iniesta 6. Henry 7. Piqué
14. DanNistelrooy:- Carlo Ancelotti - 1. C. Ronaldo 2. Nesta 3. Pirlo 4. Gattuso 5. Bale 6. Ibrahimovic 7. Di María
15. Annahnomoss:- Vanderlei Luxemburgo - 1. Zidane 2. Cafu 3. R. Carlos 4. Raul 5. Gamarra 6. Dida 7. Mauro Silva 13. Romario
16. Crappycraperson:- Rinus Michels - 1. Migueli 2. Cruyff 3. Neeskens 4. Krol 5. Asensi 6. Haan 7. Suurbier 13. Kiezer

@MJJ

 

[VivaJanuzaj]

@Annahnomoss I'm not too sure about Dida either mate, why him?

 

[Balu]

Anto, was Crappy's pick Suurbier one of the right backs you brutalised in a previous draft? Either way, that highlight video he posted didn't fill me with confidence...two defensive clips, both of which were him committing fouls, one good cross and a couple more fairly average ones. Nifty music though.

It's the one standout weakness, if you try to make a Dutch alltime XI. You could actually make a good case for Neeskens being the only great Dutch rightback ever, but playing Neeskens at rightback seems so wrong. However if you can build a midfield with Rijkaard, Davids, van Hanegem, Gullit maybe it's worth to move the best of them all to the one weak spot in the team. Could be an interesting decision for crappy in latter rounds, if he gets to upgrade the team with the '74 and '88 nationalteams.

 

[Joga Bonito]

He takes the decision between those two midfielders away from you and I'm sure you'll actually like it, because you have to go with heart over head now

Yup I'm actually fine with his pick tbh even though he is a great player.

 

[Gio]

Aye, he had a big reputation in some football magazines I used to read back then, but he was as unremarkable as they come.

Anto, was Crappy's pick Suurbier one of the right backs you brutalised in a previous draft? Either way, that highlight video he posted didn't fill me with confidence...two defensive clips, both of which were him committing fouls, one good cross and a couple more fairly average ones. Nifty music though.

That brings back memories of scraping around videos of Holland in the '70s trying to find Suurbier feck-ups when I played against @Cutch in one of the all-time drafts. Mind you he wasn't the easiest to support in that kind of company. I'm sure one video was put forward in his defense of him skinning a couple of players then over-hitting one of the worst crosses you'll ever see.

 

[Cutch]

That brings back memories of scraping around videos of Holland in the '70s trying to find Suurbier feck-ups when I played against @Cutch in one of the all-time drafts. Mind you he wasn't the easiest to support in that kind of company. I'm sure one video was put forward in his defense of him skinning a couple of players then over-hitting one of the worst crosses you'll ever see.

Guilty as charged.

 

[MJJ]

01. Harms:- Giovanni Trapattoni - 1. Platini 2. Scirea 3. Boniek 4. Bergomi 5. Gentile 6. Cuccureddu 7. Benetti 8. Rossi
02. AngeloHenriquez/Stobzilla:- Fabio Capello- 1. F. Baresi 2. Gullit 3. Van Basten 4. Hierro 5. Totti 6. Samuel 7. Emerson 8. Boban
03. Jayvin:- Carlo Ancelotti - 1. Davids 2. Kaka 3. Cannavaro 4. Shevchenko 5. Ashley Cole 6. Drogba 7. Thiago Silva 8. Buffon
04. Paolo Di Canio:- Louis Van Gaal - 1. Rijkaard 2. Rivaldo 3. Guardiola 4. Ribéry 5. Kluivert 6. Blind 7. Van Bommel 8. Overmars
05. Skizzo:- Udo Lattek - 1. Maradona 2. G. Müller 3. Breitner 4. Rummenigge 5. Augenthaler 6. Lerby 7. Roth 8. Stielike
06. MJJ:- Marcello Lippi - 1. R. Baggio 2. Thuram 3. Del Piero 4. Vieri 5. Ferrara 6. Zambrotta 7. Conte 8.Deschamps
07. Joga Bonito:- Udo Lattek - 1. Beckenbauer 2. Schuster 3. Vogts 4. Brehme 5. Schwarzenbeck 6. Hoeneß 7. Bonhof
08. Balu/PedroMendez:- Béla Guttmann - 1. Bozsik 2. Puskás 3. C. Maldini 4. Grosics 5. Mauro Ramos 6. Coluna 7. Augusto
09. Raees:- Vicente Del Bosque - 1. Ronaldo 2. Figo 3. M. Laudrup 4. Seedorf 5. Sanchis 6. Helguera 7. L. Enrique 12. Makelele
10. Cutch:- Alex Ferguson - 1. Beckham 2. Stam 3. Van Nistelrooy 4. Cantona 5. Ferdinand 6. Irwin 7. Schmeichel
11. Gio:- Giovanni Trapattoni - 1. Matthäus 2. Batistuta 3. Tardelli 4. Kohler 5. Cabrini 6. Reuter 7. Klinsmann
12. Edgar Allan Pillow:- Fabio Capello - 1. P. Maldini 2. Nedved 3. Redondo 4. Desailly 5. Savićević 6. Costacurta 7. Albertini
13. The Red Viper:- Pep Guardiola - 1. Lahm 2. Robben 3. Puyol 4. Xavi 5. Iniesta 6. Henry 7. Piqué
14. DanNistelrooy:- Carlo Ancelotti - 1. C. Ronaldo 2. Nesta 3. Pirlo 4. Gattuso 5. Bale 6. Ibrahimovic 7. Di María
15. Annahnomoss:- Vanderlei Luxemburgo - 1. Zidane 2. Cafu 3. R. Carlos 4. Raul 5. Gamarra 6. Dida 7. Mauro Silva 13. Romario
16. Crappycraperson:- Rinus Michels - 1. Migueli 2. Cruyff 3. Neeskens 4. Krol 5. Asensi 6. Haan 7. Suurbier 13. Kiezer

@MJJ

@Joga Bonito

 

[antohan]

Haha, same. Except it was CM 00/01 for me I think. Savio and Albert Celades were also shown the door ASAP.

You are probably right, CM3 started around that time. CM 00/01, best game ever

Celades... what a blast from the past... IIRC he was part of the same deal bringing Makelele from Vigo. Classic Madrid dismantling any side doing well at all... López and Karpin were brilliant as well but unfortunate to be attacking players and no Galácticos.

Same Summer as Figo switched to Madrid, which hurt most quality-wise, but Barca fans were probably more heart-broken at seeing one of their own homegrown boys joining Madrid only a year after he left for Vigo. A bit like Welbeck, only going to a lesser team, then doing really well so you start demanding he is brought back... and he joins Sturridge-Sterling at Liverpool.

It was a devastating double-whammy at a time when the team spirit was starting to look very suspect and factions had formed in the dressing room (Dutch vs. Catalans vs. AN Other).

 

[Balu]

I get the feeling I'm picking for both Latteks all the time, anyway here's Joga's pick:

The Iron Lung, Herbert 'Hacki' Wimmer - ''He runs and runs and runs''

for me please. Thanks.


Here's a photo that will stir up memories for you

More information on the player to follow when @Joga Bonito is back.

 

[antohan]

Aye, he had a big reputation in some football magazines I used to read back then, but he was as unremarkable as they come.

Anto, was Crappy's pick Suurbier one of the right backs you brutalised in a previous draft? Either way, that highlight video he posted didn't fill me with confidence...two defensive clips, both of which were him committing fouls, one good cross and a couple more fairly average ones. Nifty music though.

I would say he was brutalised on the pitch, but the voters thought differently. Ignorants.

 

[Balu]

In 1961 a 19 year old player, born in Mozambique, was brought into the first team, joining the European Cup winning side. By the end of the season, he had scored 29 goals in 31 games including the 2 game winning goals in the European Cup final against Di Stefano's Real Madrid and finished 2nd in the Ballon d'Or vote.

Eusébio

In 1962, it was difficult to escape the feeling that the nascent European Cup was at a crossroads. In the previous season, Benfica had become the first team to win the trophy other than Real Madrid. But, now that the Spanish champions were back in the final after no more than a one-year absence, they had the opportunity to prove that was simply an aberration and that the trophy was their rightful property.

Certainly, that was the way it looked in the first half. With Alfredo Di Stefano dominating and Ferenc Puskas finishing, Real roared into a 2-0 and then 3-2 lead.

But it was at that point Eusebio stepped up to show that there had been a continental shift. First he created the space for Mario Coluna’s equaliser. Then, playing in his first European Cup final, the striker picked the ball up in his own half and rampaged into the Real box. There was no other option but to bring him down. And there was no other outcome than Eusebio finishing the penalty. Three minutes later, then, came the coup de grace. Illustrating his renowned shooting ability, Eusebio lashed a free-kick home.

And, in a metaphorical passing of the torch after the game, Di Stefano passed his shirt to the young Portuguese. By winning a second successive trophy, Benfica had definitively taken Real Madrid’s mantle. And that Eusebio had definitively taken Di Stefano’s. Ferenc Puskas, meanwhile, became the only player to score a hat-trick in the final and lose.

Again thanks to football pantheon for this description of one of the greatest moments in the history of the game.


6 goals from 3 players in our team in one European cup final!

When Eusebio faced Real Madrid with Benfica, he saw Alfredo Di Stefano for the first time. Back in Mozambique, Eusebio had once torn a photograph of the great Di Stefano from a newspaper and kept it. While playing against Real, although he scored a great goal, all the time Eusebio thought just one thing: ask for Di Stefano’s advice and for his shirt. After the game, he asked Di Stefano what he ate, how they were trained and what their secrets were. In the end, as Eusebio continued to look at him without saying anything, Di Stéfano guessed his thoughts, stripped his shirt and offered it to Eusebio, who ran away in joy to Benfica’s captain. “Mister Coluna, I’ve got a shirt from Di Stefano!”.

“Di Stefano’s shirt is still the most prized possession I have from football. I held onto it tight! When the fans lifted me into the air, I had one hand waving at everyone and the other was squeezing the shirt very tight. In my innocence, the most important thing for me was to have my idol’s shirt.” Eusebio

Shortly after Eusébio's death, the legend Alfredo Di Stéfano stated: "For me Eusébio will always be the best player of all time".

Eusebio himself recalls an anecdote which highlights how the duties of his career step by step ruined his physique. “It was in Munich during a friendly match between Bayern and Benfica. I was injured. I walked with crutches. Jimmy Hagan, our coach, forbade me to play. I was sitting on the bench until the man organizing the friendly sees me and asks why I’m not on the pitch. I explain my injury. He replies: “Impossible, the public has come to see the great Eusebio.” He then meets with Benfica’s directors. At the insistence of such well-dressed men, I saw a doctor and asked him if he could remove some blood from the swelling so I could play. He replied to me: “I can try, but it will be very painful for you.” He did it, and shortly after I entered the field. The public, who had seen me limping along the sidelines, applauded. Beckenbauer was also delighted. What happened during the game was exceptional. I scored a goal with my head, scored a second, and walked out after twenty minutes of play. The crowd in the Olympia Stadium rose to cheer me. ”

Eusébio, Guttmann & Coluna in 1962:

 

[Balu]

01. Harms:- Giovanni Trapattoni - 1. Platini 2. Scirea 3. Boniek 4. Bergomi 5. Gentile 6. Cuccureddu 7. Benetti 8. Rossi
02. AngeloHenriquez/Stobzilla:- Fabio Capello- 1. F. Baresi 2. Gullit 3. Van Basten 4. Hierro 5. Totti 6. Samuel 7. Emerson 8. Boban
03. Jayvin:- Carlo Ancelotti - 1. Davids 2. Kaka 3. Cannavaro 4. Shevchenko 5. Ashley Cole 6. Drogba 7. Thiago Silva 8. Buffon
04. Paolo Di Canio:- Louis Van Gaal - 1. Rijkaard 2. Rivaldo 3. Guardiola 4. Ribéry 5. Kluivert 6. Blind 7. Van Bommel 8. Overmars
05. Skizzo:- Udo Lattek - 1. Maradona 2. G. Müller 3. Breitner 4. Rummenigge 5. Augenthaler 6. Lerby 7. Roth 8. Stielike
06. MJJ:- Marcello Lippi - 1. R. Baggio 2. Thuram 3. Del Piero 4. Vieri 5. Ferrara 6. Zambrotta 7. Conte 8.Deschamps
07. Joga Bonito:- Udo Lattek - 1. Beckenbauer 2. Schuster 3. Vogts 4. Brehme 5. Schwarzenbeck 6. Hoeneß 7. Bonhof 8. Wimmer
08. Balu/PedroMendez:- Béla Guttmann - 1. Bozsik 2. Puskás 3. C. Maldini 4. Grosics 5. Mauro Ramos 6. Coluna 7. Augusto 8. Eusebio
09. Raees:- Vicente Del Bosque - 1. Ronaldo 2. Figo 3. M. Laudrup 4. Seedorf 5. Sanchis 6. Helguera 7. L. Enrique 12. Makelele
10. Cutch:- Alex Ferguson - 1. Beckham 2. Stam 3. Van Nistelrooy 4. Cantona 5. Ferdinand 6. Irwin 7. Schmeichel
11. Gio:- Giovanni Trapattoni - 1. Matthäus 2. Batistuta 3. Tardelli 4. Kohler 5. Cabrini 6. Reuter 7. Klinsmann
12. Edgar Allan Pillow:- Fabio Capello - 1. P. Maldini 2. Nedved 3. Redondo 4. Desailly 5. Savićević 6. Costacurta 7. Albertini
13. The Red Viper:- Pep Guardiola - 1. Lahm 2. Robben 3. Puyol 4. Xavi 5. Iniesta 6. Henry 7. Piqué
14. DanNistelrooy:- Carlo Ancelotti - 1. C. Ronaldo 2. Nesta 3. Pirlo 4. Gattuso 5. Bale 6. Ibrahimovic 7. Di María
15. Annahnomoss:- Vanderlei Luxemburgo - 1. Zidane 2. Cafu 3. R. Carlos 4. Raul 5. Gamarra 6. Dida 7. Mauro Silva 12. Romario
16. Crappycraperson:- Rinus Michels - 1. Migueli 2. Cruyff 3. Neeskens 4. Krol 5. Asensi 6. Haan 7. Suurbier 12. Kiezer

@Raees

 

[MJJ]

Gigi Buffon (sorry MJJ )

01. Harms:- Giovanni Trapattoni - 1. Platini 2. Scirea 3. Boniek 4. Bergomi 5. Gentile 6. Cuccureddu 7. Benetti 8. Rossi
02. AngeloHenriquez/Stobzilla:- Fabio Capello- 1. F. Baresi 2. Gullit 3. Van Basten 4. Hierro 5. Totti 6. Samuel 7. Emerson 8. Boban
03. Jayvin:- Carlo Ancelotti - 1. Davids 2. Kaka 3. Cannavaro 4. Shevchenko 5. Ashley Cole 6. Drogba 7. Thiago Silva 8. Buffon
04. Paolo Di Canio:- Louis Van Gaal - 1. Rijkaard 2. Rivaldo 3. Guardiola 4. Ribéry 5. Kluivert 6. Blind 7. Van Bommel
05. Skizzo:- Udo Lattek - 1. Maradona 2. G. Müller 3. Breitner 4. Rummenigge 5. Augenthaler 6. Lerby 7. Roth
06. MJJ:- Marcello Lippi - 1. R. Baggio 2. Thuram 3. Del Piero 4. Vieri 5. Ferrara 6. Zambrotta 7. Conte
07. Joga Bonito:- Udo Lattek - 1. Beckenbauer 2. Schuster 3. Vogts 4. Brehme 5. Schwarzenbeck 6. Hoeneß 7. Bonhof
08. Balu/PedroMendez:- Béla Guttmann - 1. Bozsik 2. Puskás 3. C. Maldini 4. Grosics 5. Mauro Ramos 6. Coluna 7. Augusto
09. Raees:- Vicente Del Bosque - 1. Ronaldo 2. Figo 3. M. Laudrup 4. Seedorf 5. Sanchis 6. Helguera 7. L. Enrique 12. Makelele
10. Cutch:- Alex Ferguson - 1. Beckham 2. Stam 3. Van Nistelrooy 4. Cantona 5. Ferdinand 6. Irwin 7. Schmeichel
11. Gio:- Giovanni Trapattoni - 1. Matthäus 2. Batistuta 3. Tardelli 4. Kohler 5. Cabrini 6. Reuter 7. Klinsmann
12. Edgar Allan Pillow:- Fabio Capello - 1. P. Maldini 2. Nedved 3. Redondo 4. Desailly 5. Savićević 6. Costacurta 7. Albertini
13. The Red Viper:- Pep Guardiola - 1. Lahm 2. Robben 3. Puyol 4. Xavi 5. Iniesta 6. Henry 7. Piqué
14. DanNistelrooy:- Carlo Ancelotti - 1. C. Ronaldo 2. Nesta 3. Pirlo 4. Gattuso 5. Bale 6. Ibrahimovic 7. Di María
15. Annahnomoss:- Vanderlei Luxemburgo - 1. Zidane 2. Cafu 3. R. Carlos 4. Raul 5. Gamarra 6. Dida 7. Mauro Silva 13. Romario
16. Crappycraperson:- Rinus Michels - 1. Migueli 2. Cruyff 3. Neeskens 4. Krol 5. Asensi 6. Haan 7. Suurbier 13. Kiezer

@Paolo Di Canio

 

[antohan]

That brings back memories of scraping around videos of Holland in the '70s trying to find Suurbier feck-ups when I played against @Cutch in one of the all-time drafts. Mind you he wasn't the easiest to support in that kind of company. I'm sure one video was put forward in his defense of him skinning a couple of players then over-hitting one of the worst crosses you'll ever see.

I remember that, it was hilarious. "He was brilliant, yadda yadda, watch the skill and technique as he glides past defenders, yadda yadda" and then you watched the clip.

One of the best "WTF?" moments in drafts, ever.

 

[Stobzilla]

@Edgar Allan Pillow - I hope you appreciate the restraint I have shown in not killing you and those you love after taking Albertini.

 

[antohan]

@Edgar Allan Pillow - I hope you appreciate the restraint I have shown in not killing you and those you love after taking Albertini.

You left it too late mate. I was staggered you didn't take him the moment Redondo was gone. Capello lacks a very specific kind of player. While Boban is a great "hit back" pick, I think you may have dropped a bollock with your last couple of picks as well.

 

[Stobzilla]

You left it too late mate. I was staggered you didn't take him the moment Redondo was gone. Capello lacks a very specific kind of player. While Boban is a great "hit back" pick, I think you may have dropped a bollock with your last couple of picks as well.

I've dropped many bollocks in this draft, I'm struggling at this point.

 

[Edgar Allan Pillow]

@Edgar Allan Pillow - I hope you appreciate the restraint I have shown in not killing you and those you love after taking Albertini.

But then, truth to be told you put a huge spanner in my plans taking Boban. I didn't expect that too.

 

[Edgar Allan Pillow]

Back to the drawing board. Feck!

 

[Raees]

Sorry guys...

01. Harms:- Giovanni Trapattoni - 1. Platini 2. Scirea 3. Boniek 4. Bergomi 5. Gentile 6. Cuccureddu 7. Benetti 8. Rossi
02. AngeloHenriquez/Stobzilla:- Fabio Capello- 1. F. Baresi 2. Gullit 3. Van Basten 4. Hierro 5. Totti 6. Samuel 7. Emerson 8. Boban
03. Jayvin:- Carlo Ancelotti - 1. Davids 2. Kaka 3. Cannavaro 4. Shevchenko 5. Ashley Cole 6. Drogba 7. Thiago Silva 8. Buffon
04. Paolo Di Canio:- Louis Van Gaal - 1. Rijkaard 2. Rivaldo 3. Guardiola 4. Ribéry 5. Kluivert 6. Blind 7. Van Bommel 8. Overmars
05. Skizzo:- Udo Lattek - 1. Maradona 2. G. Müller 3. Breitner 4. Rummenigge 5. Augenthaler 6. Lerby 7. Roth 8. Stielike
06. MJJ:- Marcello Lippi - 1. R. Baggio 2. Thuram 3. Del Piero 4. Vieri 5. Ferrara 6. Zambrotta 7. Conte 8.Deschamps
07. Joga Bonito:- Udo Lattek - 1. Beckenbauer 2. Schuster 3. Vogts 4. Brehme 5. Schwarzenbeck 6. Hoeneß 7. Bonhof 8. Wimmer
08. Balu/PedroMendez:- Béla Guttmann - 1. Bozsik 2. Puskás 3. C. Maldini 4. Grosics 5. Mauro Ramos 6. Coluna 7. Augusto 8. Eusebio
09. Raees:- Vicente Del Bosque - 1. Ronaldo 2. Figo 3. M. Laudrup 4. Seedorf 5. Sanchis 6. Helguera 7. L. Enrique 8. B. Iligner 12. Makelele
10. Cutch:- Alex Ferguson - 1. Beckham 2. Stam 3. Van Nistelrooy 4. Cantona 5. Ferdinand 6. Irwin 7. Schmeichel
11. Gio:- Giovanni Trapattoni - 1. Matthäus 2. Batistuta 3. Tardelli 4. Kohler 5. Cabrini 6. Reuter 7. Klinsmann
12. Edgar Allan Pillow:- Fabio Capello - 1. P. Maldini 2. Nedved 3. Redondo 4. Desailly 5. Savićević 6. Costacurta 7. Albertini
13. The Red Viper:- Pep Guardiola - 1. Lahm 2. Robben 3. Puyol 4. Xavi 5. Iniesta 6. Henry 7. Piqué
14. DanNistelrooy:- Carlo Ancelotti - 1. C. Ronaldo 2. Nesta 3. Pirlo 4. Gattuso 5. Bale 6. Ibrahimovic 7. Di María
15. Annahnomoss:- Vanderlei Luxemburgo - 1. Zidane 2. Cafu 3. R. Carlos 4. Raul 5. Gamarra 6. Dida 7. Mauro Silva 12. Romario
16. Crappycraperson:- Rinus Michels - 1. Migueli 2. Cruyff 3. Neeskens 4. Krol 5. Asensi 6. Haan 7. Suurbier 12. Kiezer

@Raees

Bodo Iligner

His first act as a teenage professional goalkeeper was to pick the ball out of the back of the net. But it would not take long before the football world was in the palm of Bodo Illgner's hands. "I was a baby in the goal," Illgner tells CNN's Human to Hero series of his heroics for West Germany at the 1990 World Cup in Italy. "The goalkeeper usually joins the national team at the mid-twenties, the late twenties, even over the 30s maybe. "I was very, very lucky to have the confidence of Franz Beckenbauer our coach in 1990."

Illgner, aged just 23, became the youngest goalkeeper to win the World Cup. He more than justified Beckenbauer's belief in him as he famously denied England in a semifinal penalty shootout and then became the first goalie to keep a clean sheet in a World Cup final as the Germans beat defending champion Argentina 1-0.

Captain of that victorious team was Lothar Matthaus -- the player who had fired a penalty past Illgner earlier when the 18-year-old came on as a substitute for Cologne in a Bundesliga clash with titleholder Bayern Munich. The man he replaced that day in February 1986, Toni Schumacher, was twice a losing World Cup finalist for West Germany -- but Illgner would not suffer such a fate.

A Roman triumph

After waltzing through the group stages of Italia '90, West Germany would see off the Netherlands, Czechoslovakia and England before marching on to the final at the Stadio Olimpico in Rome for a rematch of the 1986 final.

A crucial penalty save from England's Stuart Pearce in the semis helped the Germans to advance to a third successive final in the most tense circumstances. He then recorded the first final shutout since the tournament began in 1930 as a late Andreas Brehme penalty gave West Germany a third title overall.

"I was just happy that we won this game," IIlgner says modestly when reminded of his exploits. "I couldn't care less if it was 4, 3, 2, 1, nothing. I was just happy to hold this big and heavy trophy in my hand in the match against Argentina." In fact, IIlgner recalls the final as one of his easiest games in the tournament. That's despite Argentina's side containing Diego Maradona, arguably one of the finest players to ever play the game and a key figure in the 1986 tournament.

A unified Germany team, featuring many of the 1990 side as well as those who would have previously qualified for East Germany, suffered a surprise 2-1 quarterfinal defeat at the hands of Bulgaria.

In 1994 he retired from international football after the tournament aged just 27."I planned it to step down at the World Cup (as a) winner again but it did not work out like that," he says. "Maybe the biggest regret I have was to resign right after we lost in '94 against Bulgaria. Now I think I should have waited a little bit longer and think it over. I could have played another World Cup or even more international games."

Germany would bounce back to win the European Championships in England two years later but IIlgner's focus was elsewhere by then. Named European goalkeeper of the year in 1991 and Germany's top stopper from 1989-93, he had become hot property. As his compatriots walked the famous Wembley steps to lift the Henri Delaunay trophy, IIlgner was in Spain finalizing a move from Cologne to Real Madrid -- a club more known for spending big on the world's best attacking players.

"It was a tremendous success for me that one of the biggest clubs, Real Madrid, asked for my services -- and I was more than happy to sign for them," he says. "They came out of a very poor season, signed a lot of new players, brought in a new coach Fabio Capello, who wanted me as his goalkeeper and we had a fantastic season. "I had to fight hard with two Spanish goalkeepers to get in there, but in the end it was worth it."

At Cologne, IIlgner had come close to winning titles but his side never finished higher than second in the league. His debut season ended with Cologne just avoiding relegation.In Madrid, winning was the only option. Second was equivalent to being the first loser. With IIlgner in their ranks, Los Blancos would win La Liga twice, as well as two European Champions League crowns.


@Cutch

 

[The Red Viper]

Are Cutch and @Gio online?

 

[Cutch]

@Gio

 

[Gio]

Since it's Inter Passarella, always worth revisiting this story.

Some time in the late 1980s, Internazionale were losing an away match by several goals when in the last minute they were awarded a meaningless penalty.

The fearsome Argentine centre-back Daniel Passarella began galloping forward to take it, but before he could get there Alessandro Altobelli, reasoning like any striker that a goal is a goal, stepped up and hit the ball into the net.

A former Inter star who played in that game tells the story that in the changing-room, Passarella threw a fit. "It's always the same!" he screamed. "At 0-0 no-one dares take a penalty, but when it doesn't matter anymore they all do."

Grabbing his genitals, he added: "You are cowards! You have no balls, no cojones."

This went on for some time. Most of the Inter players were used to Passarella and paid no attention, but after a while Altobelli could take no more. Striding up to the Argentine, he asked: "You talking about me?"

Passarella knocked him out with a single punch, stripped, and wandered off to the showers.

A few minutes later Altobelli came to. He stared about him enraged and then, spotting the fruit bowl customary in Italian changing-rooms of the era, grabbed a little knife meant for peeling oranges.

In the shower stalls he found a naked Passarella calmly shampooing his hair. "Come on then!" Passarella cooed at his knife-wielding colleague.

Altobelli didn't know what to do. He didn't really want to stab his team-mate to death like Norman Bates in Psycho. He would probably have been fined, or even transfer-listed.

So he just stood in front of Passarella waving the knife for a while until, to his relief, other players dragged him away and he could pretend this was happening against his will. All the while Passarella continued washing his hair.

@Edgar Allan Pillow

 

[The Red Viper]

Lets say a player was at the club when the manager was appointed but he never played a game. Is he eligible?

I know we are considering the form of the player under that manager. But, I was just wondering if he will be eligible or not.

@Annahnomoss

 

[Raees]

Didn't know where else to post it but it is a great watch.

 

[Raees]

Since it's Inter Passarella, always worth revisiting this story.



@Edgar Allan Pillow

Great pick and an even better write up.

 

[Edgar Allan Pillow]

I'll take Roberto Donadoni

01. Harms:- Giovanni Trapattoni - 1. Platini 2. Scirea 3. Boniek 4. Bergomi 5. Gentile 6. Cuccureddu 7. Benetti 8. Rossi
02. AngeloHenriquez/Stobzilla:- Fabio Capello- 1. F. Baresi 2. Gullit 3. Van Basten 4. Hierro 5. Totti 6. Samuel 7. Emerson 8. Boban
03. Jayvin:- Carlo Ancelotti - 1. Davids 2. Kaka 3. Cannavaro 4. Shevchenko 5. Ashley Cole 6. Drogba 7. Thiago Silva 8. Buffon
04. Paolo Di Canio:- Louis Van Gaal - 1. Rijkaard 2. Rivaldo 3. Guardiola 4. Ribéry 5. Kluivert 6. Blind 7. Van Bommel 8. Overmars
05. Skizzo:- Udo Lattek - 1. Maradona 2. G. Müller 3. Breitner 4. Rummenigge 5. Augenthaler 6. Lerby 7. Roth 8. Stielike
06. MJJ:- Marcello Lippi - 1. R. Baggio 2. Thuram 3. Del Piero 4. Vieri 5. Ferrara 6. Zambrotta 7. Conte 8.Deschamps
07. Joga Bonito:- Udo Lattek - 1. Beckenbauer 2. Schuster 3. Vogts 4. Brehme 5. Schwarzenbeck 6. Hoeneß 7. Bonhof 8. Wimmer
08. Balu/PedroMendez:- Béla Guttmann - 1. Bozsik 2. Puskás 3. C. Maldini 4. Grosics 5. Mauro Ramos 6. Coluna 7. Augusto 8. Eusebio
09. Raees:- Vicente Del Bosque - 1. Ronaldo 2. Figo 3. M. Laudrup 4. Seedorf 5. Sanchis 6. Helguera 7. L. Enrique 8. Iligner 12. Makelele
10. Cutch:- Alex Ferguson - 1. Beckham 2. Stam 3. Van Nistelrooy 4. Cantona 5. Ferdinand 6. Irwin 7. Schmeichel 8. G Neville
11. Gio:- Giovanni Trapattoni - 1. Matthäus 2. Batistuta 3. Tardelli 4. Kohler 5. Cabrini 6. Reuter 7. Klinsmann 8. Passarella
12. Edgar Allan Pillow:- Fabio Capello - 1. P. Maldini 2. Nedved 3. Redondo 4. Desailly 5. Savićević 6. Costacurta 7. Albertini 8. Donadoni
13. The Red Viper:- Pep Guardiola - 1. Lahm 2. Robben 3. Puyol 4. Xavi 5. Iniesta 6. Henry 7. Piqué
14. DanNistelrooy:- Carlo Ancelotti - 1. C. Ronaldo 2. Nesta 3. Pirlo 4. Gattuso 5. Bale 6. Ibrahimovic 7. Di María
15. Annahnomoss:- Vanderlei Luxemburgo - 1. Zidane 2. Cafu 3. R. Carlos 4. Raul 5. Gamarra 6. Dida 7. Mauro Silva 12. Romario
16. Crappycraperson:- Rinus Michels - 1. Migueli 2. Cruyff 3. Neeskens 4. Krol 5. Asensi 6. Haan 7. Suurbier 12. Kiezer

@The Red Viper