He won't given we have fans who lap it all up.
Man Utd set to appoint Director of Football (when hell freezes over)
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The way United work (no DOF or sports director), the buck stops with the manager. He is the one who gives the CEO his list. Technically we can improve things up by adding a top quality DOF. However we all know Mou's aversion towards DOFs.
Regarding your second comment. Well I have doubts on that. Bailly (Espanyol), Lindelof (Benfica) and Dalot (Porto) are at similar levels to Cancelo (Valencia) and Sandro (Porto) transfer wise (not talent wise). Matic is a Chelsea reject same as Cuadrado is. Juventus just added the right players while Mou blew his budget mostly on, well, tripe.
I think United fans appreciate good talent when they see it, irrespective of how much it costed us or were they came from. The likes of Schmeichel, Ole, Carrick and Hernandez can easily testify to that.
You have probably hit the nail on the head there. Maybe Zidane has been asked and turned us down, or someone has said yes but not till next season, who knows?
And that's a terrible of handling a club. You can't be living or dying with manager's choices. We need structre.
Hmm disagree. Most United want flashy names and despise signing old players or work horses. Juve sign a lot of those. "Not United quality" is said a lot here while we're having the likes of Lingard starting for us.
You just need to see what was said regarding the possible transfer or Cancelo. Not that I think he would perform the same with Mourinho than there, but that's other question.
I fully agree on your first sentence. Regarding your second sentence we do hate signing old players, that's true. However we don't hate work horses (Park, Fortune, Butt and Phil Nev can testify to that) if used correctly and we certainly don't hate having the unknown talent being signed as long is its good. There weren't any protests on the streets when we added Dalot, Lindelof or Bailly to the team weren't they?
What United fans and the club do complain about us spending millions on players only for the manager to lose interest on them few months after signed.
Cancelo is a way bigger name then Dalot is.
By the way comparing the 2 with the same age I still think Dalot can get better. Problem is it will take time and confidence from someone else who comes after Mourinho.
We didn't before, but post SAF years most United fans have become a new version of Madrid fans when it comes to transfers and has "United quality" as standard for signing players. Almost everyone here refused to sign Mane, laughed at Liverpool signing VVD, refused to sign Moura and Perisic..etc. I bet you everyone of those would have improved us massively. We have become mostly muppets.
I agree. However we're talking about names here and the concept that United fans only want big names. I was pretty thrilled with us signing Dalot and so were most fans in here and beyond.
There is no problem on signing young talent if there is the right environment and manager to develop them.
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I agree with your assessment. A player that's 28 today plays many more years than they used to due to better healthcare, tech, food and support etc. We are lacking more of the experienced/based meat and potatoes types proficient in the dark arts to add us mental grit.
Well, it’s lucky that the fans have no input whatsoever on transfer matters then.
Jose is right about our transfer policy. We are buying players in terms one for one. Carrick retires, we buy Fred, Zlatan leaves, we buy Lukaku, we don't buy right winger because some players can play that( they can but we need someone who is natural there), etc...
Look at other top clubs. They have fantastic players on the bench. Especially in attack. We have four players who cover 3 positions. Ridiculous.
Even that policy one for one, we are doing only if it is a must, when player is too old or retires. Why not buy another defender and sell one? Why not buy another left back and let him fight with Shaw? Why not buy one more top striker and let him fight with Lukaku? I am not saying here that we must have 22 top class players( i know it is impossible and it is not the right way) but in some areas of squad you must do that.
Ed is lost in transfers. He doesn't know how to sell a player and he thinks that he knows how to build a squad. I have a feeling that he is building squad and managers are here only to coach.
Look at other top clubs. They have fantastic players on the bench. Especially in attack. We have four players who cover 3 positions. Ridiculous.
Even that policy one for one, we are doing only if it is a must, when player is too old or retires. Why not buy another defender and sell one? Why not buy another left back and let him fight with Shaw? Why not buy one more top striker and let him fight with Lukaku? I am not saying here that we must have 22 top class players( i know it is impossible and it is not the right way) but in some areas of squad you must do that.
Ed is lost in transfers. He doesn't know how to sell a player and he thinks that he knows how to build a squad. I have a feeling that he is building squad and managers are here only to coach.
We need new players.
The stuff the the Jose cultists posts sometimes will drive you nuts
. He moaned about not getting CB's and they all come out attributing all our problems to the lack of CB's. We joke about it but it's really like a religious cultNow you're blaming Woodward for signing only players Jose requested for? You guys conveniently when Jose severally said he does not need more attackers right? When we already have people claiming we are crap because all our signings are 'club' signings.
Why do we need a RW at all? did we even need Sanchez the LW?
The fact is this squad was built for 352 - from the wingbacks; to the types of forwards that play together, to the lack of wingers, to reliance on 3 defenders rather than 2.
Jose for no reason forced us to go to 4231 because its his tactic - not United's tactic. For that we need a damn target man, new wingers on both side, new fullback, one more sturdy defender, a defensive midfielder who is his ex player - the list goes on.
If Jose had played 352 for the whole damn tenure he would be better right now and so would we. He used this formation when he felt like it- so its not like he doesnt see it & used it just this pre-season.
If we had 352 right now - we have the potential to have 2 strikers upfront by now, a CAM that he could have bought that enables some good passing to forwards, Another CM to sit next to pogba, another CB to give freedom to a player like lindelof if he really can be a ball playing defender, the use of players like young, valencia, shaw, dalot as wingbacks that cross rather than have martial & rashford cross - the list is damn near endless.
This thing about Woodward not buying Jose players has to stop as an excuse - because Jose was not looking at this team and trying to buy what it needed - he was merely trying to buy players that fit his old formation, players that he had managed before, players that he simply wanted here.
We need a manager who looks at his children & puts them on the past of their best ability. We dont need a manager who chucks his children out saying that they are not goo enough and trying to buy children that resemble the one's he had with his past wife.
It’s funny how Woodward seems to get the blame when signings don’t work out, he hasn’t built this squad, 3 incompetent managers have.
His biggest flaw is he doesn’t know how to recruit managers and then he gives them too much power and control. He needs a structure between him and the manager and someone to help with implementing a plan and decision making. If he isn’t in the process of doing that then that isn’t acceptable but I suspect it won’t happen whilst Mourinho is in charge.
Mourinho has been allowed to buy the two most expensive players in the league and to bring in short term proven players like Matic and Sanchez as well as spending a fortune on other players, he can’t really complain.
We're talking about Ed Woodward here. The man who refused to sack Moyes and LvG for months until top 4 was mathematically impossible presumably so that he can activate some clause on their contract and save some money short term.
He is starting to piss me off. Pull the bloody trigger. What more does a manager have to do to get fired? and he should stop giving these blokes so much power.
Yeah. Signed by a more competent manager.
Whoever the manager is, we need new players.
It won't matter under this one going by his past record at the club. He's already spent a fortune and not succeeded.
This just hit me, because it's so obvious to speculate about: I believe that Woodward (perhaps every day!) ponders whether he can sign Neymar or not. Surely, it must be the peak of his football-related commercial dreams?
Or rather; more specifically: imagining himself at that first annual or quarterly report meeting with the board—since having signed Neymar. Presenting the spike in marketing, numbers, social media… oh my. Woodward would pick his sharpest suit for that gathering.
I mean, if PSG were to not advance from the group stages in the Champions League, I can see Neymar having doubts about staying at PSG beyond January.
The cup-tied rule has been scrapped, so that's no longer a hindrance. For argument's sake, let's also exclude a comeback to Barca, and instead include a willingness from Neymar to join us, having previously expressed his interest in the Premier League too. Additionally, PSG have already another jewel and asset to cherish and protect, in Mbappé, so that would be fine as well.
It's January, nearly approaching February, the transfer window is still open, PSG are heading into the Europa League, having more or less wrapped up Ligue 1 already: will Woodward attempt to sign Neymar?
I think there'd be multiple echoes of a resounding yes in Woodward's mind.
Or rather; more specifically: imagining himself at that first annual or quarterly report meeting with the board—since having signed Neymar. Presenting the spike in marketing, numbers, social media… oh my. Woodward would pick his sharpest suit for that gathering.
I mean, if PSG were to not advance from the group stages in the Champions League, I can see Neymar having doubts about staying at PSG beyond January.
The cup-tied rule has been scrapped, so that's no longer a hindrance. For argument's sake, let's also exclude a comeback to Barca, and instead include a willingness from Neymar to join us, having previously expressed his interest in the Premier League too. Additionally, PSG have already another jewel and asset to cherish and protect, in Mbappé, so that would be fine as well.
It's January, nearly approaching February, the transfer window is still open, PSG are heading into the Europa League, having more or less wrapped up Ligue 1 already: will Woodward attempt to sign Neymar?
I think there'd be multiple echoes of a resounding yes in Woodward's mind.
I think that this sums things up nicely.
Why on Earth would Woodward relinquish control, that he has worked so hard to acquire? It makes no sense.
The only way we will hire a DoF, is if something goes really really wrong, to an extent that he is getting serious flack in the media and from the fans.
Of course, Woodward would love to buy another Galactico (like Neymar), but Neymar is not going anywhere. He will remain at PSG for a very long time.
Verratti tried to leave PSG, but couldn't.
We became spoiled by Fergie. Now due to FM we all think it’s an easy gig
Anyone heard any rumours of why we’ve seen him sitting with Evra lately? I know the usual it could be to do with Zidane stuff but I was just wondering why we haven’t seen anything in the rags or on the interporn, the media usually love adding 2+2 and coming out with a load of bollocks but I personally haven’t seen anything mentioned.
Now you've said it, it'll be read by the various idiot journalists prowling the caf. Expect your wishes to be fulfilled soon.
Woodward is suffering for delusions of grandeur. It's more common than people think. Especially in corporate environments - where a person (e.g. CMO thinking he is a world-class marketer but he's just some moron who knows how to suck up). I've met so many incompetent people in senior positions.
At this point, Woodward is in the wrong. We can clearly see that it's not worked out Mourinho. Yet he's still waiting for a time to fire him. By waiting until a top 4 place is impossible, he makes it harder for us to progress next year.
Which scenario would you choose?
Scenario A - Fire Mourinho next week and find a new manager (Jardim) / or caretaker duo of Carrick and McKenna
Cost £10-15 million or whatever compensation he gets.
Benefit 1 - new manager gets to know players and choose who to sell in January and Summer.
Benefit 2 - we get to potentially redeem our season and push for a trophy.
Benefit 3 - The new manager gets enough time to prepare us for the 2019/2020 season. It also sends a message to potential players that Man Utd have taken an exciting new direction. Do they want to be part of it?
Benefit 4 - signing players and marginalising them, Mourinho's reputation is getting worse in terms of these younger players who want to be in sides playing attacking football. By firing Mourinho we are sending a message to potential players put off Man Utd due their growth being spurted.
Our last 3 managers started in the summers. Whenever there were blips, everyone said, "Give them a chance, it takes time".
Here we have a chance to eliminate all excuses. We get a new manager to build momentum for this year, he gets time on picking which players stick and which players don't.
We have more time to prepare for the season, get the players we need.
This won't happen because Woodward is going to play it safe.
At this point, Woodward is in the wrong. We can clearly see that it's not worked out Mourinho. Yet he's still waiting for a time to fire him. By waiting until a top 4 place is impossible, he makes it harder for us to progress next year.
Which scenario would you choose?
Scenario A - Fire Mourinho next week and find a new manager (Jardim) / or caretaker duo of Carrick and McKenna
Cost £10-15 million or whatever compensation he gets.
Benefit 1 - new manager gets to know players and choose who to sell in January and Summer.
Benefit 2 - we get to potentially redeem our season and push for a trophy.
Benefit 3 - The new manager gets enough time to prepare us for the 2019/2020 season. It also sends a message to potential players that Man Utd have taken an exciting new direction. Do they want to be part of it?
Benefit 4 - signing players and marginalising them, Mourinho's reputation is getting worse in terms of these younger players who want to be in sides playing attacking football. By firing Mourinho we are sending a message to potential players put off Man Utd due their growth being spurted.
Our last 3 managers started in the summers. Whenever there were blips, everyone said, "Give them a chance, it takes time".
Here we have a chance to eliminate all excuses. We get a new manager to build momentum for this year, he gets time on picking which players stick and which players don't.
We have more time to prepare for the season, get the players we need.
This won't happen because Woodward is going to play it safe.
It does take time and it takes a board constantly backing the manager. We pulled out and unlike spurs never advised our manager of our spending plans in the summer. We should have been honest and said work with what you've got. That presumably would have meant our players didn't witness a club and manager trying to out them all summer....it might have helped. A board telling a manager one thing whilst thinking another was just not the way to go about it regardless of anything else. Whomever we bring in I hope we are honest with him and back him at the very least and when they decide to not do that, they should quickly replace them for the benefit of the club. A wasted season is on Ed.
Sooner or later, Woodward will sign a clapped-out Gareth Bale. He's bound and determined to do so.
Lots of truth in this I believe. Ed seems determined to get a big name, Neymar, Bale, despite the manager probably not wanting them. The commercial gain from these players would be immense, and that, I believe, is the crux. Ed deals in dollars, the manager deals in trophies. The only way out is for the board to appoint a DOF asap, this would enable Ed to concentrate on the commercial side of the business, and the DOF to concentrate on the football, with both reporting to the board, the DOF NOT being part of Ed's domain.
Then why did he not move for Ronaldo.....bringing the prodigal son home. In terms of everything he desires on the publicity front...Neymar doesn't really come close.
Possibly because José didn't want him? Perhaps there was fallout from their previous relationship? Who really knows.
I don't think Ronaldo wanted to return to start with.
Plus there was little resell value, I guess.
I'd have a pretty good stab at convincing him never mind Ed. That's his job. It was a mistake on our part not going for it. And given how we made it more than obvious re everyone we went for last summer.....we could have courted him in the same way......not getting him from a strategy point of view for me is 2nd only to letting Pep go to City.....Ed knew he wasnt gonna back Mou by then...he could have moved swiftly for ZZ and go from there with Ronaldo. We just aren't quite as dynamic as our rivals right now in terms of our disjointed approach.
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