The only thing his managerial record proves is that he's a consistent winner and a world class manager. And that's not an exaggeration.
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The only thing his managerial record proves is that he's a consistent winner and a world class manager. And that's not an exaggeration.
Well said, yeah people who say no to Jose say this and that, but his record speaks for itself
Christ weve even got a vote for Mike Phelan now....someones been out on the piss...
I just voted for Martin O'Neil but my heart wasnt in it at all. I didnt want to vote for Mourinho but looking at that list.... it is such a long fecking list and yet he really is the one who stands out. And yet I just dont want it.
Please dont retire SAF. A few more years and we'll have some more insight into the younger candidates.
Please dont retire SAF. A few more years and we'll have some more insight into the younger candidates.
It would be a nightmare if Jose went to city or liverpool. That would be way to dangerous. He is the right guy for the United job. Its that simple.
Probably because he's quite comfortably the best option to continue our winning trophies. The fact that so many naysayers have spent much of this thread clutching at straws to trivialize his accomplishments rather than talk up their preferred candidates, only goes to show his quality and how difficult it is to make the accomplishments of other managers look as good as his.
a) He's a cock
b) He'd make himself bigger than the club, then probably storm off in a huff
c) He's not actually THAT good at managing
d) His style of managing isn't exactly in keeping with the club's traditions
e) He fecked Chelsea off because they wouldn't let him spend enough money...we have no money
alright, who voted for phelan. own up.
fergie's has it planned every year, he keeps benitez in a job, to make sure he gets to stay at united and mourinio does not go to liverpool as benitezs replacement
He's not actually that good at managing. As evidenced by his record as a manager.
Noodle you're talking a load of old cobblers.
A) Ask any fan outside of United and theyd say the same about Sir Alex...
B) Asssumptions and 'probablys' 'maybe this might happen' theories are hardly watertight arguments to be fair...
C) His managerial record says otherwise..
D) which is what? swashbuckling all out attack? we havnt played that way for years...name the last european away game we even played with 2 strikers for example??
E) No he didnt...he 'fecked off' because Abramovich started buying the players (see Shevchenko and Ballack transfers) and meddling in first team affairs...hence why chelsea have been through 5 managers in 2 years...
He is the only manager out there with the arrogance to step into SAF's shadow.
That will be a bigger challenge than managing the team and even the best managers could crumble IMO.
That will be a bigger challenge than managing the team and even the best managers could crumble IMO.
I'd agree with this.
It seems the strongest reason for people not wanting Mourinho in is that they think he is a cock, and this influences the rest of their judgement.
Alfy, you've talked sense in this thread.
Or possibly that he doesn't look like them.
I'm not though. For all the credit he got, Chelsea were in better shape when he took over than when he left. He won a couple of league titles whilst in charge of a club who'd just spent more money in two years than any other club in the history of football, and then he left in a huff because he wasn't given enough money. I mean, for feck sake.
and he's not really up to much at Inter, other than pissing some people off and making noises about how he'd not so sectretly rather be elsewhere.
The last thing we need at the moment is a showpony with no interest in the club's welfare. Seriously, he'd be a disaster, and I think City will get him in before Fergie calls it a day anyway.
a) Yeah, Sir Alex is a cock, but he's been here twenty odd years, and built a empire. He's earned the right to be one, and he's a different kind of cock. Sir Alex is all about winning. Mourinho's all about Jose Mourinho. That's not what I want in charge of our club
b) We're discussing who should be the next United manager "Asssumptions and 'probablys' 'maybe this might happen' theories" are pretty much all there is to go on.
c) Not convinced. He won a CL with Porto...fair enough, but they were probably the weakest Champions League winners ever. He couldn't win it again with unlimited resources at Chelsea, and in fact ended up second best to United domestically. He's not exactly moved Inter forwards since taking over. It'd be pretty hard to, if we're being fair, it's a bit of a comfort zone job.
d) We don't play like a bunch of insufferably boring, utter cheating cnuts either. A common trate of all Mourinho sides.
e) He fecked off because he was "forced" to sign players like Sidwell and Ben Haim, instead of being given loads of money to buy off the competition. This is a guy who's managed to fall out with Claudio Ranieri. He'd probably initiate world war 3 if he was put in Fergie's position.
You could easily argue Joses record of winning league titles in 3 different countries as well as the champions league with a minor team means hes earned the right to act a cock as well....he talks the talk yes but he backs it up with titles which is all you can do....his record is sensational whichever way you look at it with every club hes managed to date...
True but if your going to do that then surely you cant simply assume the worst without even begining to pay respect to what the man actually did for all the clubs hes managed and how he could quite conceivably be brilliant for us....the sheer fact he seems to command the respect of every player hes coached in the game suggest hes doing something right on the coaching ground...
Surely the fact he won the champions league with a relatively poor side in relation to all the other winners is even more reason to suggest the man knows what hes doing in mamangement? the likes of Arsene Wenger have been managing a hell of alot longer with far better players than Jose had at porto and never won the thing despite numerous attempts over a 12 year period.....At chelsea you could argue he would have won it had it not been for a 'ghost goal' that should never have even been given...not to mention gudjohnson missing a tap in at the back post in the last minute at anfield...aswell as going out on a penalty shoot out a year later....he cant exactly control such incidents can he...and at Inter in his first full year in the compeition he drew us...a superior side and went out...hardly any sort of disgrace..
Well you could argue his football at chelsea was at no time any less exciting than us last season...as well as the fact everyteam has 'divers' and such like its simply the way the game is in the modern climate unfortunatly....hes hardly alone with his teams being that way is he lets face it...
Well exactly..he was having players he didn’t want thrust upon him by the powers that be...if that happened to Sir Alex hed be long gone to....you talk as if he can and has only ever won things when he’s received unparalleled financial clout...Porto the scene of arguably his greatest ever success alone dismisses that theory....
Agree with absolutely every word here.
By the way, I've read a couple of posts here saying that things went wrong for Mourinho at Chelsea because he had players like Ballack forced upon him. Seems like people have forgotten how much SAF wanted Ballack before he chose Chelsea.
I also think people forget too easily how Mourinho's Chelsea were eventually overhauled by United, despite the gulf in finances, and that they ended up playing some incredibly flat and uninspiring football.
I'm most shocked by how people can just completely overlook point d) from above... Still, anything for a few trophies eh?
Right, who voted for Mike Phelan?!
So United have never played flat and uninspiriring football under Fergie? Again, this 'attacking philosophy' people seem to think we have is a myth.
Also, him fecking off Chelsea probably has more to do with players and Directors of Football being brought in against his wishes more than anything. How long would Fergie stay at United if that started to happen? Also, let's not dismiss the incredible pressure Mourinho was under to succeed - it wasn't about playing pretty football all the time, it was about winning at all costs, just look at the number of managers Chelsea have had since his departure.
I wouldn't say his record at Chelsea was "sensational". With the money they spent it was more along the lines of what was to be expected, with the lack of a CL trophy being a major disappointment seeing as the aim was to concur Europe.
Nor at Inter either. They were already by far the strongest team in Italy when he took over. It's debatable whether they've gone forwards or backwards since.
Even Rafa Benitez has a pretty good track record, and he won the CL with a "minor" team, if you like, in a year when the competition was of a far higher standard than when Porto won it. People read too much into things....Greece won the Euros in 2004 and I've no idea who their manager even was. If he made as much noise as Mourinho he'd probably be managing Real or City by now.
I don't think he will be brilliant for us, that's the point. With the club's finances as they are and current crop of players, I think he's the last thing we need.
Shouldn't the "ghost goal" have been a penalty and a red card anyway? It's an incredibly thin argument...they didn't deserve to win that game. You could make a far more valid counter argument with regards to the Scholes "offside" goal against Porto, which would have almost certainly knocked them out. And in anycase, stuff like that is just tough shit.
Well, his Porto side were by far the most dispicable bunch of cheats I've ever witnessed (they really were), and his Chelsea team is the closest thing I've seen to that since. Both sides were also incredibly dull and joyless, something I'd never say has been true of United, even last season.
He didn't have those players "thrust" upon him, he bought them of his own choosing, publicly slagged them off for being a bit rubbish, then threw a hissy fit and left. Sorry, but that on it's own puts a big x through his name for me. We just can't risk putting our faith and finances in the hands of a manager who might do that. Sir Alex has made some genuinely shit signings, but he's stuck by his guns and then when it hasn't worked out tried to put things right (usually succesfully).
Well said
No he's not, he makes great points but unfortunately like Berbatov, most people get an idea he must be great due to reputation but really cant admit they're not....
No-one is claiming Mourinho is perfect for the job here, he has his flaws, of course he does, but he's the most qualified out of anybody out there at the moment.
I'm surprised Del Bosque hasn't been mentioned yet, he's done well wherever he's been and is far more qualified than Blanc.
I'm surprised Del Bosque hasn't been mentioned yet, he's done well wherever he's been and is far more qualified than Blanc.
I'm shocked by the 60% of the vote for Mourinho. I just don't think he's a United manager.
It's not well said though. Noodle thinking he is a cock is not an argument against why he should be the United manager really now is it? Point B is silly, Mourinho is ambitious, he wants to win, that's what makes him so good. He probably wants to go down in history akin to Sir Alex as one of the greatest managers ever. He's talked about staying in the PL for a good 10 years or so and building an empire. People use the fact he's left his first 2 proper managerial positions (Both have valid reasons as to why he left) as a reason to think he's just going to walk out on every club, which is rubbish. He's talked of his admiration for the Premier League, for United, and he's not going to come and then leave after a couple of years. Point C is laughable, considering his track record. Point D is also a load of rubbish, what about Fergie in European away games? Is that not in keeping with the club's traditions? Point E I highly doubt is true, and I've already said the reason I think he left.
Jose is romping it in this poll.
I think Fergie's a cock too, for the record, but I love the man and dread the day he leaves.
Whoever takes the United job is going to be ambitious, that's a given. What Mourinho says he's going to do, and what Mournho does, have never exactly been one and the same, have they? Why do people STILL believe the shit he spouts as if he means every word?
His managerial record since he left Porto, isn't actually that great, when you look at the clubs he's managed and their relative positions of strength. It's not bad either, but it's hardly miracle working on the level people like to think.
The club has traditions beyond 4-4-2, gimpo
I somehow doubt Abramovic forced Mourinho to buy Steve Sidwell.
The main thing he has going for him is that he's one of the very few who's reputation means they're likely to be given a fair chance, which is fine, IF you think he's the right man for the job. I don't
So who do you want to take over, then?
No-one is saying Abramovich forced him to buy Sidwell. He bought Shevchenko for him though, he probably bought Wright Philips too, and he brought in Grant against Mourinho's wishes, so I think he had plenty to be pissed off about. What about leaving mid-way through a PL game just because your team is losing? Again, Abramovich must have been very difficult to work with.
Sidwell was a bad signing, so was Djemba X2, Miller, Kleberson et al, all managers have their share of bad signings.
Of course the club has traditions beyond 4-4-2, but people label boring football as a reason why they don't want Mourinho. Arnesen was brought in at Chelsea to develop youth, it was Mourinho's job to conquer England and Europe, not to develop the youth squad in within 2 years. How long before 'Fergie's Fledglings' came through?
Well the results of the poll speak for themselves.
Why on earth would Abramovic force Mourinho to buy Wright Philips? That's silly. He did bring in Grant, and there's no doubt he fell out with Jose, but, Mourinho falls out with everyone, in fairness. He doesn't like having his ego checked. Of the managers Chelsea have had since, Grant and Scolari were a bit shit, and Hiddink never wanted the job full time to begin with.
Most managers make the odd bad signing (apart from Wenger), and as a result they usually either get sacked or stick it out and turn things round. I'm just pointing out the innacuracy of laying the blame for said bad signings at Abramovic's feet.
and it's not just the bring football...that I could stand. It's the whole attitude/mentality his teams play with. "I do not entertain!"
Fair enough Noodle i just don’t share the same opinion on this one...im of the opinion hed be just what we need when we lose the great man...one of the main reasons being i think were going to need more than just a quality manager when Fergie does retire were also going to need a huge character….a man who can handle the pressure of filling the great mans shoes...an entirely different aspect than just being a good manager of a team...
Other than Mourinhio i don’t see to many if any others out there capable of this right now...its the sort of job that’s going to need a man who’s not scared to do things his way and stick two fingers up to the press when the inevitable 'United are finished without fergie' stuff gets spouted from the media...which we all know it will at some stage or another...make no mistake the pressure on the next manager is going to be mammoth and were going to need a strong character to handle it...Mourinhios got the arrogance/self confidence to believe in himself and his methods even in such situations he really couldnt care less what other people think and in my view thats exactly what were going to need of our next manager...who else can we honestly say the same about?
Out of interest who would you like to see given the job?
here is the OP from a thread i made back in the newbs, special thanks to mexos for sending it to me
ok i participate in alot of mourinho threads (as i'm sure you all have noticed) and one point always appears that i don't understand the reasoning behind, and this is it.
jose mourinho never stays at clubs for a prolonged period
right now these are what rafa would call the fachts, mourinho has had five jobs in his nine year tenure, now lets go through these jobs and why he left after a short amount of time
Benfica= new president wanted own manager, like when keegan left newcastle, he was their kinnear if you wish
Leiria= led them to there highest ever finish, was then offered the much larger porto job
porto= proved he was a very good manager by winning champions league, immediately got offered the chelsea job
Chelsea= Once again a huge succes, was offered the chance to manage a team that could challenge for europe every season with lots of money (most of which never materialised) was then sacked after disagreement with abramovich
Inter= current job, will only leave if sacked or a "special" club makes an approach
looking at these facts i cannot see what makes people think mourinho leaves clubs as easily as is made out
so can anyone enlighten me?
Impossible to predict which managers will remain. The ownership could get fed up and fire the manager after a few Arsenal type trophy-less seasons. After all, he's not SAF and with the squad the next manager will inherit, there won't but much allowance for excuses. Unless a few more clubs get bought up by shady billionaires who start dropping 100m per summer on talent and push United down the table.
a) SAF sometimes comes off as quite arrogant - all successful managers do
b) and he'd relish in succeeding a legend like SAF while others would feel the pressure; the storm off part you can't predict the future and he's only done that once in his career, while working for an owner that started making his own signings for the club
c) umm, righto,
d) like how SAF changed United's style after another European exit in 2002, and has parked a bus against certain clubs in order to "grind out a results" in the past and present (and yes I'm aware there is more than just tactics at United)
e) he obviously was burnt out that an owner with limited football knowledge started making his own signings and placing unrealistic expectations on him; and yes, I'll concede that there is a possibility that Jose left because maybe he didn't want to be a runner-up again
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