Manager draft

Joga Bonito said:
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Hell of a player.
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
Yeah. With CR gone, the only overlaps would me Becks and one more, I presume!
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At least one who is pretty good - yes. But he could easily end up not being picked by either manager, poor bastard.

Oh, and there's another one too - damn. Might be a bit more tempting for one manager than the other, that one.
 
Chesterlestreet said:
Any excuse to post this:
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Amazing!

Balu said:
01. Harms:-Giovanni Trapattoni - 1. Platini 2. Scirea
02. AngeloHenriquez/Stobzilla:-Fabio Cappello - 1. Baresi 2. Gullit
03. Jayvin:- Carlo Ancelotti - 1. Edgar Davids 2. Kaka
04. Paolo Di Canio:-Louis Van Gaal - 1. Frank Rijkaard 2. Rivaldo
05. Skizzo:-Udo Lattek - 1. Diego Maradona 2. Gerd Müller
06. MJJ:-Marcello Lippi - 1. Roberto Baggio 2. Thuram
07. Joga Bonito:-Udo Lattek - 1. Beckenbauer 2. Schuster
08. Balu/PedroMendez:-Béla Guttmann - 1. Bozsik 2. Puskás
09. Raees:-Vicente Del Bosque - 1. Ronaldo 2. Figo
10. Cutch:-Alex Ferguson - 1. Beckham
11. Gio:-Giovanni Trapattoni - 1. Matthäus
12. Edgar Allan Pillow:-Fabio Capello - 1. Maldini
13. The Red Viper:-Pep Guardiola - 1. Philipp Lahm
14. DanNistelrooy:-Carlo Ancelotti - 1. Cristiano Ronaldo
15. Annahnomoss:-Vanderlei Luxemburgo - 1. Zinedine Zidane 13. Romario
16. Crappycraperson:-Rinus Michels - 1. Migueli

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@Cutch
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
Though I agree with the idea in theory, 50 games usually mean more than 1 season and that would not be favourable to manangers who had one season, but a successful one at that. should be more optimal.



This was highlighted before. In Ronaldo/Lippi arguement. Assuming MJJ picked Ronaldo, compared to career Peak level, he was near the top. But compared to Peak under manager (which is the criteria), he was injured and had a overall terrible season playing only 7 matches. Had the criteria been 25 matches, it would be more easy to judge what his level should have been.

Too late to change now, but I think it is good to note for future.
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so what does happen if I pick Ronaldo?,we consider his form at the time (barca,afterwards)
 
I'm going to sleep now and haven't really thought about my picks. So skip me. I'll pick tomorrow morning.
 
MJJ said:
so what does happen if I pick Ronaldo?,we consider his form at the time (barca,afterwards)
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Well, you can't actually pick him - he's gone now. But IF you had picked him, the question for me personally would've been whether he was an obviously poor fit/had a crap spell/underperformed under Lippi's management.

And the answer would be no - the main problem was that he was out injured for months on end.

Unlike - to use two obvious examples - Veron under Fergie (clearly not a good fit, was undoubtedly sub par compared to his prime level) and Larry White under the same manager (was clearly over the hill).

That's my take on it, though. It's clearly possible to interpret "prime under manager X" differently. An injured player ain't in prime condition, literally speaking, that's hard to deny.
 
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01. Harms:-Giovanni Trapattoni - 1. Platini 2. Scirea
02. AngeloHenriquez/Stobzilla:-Fabio Cappello - 1. Baresi 2. Gullit
03. Jayvin:- Carlo Ancelotti - 1. Davids 2. Kaka
04. Paolo Di Canio:-Louis Van Gaal - 1. Rijkaard 2. Rivaldo
05. Skizzo:-Udo Lattek - 1. Maradona 2. Gerd Müller
06. MJJ:-Marcello Lippi - 1. Roberto Baggio 2. Thuram
07. Joga Bonito:-Udo Lattek - 1. Beckenbauer 2. Schuster
08. Balu/PedroMendez:-Béla Guttmann - 1. Bozsik 2. Puskás
09. Raees:-Vicente Del Bosque - 1. Ronaldo 2. Figo
10. Cutch:-Alex Ferguson - 1. Beckham 2. Stam
11. Gio:-Giovanni Trapattoni - 1. Matthäus 2. Batistuta
12. Edgar Allan Pillow:-Fabio Capello - 1. Maldini
13. The Red Viper:-Pep Guardiola - 1. Lahm
14. DanNistelrooy:-Carlo Ancelotti - 1. Cristiano Ronaldo
15. Annahnomoss:-Vanderlei Luxemburgo - 1. Zidane 13. Romario
16. Crappycraperson:-Rinus Michels - 1. Migueli

@Edgar Allan Pillow
 
I'll be logging off shortly. Looks like we should make it to me this evening (my next 2 picks), are Annah and Crappy around?

Will PM my pick(s) before I log off if need be, any takers?
 
I'll continue from last draft by picking The Czech cannon...

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01. Harms:-Giovanni Trapattoni - 1. Platini 2. Scirea
02. AngeloHenriquez/Stobzilla:-Fabio Cappello - 1. Baresi 2. Gullit
03. Jayvin:- Carlo Ancelotti - 1. Davids 2. Kaka
04. Paolo Di Canio:-Louis Van Gaal - 1. Rijkaard 2. Rivaldo
05. Skizzo:-Udo Lattek - 1. Maradona 2. Gerd Müller
06. MJJ:-Marcello Lippi - 1. Roberto Baggio 2. Thuram
07. Joga Bonito:-Udo Lattek - 1. Beckenbauer 2. Schuster
08. Balu/PedroMendez:-Béla Guttmann - 1. Bozsik 2. Puskás
09. Raees:-Vicente Del Bosque - 1. Ronaldo 2. Figo
10. Cutch:-Alex Ferguson - 1. Beckham 2. Stam
11. Gio:-Giovanni Trapattoni - 1. Matthäus 2. Batistuta
12. Edgar Allan Pillow:-Fabio Capello - 1. Maldini 2. Nedved
13. The Red Viper:-Pep Guardiola - 1. Lahm
14. DanNistelrooy:-Carlo Ancelotti - 1. Cristiano Ronaldo
15. Annahnomoss:-Vanderlei Luxemburgo - 1. Zidane 13. Romario
16. Crappycraperson:-Rinus Michels - 1. Migueli

Since @The Red Viper has elected to skip, it's your turn @DanNistelrooy

@Annahnomoss in case you have Dan's pick.
 
crappycraperson said:
Why not just get an obvious pick out of the way...
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Heh - yeah, that's what I thought too. About half of 'em are dead certs - and can't be picked by anyone else.

In my opinion managers should submit their un-contestables rather than forfeit their pick, so to speak - it's just more...orderly that way. Not that it matters greatly - just my tuppence.
 
The finest centre half of his generation and World Cup winner: Alessandro Nesta
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01. Harms:-Giovanni Trapattoni - 1. Platini 2. Scirea
02. AngeloHenriquez/Stobzilla:-Fabio Cappello - 1. Baresi 2. Gullit
03. Jayvin:- Carlo Ancelotti - 1. Davids 2. Kaka
04. Paolo Di Canio:-Louis Van Gaal - 1. Rijkaard 2. Rivaldo
05. Skizzo:-Udo Lattek - 1. Maradona 2. Gerd Müller
06. MJJ:-Marcello Lippi - 1. Roberto Baggio 2. Thuram
07. Joga Bonito:-Udo Lattek - 1. Beckenbauer 2. Schuster
08. Balu/PedroMendez:-Béla Guttmann - 1. Bozsik 2. Puskás
09. Raees:-Vicente Del Bosque - 1. Ronaldo 2. Figo
10. Cutch:-Alex Ferguson - 1. Beckham 2. Stam
11. Gio:-Giovanni Trapattoni - 1. Matthäus 2. Batistuta
12. Edgar Allan Pillow:-Fabio Capello - 1. Maldini 2. Nedved
13. The Red Viper:-Pep Guardiola - 1. Lahm 2. TBC
14. DanNistelrooy:-Carlo Ancelotti - 1. Cristiano Ronaldo 2. Nesta
15. Annahnomoss:-Vanderlei Luxemburgo - 1. Zidane 13. Romario
16. Crappycraperson:-Rinus Michels - 1. Migueli

@Annahnomoss

@Edgar Allan Pillow just PMing you my next pick
 
Chesterlestreet said:
Heh - yeah, that's what I thought too. About half of 'em are dead certs - and can't be picked by anyone else.

In my opinion managers should submit their un-contestables rather than forfeit their pick, so to speak - it's just more...orderly that way. Not that it matters greatly - just my tuppence.
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Initially, I thought so too, but I think there is a small advantage is not doing it. When he comes back and sees that some of his overlaps have not been picked, he can choose them immediately. If he picks some uncontestables now, then he has to wait next turn to get the opportunity back again.
 
DanNistelrooy said:
The finest centre half of his generation and World Cup winner: Alessandro Nesta
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01. Harms:-Giovanni Trapattoni - 1. Platini 2. Scirea
02. AngeloHenriquez/Stobzilla:-Fabio Cappello - 1. Baresi 2. Gullit
03. Jayvin:- Carlo Ancelotti - 1. Davids 2. Kaka
04. Paolo Di Canio:-Louis Van Gaal - 1. Rijkaard 2. Rivaldo
05. Skizzo:-Udo Lattek - 1. Maradona 2. Gerd Müller
06. MJJ:-Marcello Lippi - 1. Roberto Baggio 2. Thuram
07. Joga Bonito:-Udo Lattek - 1. Beckenbauer 2. Schuster
08. Balu/PedroMendez:-Béla Guttmann - 1. Bozsik 2. Puskás
09. Raees:-Vicente Del Bosque - 1. Ronaldo 2. Figo
10. Cutch:-Alex Ferguson - 1. Beckham 2. Stam
11. Gio:-Giovanni Trapattoni - 1. Matthäus 2. Batistuta
12. Edgar Allan Pillow:-Fabio Capello - 1. Maldini 2. Nedved
13. The Red Viper:-Pep Guardiola - 1. Lahm 2. TBC
14. DanNistelrooy:-Carlo Ancelotti - 1. Cristiano Ronaldo 2. Nesta
15. Annahnomoss:-Vanderlei Luxemburgo - 1. Zidane 13. Romario
16. Crappycraperson:-Rinus Michels - 1. Migueli

@Annahnomoss

@Edgar Allan Pillow just PMing you my next pick
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I don't know why you mentioned World Cup though. Nobody is questioning his quality, yet he didn't play in knock-out stage (due to injury, of course) and this is hardly his greatest achievement as a player.

Still, Ronaldo-Nesta :drool:
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
Initially, I thought so too, but I think there is a small advantage is not doing it. When he comes back and sees that some of his overlaps have not been picked, he can choose them immediately. If he picks some uncontestables now, then he has to wait next turn to get the opportunity back again.
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True enough - but strictly speaking there shouldn't be any advantages to not following the given order n' flow of the thing.
 
Paolo Di Canio said:
I contemplated Stam but LVG's record with Holland in the early 2000's was questionable
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Certainly was. But LVG didn't manage Stam on club level - so you couldn't have picked him anyway until the reinforcement round, and it was a long shot that he'd last.

The Ancelotti boys could have picked him too.
 
Chesterlestreet said:
Certainly was. But LVG didn't manage Stam on club level - so you couldn't have picked him anyway until the reinforcement round, and it was a long shot that he'd last.

The Ancelotti boys could have picked him too.
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Going by the rules of this draft Ron Vlaar would be a much better pick anyway, seeing as he was a defensive rock inder LVG at the world cup
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
Very dicey, as he would be pitted up against some of all time greats. Definitely questions would be raised. His defensive partner should be a GOAT for it to pass draft scrutiny imo!
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He already faced Messi in his prime ;) dont worry, ive done this a long time to realise what kind of team gets votes
 
Cafu started his career great in Sao Paolo, winning back to back Copa libertadores and being named the South American Player of the year, after having finished 3rd the year before in '94. By then he had already been playing with the Brazilian National team for four years and decided to go for a move to Europe, he went to Zaragoza - quickly decided it wasn't the right move for him and went back to Brazil where Vanderlei Luxemburgo managed him for Palmeiras.

Cafu was when he left Palmeiras 27 years old and was the next year part of the brilliant '98 Brazil side. Did you remember him going to Roma so late, he really is a time bender.
 
01. Harms:-Giovanni Trapattoni - 1. Platini 2. Scirea
02. AngeloHenriquez/Stobzilla:-Fabio Cappello - 1. Baresi 2. Gullit
03. Jayvin:- Carlo Ancelotti - 1. Davids 2. Kaka
04. Paolo Di Canio:-Louis Van Gaal - 1. Rijkaard 2. Rivaldo
05. Skizzo:-Udo Lattek - 1. Maradona 2. Gerd Müller
06. MJJ:-Marcello Lippi - 1. Roberto Baggio 2. Thuram
07. Joga Bonito:-Udo Lattek - 1. Beckenbauer 2. Schuster
08. Balu/PedroMendez:-Béla Guttmann - 1. Bozsik 2. Puskás
09. Raees:-Vicente Del Bosque - 1. Ronaldo 2. Figo
10. Cutch:-Alex Ferguson - 1. Beckham 2. Stam
11. Gio:-Giovanni Trapattoni - 1. Matthäus 2. Batistuta
12. Edgar Allan Pillow:-Fabio Capello - 1. Maldini 2. Nedved
13. The Red Viper:-Pep Guardiola - 1. Lahm 2. TBC
14. DanNistelrooy:-Carlo Ancelotti - 1. Cristiano Ronaldo 2. Nesta
15. Annahnomoss:-Vanderlei Luxemburgo - 1. Zidane 2. Cafu 13. Romario
16. Crappycraperson:-Rinus Michels - 1. Migueli

@crappycraperson
 
01. Harms:-Giovanni Trapattoni - 1. Platini 2. Scirea
02. AngeloHenriquez/Stobzilla:-Fabio Cappello - 1. Baresi 2. Gullit
03. Jayvin:- Carlo Ancelotti - 1. Davids 2. Kaka
04. Paolo Di Canio:-Louis Van Gaal - 1. Rijkaard 2. Rivaldo
05. Skizzo:-Udo Lattek - 1. Maradona 2. Gerd Müller
06. MJJ:-Marcello Lippi - 1. Roberto Baggio 2. Thuram
07. Joga Bonito:-Udo Lattek - 1. Beckenbauer 2. Schuster
08. Balu/PedroMendez:-Béla Guttmann - 1. Bozsik 2. Puskás
09. Raees:-Vicente Del Bosque - 1. Ronaldo 2. Figo
10. Cutch:-Alex Ferguson - 1. Beckham 2. Stam
11. Gio:-Giovanni Trapattoni - 1. Matthäus 2. Batistuta
12. Edgar Allan Pillow:-Fabio Capello - 1. Maldini 2. Nedved
13. The Red Viper:-Pep Guardiola - 1. Lahm 2. TBC
14. DanNistelrooy:-Carlo Ancelotti - 1. Cristiano Ronaldo 2. Nesta
15. Annahnomoss:-Vanderlei Luxemburgo - 1. Zidane 2. Cafu 13. Romario
16. Crappycraperson:-Rinus Michels - 1. Migueli 2. Cruyff 3. Neeskens
 
As Crappy can't interfere I'll post my next pick.

Let's take a step back in time, but remain in the same area. The date is 1992 and Roberto Carlos gets called up in to the Brazilian national team as a 19 year old. What is spectacular is not the age, it is the fact that he was playing for Uniao Sao Joao, who weren't a very highly ranked side. His success also saw Palmeiras invest in him where Vanderlei Luxemburgo was in charge. Two years of a success story and he was off his ways to Inter Milan, where he had a poor patch due to Roy Hodgson wanting him to play as a winger.

He had a discussion with Roy and they both decided the best thing was to go separate ways, Carlos to Real Madrid to make his name as one of the best full backs in history. Vanderlei has of course also managed Roberto Carlos, as the Brazil manager in 98-00 and for Real Madrid.
 
01. Harms:-Giovanni Trapattoni - 1. Platini 2. Scirea
02. AngeloHenriquez/Stobzilla:-Fabio Cappello - 1. Baresi 2. Gullit
03. Jayvin:- Carlo Ancelotti - 1. Davids 2. Kaka
04. Paolo Di Canio:-Louis Van Gaal - 1. Rijkaard 2. Rivaldo
05. Skizzo:-Udo Lattek - 1. Maradona 2. Gerd Müller
06. MJJ:-Marcello Lippi - 1. Roberto Baggio 2. Thuram
07. Joga Bonito:-Udo Lattek - 1. Beckenbauer 2. Schuster
08. Balu/PedroMendez:-Béla Guttmann - 1. Bozsik 2. Puskás
09. Raees:-Vicente Del Bosque - 1. Ronaldo 2. Figo
10. Cutch:-Alex Ferguson - 1. Beckham 2. Stam
11. Gio:-Giovanni Trapattoni - 1. Matthäus 2. Batistuta
12. Edgar Allan Pillow:-Fabio Capello - 1. Maldini 2. Nedved
13. The Red Viper:-Pep Guardiola - 1. Lahm 2. TBC
14. DanNistelrooy:-Carlo Ancelotti - 1. Cristiano Ronaldo 2. Nesta
15. Annahnomoss:-Vanderlei Luxemburgo - 1. Zidane 2. Cafu 3. R.Carlos 13. Romario
16. Crappycraperson:-Rinus Michels - 1. Migueli 2. Cruyff 3. Neeskens
 
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