Whats the point, if the caretaker isn't going to do a better job than the incumbent? The board don't need to be interested in short termism. I hope they are fully focused on securing a long term replacement. Jose can keep his job in the mean time.
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Whats the point, if the caretaker isn't going to do a better job than the incumbent? The board don't need to be interested in short termism. I hope they are fully focused on securing a long term replacement. Jose can keep his job in the mean time.
I think everyone knows he needs to go but to be honest there’s no one to replace him with at present probably.
And who wants to take over mid season at Manchester United into a poisoned chalice of a job and try and take the worst squad we’ve had in about 30 years somewhere without a real chance of replacing any of the large amount of crud players it consists of? On current evidence we won’t make the top 4, Chelsea Liverpool and man city look guaranteed they are so much better than us at present and it’s between us and spurs and arsenal for that 4th spot
Do we honestly think it can get worse?!
I mean our current manager is:
- Fighting with half the squad
- Slagging off individuals
- Slagging off the whole squad
- Slagging off the club
- Actively harming our chances to win games by picking strange sides
- Not being arsed to change things up when things aren't working (possibly because he doesn't even care)
- Not getting results
Really, how can it be worse then that? If the club can't select a caretaker that will not fight with the squad and/or actually give a shit, then I'd be very worried.
Even with a caretaker manager there is some hope of better performances, as it stands we are basically throwing away the season by continuing with the status quo. The players were trying last night, it wasn't down to a lack of effort. Its just they didn't know what to do once they get into the final third, which comes down to coaching.
He's basically put himself checkmate when you think about it.
Coming out in the summer about not wanting to pay 20 million over the odds for a CB to improve the squad, now the results are shite and he's going to have to fork out tens of millions in severance package when he fires Mourinho. This on top of the countless of other things that have been mentioned already, like giving Mourinho a new contract in the first place.
The Glazers gave him a lot of trust and authority, but after being in charge for six seasons and spending over 500 million without recuperating much of that money, sacking one manager after another, never coming close to a true big success like winning the league or CL, you'd think his ass on the line too. Would reflect much better on him if Mourinho could turn it around, but every match that looks more impossible.
We are averaging 1 win in 3 at the moment. Mckenna can't do worse while we get the right man. This spineless fecker needs to act.
Impossible to sack him when he's raking in all the sponsership money for the Glazers.
Seems to be picking a different side every week sooooo......
The caretaker will likely be from the current staff so who knows maybe nothing changes, Jose may take some of his coaching staff with him when sacked, so now we have more issues there.
Its not as simple as just replacing one guy, so you have to weigh up whether the hassle is worth it vs spending the time dealing with getting the next person in.
For all you know someone who is available could be willing to join the club and they could be sounding out how that could work. We're desperate for change I get it, but we shouldn't rush into it, which is exactly the mistakes we made previously.
Maybe they are busy working out and addressing the club structure and they are happy for Jose to do his job whilst they work everything out who knows.
I meant in-game.
Against West Ham he left us with our opening approach for about 50 minutes or so (if that exact game was happening in his first tenure at Chelsea, he'd have made subs in the first half and changed everything)
Yesterday he managed to watch that game of football and decide that only one of our players warranted replacing....
More so because clubs like City, Spurs and Pool have been keeping the the long term in mind with their managers, with all the potential beneficial side effects that can come from that.
He's busy preparing a bid as we speak, so it'll be a good few months before we get any action
Failure to find an alternative should never be a reason not to sack a manager.
If you got gangrene in your toe, you chop it off.
I doubt it.
I can't see Woodward relinquishing his power to anybody.
At present, he is held in very high regard by his bosses. He is making the club bigger and financially stronger. There can be no argument against this. As a CEO, he is doing a fantastic job (from the business side of things).
I can see no reason for him to change anything, at this moment in time.
For changes to kick in, I think it would happen if things really do go pear shaped and/or if/when the manager is replaced.
Course not let’s sack him and hire pardew he’s available.....
You could stop there with "he didn't back him in the transfer market". Period. Full stop. Woodward isn't qualified to judge the players that Mourinho wanted -- at all in any way. As far as "could turn out to be another Sanchez" well they could have turned out to be another Evra too. Or anybody else.
Besides that, it's Woodward who makes the deals. How about he gets the players Mourinho wanted without giving them stupidly long contracts for stupidly large amounts of money?
I'm wondering if we should approach this like a transfer saga - We need people monitoring Ed, seeing if he makes unusual business trips or changes plans at the last moment.
That way we will be able to judge...
is it business as Usual - he is just waiting for things to blow over...money coming in...all is fine
He is working on a resolution down the road - writing off this season...waiting for champs league to be missed to save some cash....tricky to spot
Sorted By Christmas - Looking to negotiate for someone to come in on temp basis....conversations with football people, rumours and briefings
Meltdown - Just get him out now - Shouts, screams, checking out of the Lowry - obviously leaked trolling of each other
So does anyone have access to his diary?
Anyone work near his London Offices?
Anyone got contacts with Limo / exec car company we have used for recent transfers?
Anyone an expert on Flight tracker / Flight Simulator so we can all enjoy flying in the replacement?
We didn't get a proper Muppet transfer saga this summer so we should maybe do it for the replacement manager
That way we will be able to judge...
is it business as Usual - he is just waiting for things to blow over...money coming in...all is fine
He is working on a resolution down the road - writing off this season...waiting for champs league to be missed to save some cash....tricky to spot
Sorted By Christmas - Looking to negotiate for someone to come in on temp basis....conversations with football people, rumours and briefings
Meltdown - Just get him out now - Shouts, screams, checking out of the Lowry - obviously leaked trolling of each other
So does anyone have access to his diary?
Anyone work near his London Offices?
Anyone got contacts with Limo / exec car company we have used for recent transfers?
Anyone an expert on Flight tracker / Flight Simulator so we can all enjoy flying in the replacement?
We didn't get a proper Muppet transfer saga this summer so we should maybe do it for the replacement manager
Woodwards contribution to this mess cannot be overstated enough,the very fact that he is allowing this to continue purely because of Mourinhos substantial payoff speaks volumes about what the clubs number one priorities are!
Baseless accusations.
Baseless?? Moyes/Van Gaal top 4 clause.....
True - could just be utter incompetence from Woodward.
Let him focus on just the commercial side of the game. That’s what he seems to be good at. Keep him away from the footballing side on the pitch.
For that we need a DoF that will be able to restructure this whole area that is lacking at this club. We don’t have an identity and clear vision ahead.
For that we need a DoF that will be able to restructure this whole area that is lacking at this club. We don’t have an identity and clear vision ahead.
Pretty standard in managerial contracts, else he wouldn't be doing his job
Rock and a hard place. Sack Jose, share price is impacted. Don't sack Jose, share price is eventually impacted. Right now the share price is holding up so no urgency for Woodward to act.
I know that's not what we, as fans, want to hear but that is the underlying truth!
I know that's not what we, as fans, want to hear but that is the underlying truth!
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Imagine if he didn’t put one in, the very same people would be going nuts.
Emphasises the point,money first!
I would have put very definite clauses in there about behaviour expected from Jose as well. His recent comments have involved bullying and bringing the clubs reputation into disrepute. He should be going through a disciplinary process that would make negotiating his exit easier.
Oh I agree, it’s got to the point where this club could be fighting a bottom half finish, even relegation at this point it’s got this bad. I hear many say there is no long term vision, which might be true, but big clubs like Madrid never plan 5 to 10 years, what they have is a driving vision to win, and if that manager cannot and refuse to buy into the way this club is built on they can feck off. Jose mourinho should have been fired in March after the complete disgrace in his resppnce to defeat, bragging about his achievements, crapping on the club. It’s simple mourinho,!get out our club this senile man who we don’t owe a thing too. He will go down has one of the most mediocre football managers in recent times, to manage this club. He’s a failure, who is just not workable with
Forwards costing many millions in transfer fees and wages don’t know what to do when they get into the final third , god help us
He goes to all the games right? How can he not see that the performances are well below standard. He doesn't have a clue about football.
I don't think you even need to have a clue about football to see we're fecking terrible.
Well you answered your own question there mate.
Nothing to do with first.
Expensive parts can function improperly if the mechanic doesn't know how to put them in place with the rest of the components. If spending million dollars is all it takes, it renders the job of the manager pointless.
Yes. Well said, exactly what we need. I have no idea about who or what a top class DOF would be about, but obviously a good footballing brain, experience in buying and selling players, and a great vision would certainly help.
Whenever Jose goes Ed should step down, or at the very lease step aside from running the footballing part of the club. 3 failed managers and he is the common denominator, the rot starts from him.
Woodward has signed off on 400+ million of transfers. Most likely Woodward wants value for the money (which isn't Jose's cash) and not be spending 60 mill on 30 year olds that would need another 80m to replace in 2 years. I assume Ed wants Jose to spend big on young players as they are long term investments and deliver far more value. Who gives you more value Sane or Willian? In many ways Ed should of known this about Jose that he loves 29 year olds and cannot develop younger players. I imagine Ed looks at Lindelof and Bailly and thinks "no thanks, I am supposed to buy another CB after your past judgements".
If Jose and Ed both were replaced at the same time wouldn't it be similar to Sir Alex and Gill stepping down together? I mean our club structure may not have changed much. Replacing two top powerful positions may again prove to be too much of a disruption as it proved during the Moyes tenure.
I think we need to first reduce the role of manager to a coaching one and separate the footballing matters from the overall CEO role before we even think about replacing the authority that Ed holds as of now.
I think we need to first reduce the role of manager to a coaching one and separate the footballing matters from the overall CEO role before we even think about replacing the authority that Ed holds as of now.
Very good point
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