Man Utd set to appoint Director of Football (when hell freezes over)

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What are you guys magically expecting from a DOF? Someone to say hey Martial needs to stay? Get the best out of Luke Shaw?

I’m not sure what would be done any differently to now? It’s all and still stops with the manager.

I don’t remember there being a great manager because of his DOF?
 
What are you guys magically expecting from a DOF? Someone to say hey Martial needs to stay? Get the best out of Luke Shaw?

I’m not sure what would be done any differently to now? It’s all and still stops with the manager.

I don’t remember there being a great manager because of his DOF?

No more uber defensive managers for starter.
 
This United looks like the Juve 10 yrs ago, with Cobolli Gigli and Blanc, Alessio Secco as DOF, signing Molinaro, De Ceglie, Simone Pepe, Grygera, Felipe Melo etc, with Ferrara/Del Neri/Ranieri as managers

Results: 9-12th in the league

We are on that way (The only difference is that we not came from a relegation for match fixing, and we are the most valuable club in the world, managed by incompetent)
 
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What are you guys magically expecting from a DOF? Someone to say hey Martial needs to stay? Get the best out of Luke Shaw?

I’m not sure what would be done any differently to now? It’s all and still stops with the manager.

I don’t remember there being a great manager because of his DOF?

Sporting director is a better terminology.
 
What are you guys magically expecting from a DOF? Someone to say hey Martial needs to stay? Get the best out of Luke Shaw?

I’m not sure what would be done any differently to now? It’s all and still stops with the manager.

I don’t remember there being a great manager because of his DOF?

A more cohesive transfer policy would be huge. We've given way too much weight to the manager for transfers post-SAF, resulting in a mish mash squad. Moyes signed two players we didn't really need, Van Gaal sold half our good players and replaced them with dross, Mourinho started off well in his first season with Zlatan, Mikhi, Pogba and Bailly, but has been very miss since then with Lindelof, Lukaku, Fred, Sanchez and possibly Dalot.

Even this summer Woodward didn't seem to want to back Mourinho in the transfer market - then surely the answer would be to get personal in who had a proper transfer strategy in place? Look at Juve, they've got talent in almost every position now - because of years of good recruiting.
 
A more cohesive transfer policy would be huge. We've given way too much weight to the manager for transfers post-SAF, resulting in a mish mash squad. Moyes signed two players we didn't really need, Van Gaal sold half our good players and replaced them with dross, Mourinho started off well in his first season with Zlatan, Mikhi, Pogba and Bailly, but has been very miss since then with Lindelof, Lukaku, Fred, Sanchez and possibly Dalot.

Even this summer Woodward didn't seem to want to back Mourinho in the transfer market - then surely the answer would be to get personal in who had a proper transfer strategy in place? Look at Juve, they've got talent in almost every position now - because of years of good recruiting.

Considering non of the managers like DOF. Aren’t we better of with a different type of manager then? Seen as the ones we have hired don’t have a clue when given free reign.
 
“We can win nothing and still sell shirts”

“Results have limited impact on our ability to make money”

Two genuine Ed Woodward quotes taken from presentations to shareholders. When you analyse the reason for our decline the mindset of the man behind these two quotes should reveal all

We came 2nd last year. Monumental achievement by Mourinho. We could have kicked on, spent £300m on 4 players and had a genuine crack at the PL & CL but instead we are outspent by Fulham.

Why? Because as Ed says himself, results are irrelevant and investing £300m to finish one place higher doesnt make commercial sense
 
I've seen a lot of people blame Woodward for our recent troubles. The biggest impact I can see he has is hiring the wrong managers, but it seems to be some of the strongest Mourinho supporters that have criticised Woodward the most. Can anyone sum up for me what he has done wrong and what he could do to fix it?
 


LVG was a honest man and words he spoke couldn't have been said better. Nothing will change unless we change our hierarchy.
 
I've seen a lot of people blame Woodward for our recent troubles. The biggest impact I can see he has is hiring the wrong managers, but it seems to be some of the strongest Mourinho supporters that have criticised Woodward the most. Can anyone sum up for me what he has done wrong and what he could do to fix it?

1) No hiring of football director after Moyes debacle onwards.
2) Poor negotiation in the transfer market leading to inflated transfers. This is seemingly an intended effect of Woodward who takes pride in making waves in media due to expensive transfers
3) Reactionary hiring policy - Mourinho was not available until a few months before he was hired, as he had committed long term to Chelsea. This meant we had no conviction regarding who would succeed LVG.

I think that the best course of action is to hire a footballing director as soon as possible. Then get a new good manager in to work with him once the season is over. Monchi and Berta of Roma and Atletico respectively would probably relish the chance to lead the long term future of such a massive club.
 
What is he waiting for? This is why our rebuild is going so slowly. This notion that everyone that holds the managerial position should be infallible would ironically become our downfall since SAF left. These washed up managers are being given time to turn around hopeless situations and have taken the club backwards each time. Someone calculate how many months we've wasted by giving Moyes, LVG and Jose extra time
 
Why? Apart from Smalling, and let's be honest he's only in the team because he's the only centre-half we've got that can stay fit, they are all just squad players and the club are probably hoping they are transfer targets for other clubs in the January window which would be less likely if they'd just signed new contracts.

Turns out Jones can have his extended by 12 months so he won't be leaving on a free and Mata is having contract talks too. Young too is also having talks.
 
So, to summarise...
He engineered the leveraged buy-out that led to us being massively in debt.
He's hired 3 completely different managers in 6 years.
He's sacked 2 of them well after they'd imploded and is doing the same with a 3rd.
He had no prior experience of running a club but has overruled one of the best managers of the modern era regarding transfers.
He's overseen the stagnation of our stadium.
He's failed to implement any tangible structure or vision for how we should be run.

The guy is a Glazer stooge and a plague on our club.
 
So, to summarise...
He engineered the leveraged buy-out that led to us being massively in debt.
He's hired 3 completely different managers in 6 years.
He's sacked 2 of them well after they'd imploded and is doing the same with a 3rd.
He had no prior experience of running a club but has overruled one of the best managers of the modern era regarding transfers.
He's overseen the stagnation of our stadium.
He's failed to implement any tangible structure or vision for how we should be run.

The guy is a Glazer stooge and a plague on our club.

Pretty much
 
The numpty isn't fit for purpose. Any good he has done for this club is solely on the commercial side. He should be removed from overseeing anything football related and a qualified sporting director needs to be hired asap.
 
So, to summarise...
He engineered the leveraged buy-out that led to us being massively in debt.
He's hired 3 completely different managers in 6 years.
He's sacked 2 of them well after they'd imploded and is doing the same with a 3rd.
He had no prior experience of running a club but has overruled one of the best managers of the modern era regarding transfers.
He's overseen the stagnation of our stadium.
He's failed to implement any tangible structure or vision for how we should be run.

The guy is a Glazer stooge and a plague on our club.

And now he's our de facto Director of Football; a job, according to Choccy, he's wanted for some time. Saints preserve us.
 
I've seen a lot of people blame Woodward for our recent troubles. The biggest impact I can see he has is hiring the wrong managers, but it seems to be some of the strongest Mourinho supporters that have criticised Woodward the most. Can anyone sum up for me what he has done wrong and what he could do to fix it?

Very reactive rather proactive, just like Jose. Has sacked managers, only when they have failed Top 4. Whether it is a financial decision or giving them time to turn it around, I don't know clearly. But seeing that it is going to be the third time we are missing out on Top 4 under his tenure, he has failed in his footballing aspect of his role.

Again, The fans have no idea what his exact role is within the club, or what his targets are from the Glazers. If the Glazers, have said, "We don't care about football side of things, just make us money", then he is doing hell of a job.

I personally feel, that he has been easily played around by agents. Sanchez, Di Maria,Falcao, BFS signings seem like the agents just wanted to get a better deal with United by manipulating Ed, rather these players choosing to play for us. I may be wrong here, but its just my opinion. The godin saga this summer kind of adds credence to my opinion.

In terms of what he can do now, I don't know if he has it in his ego to see that he is not good enough in his current role as "pretend DOF", but he has to go. I don't trust him to make the right DOF/Managerial appointment. I am pretty sure, he will use the media to release some news of how we are in the process of appointing X DOF. It happens every time when we are in crisis.

Edit: oh, and btw, I don't support Jose either. and I want him out ASAP. This dithering by Ed in not sacking Jose is why he needs to go in my opinion.
 
“We can win nothing and still sell shirts”

“Results have limited impact on our ability to make money”

Two genuine Ed Woodward quotes taken from presentations to shareholders. When you analyse the reason for our decline the mindset of the man behind these two quotes should reveal all

We came 2nd last year. Monumental achievement by Mourinho. We could have kicked on, spent £300m on 4 players and had a genuine crack at the PL & CL but instead we are outspent by Fulham.

Why? Because as Ed says himself, results are irrelevant and investing £300m to finish one place higher doesnt make commercial sense
Well said. Your list is a brilliant summary of the situation - didn’t know those quotes, but you can read it on his arrogant face. Not a football man, not a person you’d want anywhere near the club. Obviously the issues have to do with the owners, too, but Deadwood Ed surely epitomises the rot at the heart of the club.
 
So, to summarise...
He engineered the leveraged buy-out that led to us being massively in debt.
He's hired 3 completely different managers in 6 years.
He's sacked 2 of them well after they'd imploded and is doing the same with a 3rd.
He had no prior experience of running a club but has overruled one of the best managers of the modern era regarding transfers.
He's overseen the stagnation of our stadium.
He's failed to implement any tangible structure or vision for how we should be run.

The guy is a Glazer stooge and a plague on our club.

There needs to be more pressure on Woodward - much more pressure.

G. Nev stated it clearly and emotively recently.

We won't succeed with this guy in charge of the biggest football decisions - it's laughable.

His reign in charge has been the entirety of our slide as a club.
 
So, to summarise...
He engineered the leveraged buy-out that led to us being massively in debt.
He's hired 3 completely different managers in 6 years.
He's sacked 2 of them well after they'd imploded and is doing the same with a 3rd.
He had no prior experience of running a club but has overruled one of the best managers of the modern era regarding transfers.
He's overseen the stagnation of our stadium.
He's failed to implement any tangible structure or vision for how we should be run.

The guy is a Glazer stooge and a plague on our club.
Because do much sh1t is talked in here I feel I have to support sensible and knowledgeable posters. To the point, and spot on.
 
And now he's our de facto Director of Football; a job, according to Choccy, he's wanted for some time. Saints preserve us.
It's actually insane that someone so unqualified for such a huge role is our current custodian. Unless something radical happens, it genuinely makes me fear for the future of the club.
 
There needs to be more pressure on Woodward - much more pressure.

G. Nev stated it clearly and emotively recently.

We won't succeed with this guy in charge of the biggest football decisions - it's laughable.

His reign in charge has been the entirety of our slide as a club.
More pressure how, exactly?
 
So, to summarise...
He engineered the leveraged buy-out that led to us being massively in debt.
He's hired 3 completely different managers in 6 years.
He's sacked 2 of them well after they'd imploded and is doing the same with a 3rd.
He had no prior experience of running a club but has overruled one of the best managers of the modern era regarding transfers.
He's overseen the stagnation of our stadium.
He's failed to implement any tangible structure or vision for how we should be run.

The guy is a Glazer stooge and a plague on our club.
His job is bulletproof. It's almost like he's a Liverpool / Man City fan that's landed the dream job of deliberately dismantling our club bit by bit.

And there's nothing we can do, because he can't fired because of his success leading the commercial side.

I feel we can't sit here and watch him destroy everything about this club. Something needs to be done.

If his bosses can't do it, we need to reach famous and rich fans, ex-players and influential people in the game about this.

This has all been happening in an unethical way. The fans are not being heard. Our rivals are overtaking us.

I'm worried these clowns will truly turn us into the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

The green and yellow campaign was big in its time. There needs to something similar (but bigger) for media to put more pressure on Ed and his overlords.
 
The only solution to this is for the fans to protest and stop going to games, buying shirts etc. That is never going to happen. As long as the club is still making money the glazers will keep Woodward regardless of results. We're truly fecked.
 
More pressure how, exactly?

Sadly, I don't see any way that he will be under pressure. Unless our market value goes down considerably and Glazers start noticing it, then there is a chance he may be fired. I don't think any amount of boycotting from the fans is going to change the Glazers' mind.
 
More pressure how, exactly?

How much pressure do you think Moyes felt...?

What about LvG? Or now Mourinho?

And how much scrutiny has Woodward experienced as the man who has actually overseen this entire period...?

I'm not a media connected person, or an OT regular, or high-ranking ex-player - so I'm not in the position to increase the pressure on Woodward individually.

But I can see that while other CEOs / chairmen are talked about regularly for their doings (good or bad), they are talked about (by name) on mainstream shows like MOTD and MNF, Woodward enjoys a virtually invisible status in the media, while the club and managers are literally still the biggest news in World football...

Very odd.
 
There needs to be more pressure on Woodward - much more pressure.

G. Nev stated it clearly and emotively recently.

We won't succeed with this guy in charge of the biggest football decisions - it's laughable.

His reign in charge has been the entirety of our slide as a club.

Surely the issue is that he's the glazers' man and presumably, he is doing the job they want him to do by focussing on the areas they want him to focus on and in doing so, in their eyes, doing a good job ? If so, who is capable of putting pressure on him ? I simply cannot see how the club will re-focus on results, playing style & excellence being at the centre of everything they do with your current owners - if it's not what the owners want or deem the priority, why would they change ?

I understand why everyone is unhappy with woodward - I'm sure I would too. But the only way this changes for you is surely either a new owner (saudi arabia seems a matter of when not if and whether you like that idea or not, they will be focussed on success & style, not money) who brings in a top football exec or, with the current owners, when it's too late because you can only rely on commercial success without on-field success for so long
 
Sadly, I don't see any way that he will be under pressure. Unless our market value goes down considerably and Glazers start noticing it, then there is a chance he may be fired. I don't think any amount of boycotting from the fans is going to change the Glazers' mind.

A slim chance. He might be moved away from the footballing side of things but the Glazers owe Woodward big time. A boycott might be successful but only if it were coordinated and sustained. I can't see that happening. Even Tampa Bay, their NFL team, average close to 60,000 supporters for home games. And they are rubbish.
 
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His job is bulletproof. It's almost like he's a Liverpool / Man City fan that's landed the dream job of deliberately dismantling our club bit by bit.

And there's nothing we can do, because he can't fired because of his success leading the commercial side.

I feel we can't sit here and watch him destroy everything about this club. Something needs to be done.

If his bosses can't do it, we need to reach famous and rich fans, ex-players and influential people in the game about this.

This has all been happening in an unethical way. The fans are not being heard. Our rivals are overtaking us.

I'm worried these clowns will truly turn us into the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

The green and yellow campaign was big in its time. There needs to something similar (but bigger) for media to put more pressure on Ed and his overlords.

It's inevitable that the focus will move towards him, as we've moved away from the single figurehead that was Fergie and are now seeing how the void he left has been filled. We were so used to the manager being the focal point that Moyes and LvG took a lot of the early (partly deserved) flak but I think that's slowly changing.

It's pretty clear now that the void isn't being filled at all, and that a footballing incompetent is in control. We've already had the plane banner (which is a pretty tame display of pique) so I wouldn't be surprised if more anger is directed his way.

My only concern is that, as fans, we've gone past the righteous anger of the 'Green and Gold' and are now just lost in apathy. Most Reds I speak to are just bored and done in. More and more are drifting away from games and losing interest, so I don't sense any collective urge to campaign about the rotten core at the centre of the club.

It's worrying.
 
So, to summarise...
He engineered the leveraged buy-out that led to us being massively in debt.
He's hired 3 completely different managers in 6 years.
He's sacked 2 of them well after they'd imploded and is doing the same with a 3rd.
He had no prior experience of running a club but has overruled one of the best managers of the modern era regarding transfers.
He's overseen the stagnation of our stadium.
He's failed to implement any tangible structure or vision for how we should be run.

The guy is a Glazer stooge and a plague on our club.
Bullshit, you're total disregard for our facebook and twitter traffic is astounding. This is how the Ed measures a football clubs success.
Joking aside you have it down. Aside from splunking big money and contracts on exciting players that have totally failed to excite or perform to an average standard he has been a disaster for this club. Sad thing is he is going nowhere.
 
His decision to block the transfers of Martial, Shaw and Pogba at all costs seems a very goo decision, as was the decision to not spend a fortune in Willian.

He should have made money available for a CB though, no doubt there.

Blocking the transfers of young and talented players who were signed just few years ago for awful lot of money really shouldn't be something that we regard as great decision, it's perfectly normal and expected decision anyone with half brain would do. I don't like Mourinho, but I am not sure even that he wanted to sell them before signing some other top players before. I think it's just Woody's PR crew doing their thing.
 
He only saw the results Mourinho gets. It did not see the means. Same with Madrid when they hired Mourinho. It was result based.

He either should have kept on Van Gaal (as toxic as that sounds) or hired a manager with the same ethos as van gaal. We have basically had three different managers with three different styles and three different rebuilding jobs.

Really not enjoying watching us now. It is difficult having to watch us, play for draws or 1-0 wins, when we have the players to dominate like City, Chelsea and liverpool do, although liverpool have dipped this year.
 
So, to summarise...
He engineered the leveraged buy-out that led to us being massively in debt.
He's hired 3 completely different managers in 6 years.
He's sacked 2 of them well after they'd imploded and is doing the same with a 3rd.
He had no prior experience of running a club but has overruled one of the best managers of the modern era regarding transfers.
He's overseen the stagnation of our stadium.
He's failed to implement any tangible structure or vision for how we should be run.

The guy is a Glazer stooge and a plague on our club.

Solid summary
 
So, to summarise...
He engineered the leveraged buy-out that led to us being massively in debt.
He's hired 3 completely different managers in 6 years.
He's sacked 2 of them well after they'd imploded and is doing the same with a 3rd.
He had no prior experience of running a club but has overruled one of the best managers of the modern era regarding transfers.
He's overseen the stagnation of our stadium.
He's failed to implement any tangible structure or vision for how we should be run.

The guy is a Glazer stooge and a plague on our club.

I feel you could have further highlighted our rather odd (odd here meaning "shit") transfer windows under his reign but basically, yes.
 
He needs to do what we did with the academy, review everything, make a plan and appoint new staff. I imagine he will sack Mourinho when we finish 6th and then appoint most high profile and out of work manager.

It’s shambolic how the club is run and feels like change has to be imminent but I would t be surprised if nothing changes for years.
 
There won’t ever be enough pressure from the fans to force Woodward out because the cattle will always blame whichever manager happens to be sat in the dugout at the time
 
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