Man Utd set to appoint Director of Football (when hell freezes over)

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UncleBob said:
This is factually wrong on several levels. Woodward was miles away from escaping blame, half the internet was full of jokes regarding his departure from the tour to Australia on "urgent transfer business" and "where is Woodward now". It wasn't until the season was over that people started looking at Moyes and arguing that maybe Woodwards role in all of it wasn't so bad after all.

Regarding Fellaini, this is what Moyes said:

"I never wanted Marouane Fellaini to be my first Manchester United signing, that is the last thing me and my staff wanted.

"We looked at Nemanja Matic first. He did not do well at Chelsea and had gone back to Benfica.

I am not sure how much blame should be pinned on Woodward for that transfer window, considering Moyes was worried about Fellaini being the first signing as it would be the wrong signal...It's a bit telling that the manager is worried about things like that, instead of just focusing on getting the player as early as possible and integrating him to into the squad. It more or less seems that Woodward was trying to deliver the players Moyes wanted, but the issue was the players he had identified.
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Jokes and blame are two very different things. Woodward had a few jokes at the time, Moyes is blamed as one of the worst united managers. No mention of Woody

And yes Moyes was exactly right to worry about that. It did send out the wrong message from the start.
 
Woziak said:
The reason why Zidane would join United is simple €£$ money he was on 9M at Madrid for wining 3 CLs back to back not 16M for wining 0 !

Don't understimate how much of a draw Man
aging Man United in the PL is plus to be given more freedom to do the job they way he wants without Perez constant interferrences! But Hey the new season starts so I'm supporting Jose and United Tonight 100% with the hope he will play the brand of football he played early season last year, What did he say " You have to let Horses run free!"
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You're horribly mistaken if you think Zidane cares about money. He's rejected the chance to take 24m from Real and as a player too didn't take 6m owed to him in wages. Maybe you're overestimating the draw a directionless club (in terms of football philosophy), with clueless owners has for one of the greatest players in the history of the game.

United need to get a lot of things right before they hire someone like Zidane. To start, they need to get Woodward and his team of advisors as far away from football related issues as possible and appoint a director of football. The fiasco that was our transfer business and the fact that Ribalta left in the middle of the window shows that when it comes to recruitment theres something wrong at the club. Mourinhos has a clear vision about what he wants. So clearly the confusion indecision and lack of deals being made is Woodward's fault.
 
Enigma_87 said:
It wasn’t just one position but whatever mate. Let’s see how the season will pan out and we can discuss afterward.

Sorry if I might have sounded more offensive during the last remarks, was never my intention.
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It's all good I gave it back too. We support United, so we both on the same side whether we agree or not. We'll see how it goes.
 
Ekeke said:
Jokes and blame are two very different things. Woodward had a few jokes at the time, Moyes is blamed as one of the worst united managers. No mention of Woody

And yes Moyes was exactly right to worry about that. It did send out the wrong message from the start.
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https://www.redcafe.net/threads/ed-woodward.374106/
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/i-want-woodward-gone-now.376377/
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/can-ed-woodward-be-sacked.376336/
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/can-ed-woodward-be-sacked.376336/
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/is-ed-woodward-out-of-his-depth.375660/

And that's just some of them

Aye, no mention :lol:

I don't agree that Moyes, or anyone for that matter, were right to worry about it. If they had identified Fellaini as a player to strengthen the first team, then sign him and get on with it. It's better to integrate the player into the first team as quickly as possible. From the various interviews it's pretty clear we had him lined up quite early (failed Baines and Fellaini bid), but ended up delaying it because Moyes wanted a bigger name as the first signing as sort of a statement of intent.

And Moyes is rightfully labelled as one of the worst United managers. Never had the mentality needed, as soon as things started going badly he doubted himself and tried something else (without succeeding) and then something else again. Authority wise he was out of his depth. Too focused on being friends with journalists. Just couldn't handle the pressure.

Shame really, for all the involved parties. If it wasn't for all the daft statements he's made since getting the sack, I'd probably have some sympathy
 
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UncleBob said:
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/ed-woodward.374106/
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/i-want-woodward-gone-now.376377/
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/can-ed-woodward-be-sacked.376336/
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/can-ed-woodward-be-sacked.376336/
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/is-ed-woodward-out-of-his-depth.375660/

And that's just some of them

Aye, no mention :lol:

I don't agree that Moyes, or anyone for that matter, were right to worry about it. If they had identified Fellaini as a player to strengthen the first team, then sign him and get on with it. It's better to integrate the player into the first team as quickly as possible. From the various interviews it's pretty clear we had him lined up quite early (failed Baines and Fellaini bid), but ended up delaying it because Moyes wanted a bigger name as the first signing as sort of a statement of intent.

And Moyes is rightfully labelled as one of the worst United managers. Never had the mentality needed, as soon as things started going badly he doubted himself and tried something else (without succeeding) and then something else again. Authority wise he was out of his depth. Too focused on being friends with journalists. Just couldn't handle the pressure.

Shame really, for all the involved parties. If it wasn't for all the daft statements he's made since getting the sack, I'd probably have some sympathy
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So 2 threads, one pasted twice which someone soon calls a WUM, a question and a joke.
 
If we indeed didn't bid for Toby at all and decided he was just expensive without trying, it's shambolic from Ed.
 
el3mel said:
If we indeed didn't bid for Toby at all and decided he was just expensive without trying, it's shambolic from Ed.
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The briefing says that Levy wanted Martial or Mata in return. No idea why we weren't willing to give Mata to them.
 
Revan said:
The briefing says that Levy wanted Martial or Mata in return. No idea why we weren't willing to give Mata to them.
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They BBC briefing said that we didn't even make an official bid and a club source said he will be our 5th best defender so not worth the effort :

Speculation surrounding a move for Tottenham's Toby Alderweireld rumbled on for much of the summer.

It turned out to be unfounded. United never made a bid for the 29-year-old Belgian.

As one club source said: "We ended up in a situation where if we had done a deal, we would have been swapping our fifth best central defender for another fifth best central defender."

Under the circumstances, United concluded there was no point.
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That's shambolic.

We looked like we didn't want to make an deals anyway and we were just searching for excuses to back off from the market. The Martial/Mata thing and Varane claims with this 5th best defender quote, all these fall in the same category for excuses for me. Very Arsenal esque.
 
el3mel said:
They BBC briefing said that we didn't even make an official bid and a club source said he will be our 5th best defender so not worth the effort :



That's shambolic.

We looked like we didn't want to make an deals anyway and we were just searching for excuses to back off from the market. The Martial/Mata thing and Varane claims with this 5th best defender quote, all these fall in the same category for excuses for me. Very Arsenal esque.
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Castles article reads more like cause we failed to get the likes of Alder, Boateng, Mina, Varane, God in we ended in a position when had we signed a defender it would have been replacing our fifth best CB with a CB which would be our fifth best CB.

If Ed really thought that Alder would be our 5th best CB (BBC article) then that is really batshit crazy from Ed's part.
 
Revan said:
Castles article reads more like cause we failed to get the likes of Alder, Boateng, Mina, Varane, God in we ended in a position when had we signed a defender it would have been replacing our fifth best CB with a CB which would be our fifth best CB.

If Ed really thought that Alder would be our 5th best CB (BBC article) then that is really batshit crazy from Ed's part.
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Haven't read Castles story yet, did he say anything different or the same briefing ?
 
Shouldn't this have been Javier Ribalta? Or was he in a different position?
 
Stop getting your hopes up, Ed will become director of football :lol:
 
Good, I hope this is true. We could have done with one since Fergie left, really. Would have made things much less of a mess, looks at how many of LVG's signings have been phased out already. Will be very interesting to see who we would go for.
 
We shoudlnt do it for the sake of it, need to find a really good one
 
Dumat12 said:
Maybe it's because Mourinho's comments that the board decided to finally act?
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That'd still be fine with me, although I suspect that isn't the case. If his words were the decisive factor then it's the opposite outcome to the one he was after. Again, fine with me. The less control he has the better. Hopefully he'll walk.
 
MAME DIOUF 32 said:
Haha, maybe Mourinho should've watched his mouth.
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maybe he said what he said after finding out this news? Just a thought. Or do you think United have made this decision in the days since Jose said what he said?
 
MAME DIOUF 32 said:
Haha, maybe Mourinho should've watched his mouth.
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I think you've got this the wrong way around mate. Ed probably realised he was looking a right tit. Let's just hope this will be handled professionally.
 
United are discussing the expansion of their training complex in Carrington because the recently formed women’s team requires facilities and extra personnel. Once these changes are executed it is expected the director of football will be appointed.

What does one thing have to do with the other? The sooner you appoint someone the better prepared the club is for January and beyond. Are they worried they don't have an empty office without expanding Carrington?
 
Wednesday at Stoke said:
United are discussing the expansion of their training complex in Carrington because the recently formed women’s team requires facilities and extra personnel. Once these changes are executed it is expected the director of football will be appointed.

What does one thing have to do with the other? The sooner you appoint someone the better prepared the club is for January and beyond.
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Oh well. This means we're not appointing anyone any time soon if we're waiting for this to be solved. Gonna be a year or so.
 
Wednesday at Stoke said:
United are discussing the expansion of their training complex in Carrington because the recently formed women’s team requires facilities and extra personnel. Once these changes are executed it is expected the director of football will be appointed.

What does one thing have to do with the other? The sooner you appoint someone the better prepared the club is for January and beyond.
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This is what I thought too. Surely a director of football would want to be a part of those changes and to shape them in some way.
 
Wednesday at Stoke said:
United are discussing the expansion of their training complex in Carrington because the recently formed women’s team requires facilities and extra personnel. Once these changes are executed it is expected the director of football will be appointed.

What does one thing have to do with the other? The sooner you appoint someone the better prepared the club is for January and beyond.
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They're just looking for a spin on it that isn't "we just had a disaster of a transfer window and we've fallen out with our manager". There's also the knowledge that the longer they delay it, the more likely it is that Mourinho goes in the meantime.
 
"United are discussing the expansion of their training complex in Carrington because the recently formed women’s team requires facilities and extra personnel. Once these changes are executed it is expected the director of football will be appointed."

How are these two things connected? Can they not do both at the same time? Briefing the media before the pressure (criticism) on the board starts building. That's what it is. If they do end up appointing an actual DoF it will be 5 years late but still a move in the right direction.
 
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