Mourinho would be a big mistake. You're (nearly) all idiots
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Noodles, please share your view as to why.
Good arguments, noods.
how has mcleish got a place on the poll and eboue and noodle don't?
I absolutely agree with Noodlehair, Mourinho is a great manager but .......
is way overhyped, plays dull football that grinds out results but as soon as he gets found out he blames everyone but himself. Benitez found him out and always beat him with inferior players, Many of his signings have been very poor, Muntari, Quaresma, Sneijder, Kalou etc
I think Mourinho could do well at United for a period of time but would run a mile as soon as the fans found him out and the going got too tough!
is way overhyped, plays dull football that grinds out results but as soon as he gets found out he blames everyone but himself. Benitez found him out and always beat him with inferior players, Many of his signings have been very poor, Muntari, Quaresma, Sneijder, Kalou etc
I think Mourinho could do well at United for a period of time but would run a mile as soon as the fans found him out and the going got too tough!
People hate Mourinho, for the simple fact he was successful. Look at Wenger, most hated him whilst he was winning things, he stops and, oh, becomes likeable!
Weirdos.
Weirdos.
Whoa well said Elvis is it Friday the 13th or something
yet another dull football comment, you do realise that it's nonsense dont you?
do you remember duff and robben on the wing for chelsea
and that is from a united fanalso signings like robben, duff, ballack, cech, carvalho, deco (porto), essien, drogba, cashley etc... aren't that bad are they?
also on grinding out results, didn't we do that last year?
Agreed 100%.
Poor in the transfer market and more importantly - a poor record with youth and tactics that completely go against the attacking philosophy this club has had throughout its history.
He made the best transfer between the Ronaldo transfers, people thought he overpayed for Essien....look at that now
Except for last season maybe...where our 'attacking philosophy' was pretty much non existent all season...how many 1-0's did we grind out last season? wasnt our succes based on our almost impregnable backline?.....
As for being Poor in the transfer market? chelseas two best players were Mourinhio signings...
Attacking philosophy disappears in big games.
Most managers could be perceived as poor in the transfer market when compared to Fergie. Unfortunately, none of the leading alternatives have impressive youth or transfer records, with the possible exception of Wenger, but then again this is looking more like a two horse race between Blanc and Mourinho.
It's ablue moon
True, and I must confess it irks me. Look at Barcelona, people criticise them for only have one way to play - but when they play like that why should they change? They're confident enough in their own ability to play as they want to and let their opponents worry about how to deal with it. Recently it seems to me that we've gone too far towards trying to nullify the opposition, instead of making them deal with us. I'm not denying that it can be successful, but it completely contradicts those who are citing our proud history of "attcking football".
Yes, but, shut up!
This attacking philosophy stuff has always been a bit of a kop out argument where Mourinhios concerned to be honest...Mourinhios Chelsea played some great stuff on plenty of memorable occasions not least in Europe where we well and truly go into our shell these days…people like to try and make out were still this ‘you score 3 we‘ll score 4‘ team and quite frankly we haven’t been that way for years under Sir Alex.....add to that i believe we had more 1-0 wins last season than any chelsea side managed under mourinhio ever accumulated...
Look at the Chelsea team of today…the spine of the side is made up of Mourinhio singings and players he played a great role in them becoming what they are today….Cech/Carvalho/Terry/Essien/Lampard/Drogba…..all either signed or bought on leaps and bounds under his management…
Well said, Alfy. People need to pull the wool from over their eyes. JM is a fantastic manager, young, experienced, has won everything, plays good football and of course can grow a pretty mean beard.
But Blanc won Ligue 1, so......
Youve been on fire in this thread Elvis....im developing a worrying crush....
Right thats me out for the night.................
I'd much rather see Laurent Blanc, a man who has broken the 7 year domination of the far wealthier and far more powerful OL, with a decent but unspectacular Bordeaux side. He's instilled a physical but attacking mentality and is proving Bordeaux's triumph last season was no fluke. They are well on their way to another Ligue 1 crown and are performing exceptionally well in Europe - comfortably qualifying ahead of Bayern and Juventus.
Steve Bruce would be another fine choice. He worked wonders at Wigan. Transforming a side, which in 2007, looked destined for relegation, to a comfortable mid table side. He's made some astute signings - the likes of Valencia, Palacios, Cattermole, Rodallega... The list goes on. At Sunderland, he's already having success, making more quality signings in Bent, Cana, and Turner, and getting the best from players such as Andy Reid, Craig Gordon, and Richardson. He's also not afraid to give youth a chance, which is one of Ferguson's most admirable and most rewarding traits.
Those who mention that one 04/05 season at Chelsea fail to acknowledge how drastically different his sides have been after that one season. He inherited that side, and his next years with Chelsea and Inter have had distinctly defensive win-grinding mentalities.
Why people want a man who has one League Titles with the help of match-fixing (Porto), or in one-horse races with far superior squads and resources than any competitors (Chelsea, Inter), over two men who have taken unfancied teams and achieved by playing football the right way and utilising youth... I don't know.
Steve Bruce would be another fine choice. He worked wonders at Wigan. Transforming a side, which in 2007, looked destined for relegation, to a comfortable mid table side. He's made some astute signings - the likes of Valencia, Palacios, Cattermole, Rodallega... The list goes on. At Sunderland, he's already having success, making more quality signings in Bent, Cana, and Turner, and getting the best from players such as Andy Reid, Craig Gordon, and Richardson. He's also not afraid to give youth a chance, which is one of Ferguson's most admirable and most rewarding traits.
Those who mention that one 04/05 season at Chelsea fail to acknowledge how drastically different his sides have been after that one season. He inherited that side, and his next years with Chelsea and Inter have had distinctly defensive win-grinding mentalities.
Why people want a man who has one League Titles with the help of match-fixing (Porto), or in one-horse races with far superior squads and resources than any competitors (Chelsea, Inter), over two men who have taken unfancied teams and achieved by playing football the right way and utilising youth... I don't know.
He he he, at a time when their squad was becoming considerably weaker. Mourinho came in and broke the 10 year stranglehold on the title between United and Arsenal. But oh wait! United were shit then, and Arsenal were a shadow of their former selves, despite having gone the previous season unbeaten. Mourinho's Chelsea were physical, mentally strong and were good to watch, particularly in 04/05, and aren't as bad as some like to make out. People also ignore the huge pressure Mourinho was under to succeed, Blanc doesn't have that.
I can't really argue with much of that. He's never managed a top top side though so it would obviously be a risk. He knows United well enough though, and if he was appointed I'd give him the benefit of the doubt.
His sides were never as boring as people liked to make out. People do that to diminish his accomplishments because he was successful, simple as. We were shite to watch last year for the most part, yet we still got lauded and were told it's ' what champions do '. You're all hypocrites.
That's so much bollocks in one paragraph I'm not even going to bother responding to it. Take off your rose-tinted spectacles.
You mean you can't really respond since his argument is quite good?
Bruce needs European experience before coming to a club like United. It's Mourinho's job if he wants it and comits to us, thats my take on it. United is the type of club that Mourinho would thrive at tbh. There is no other candidate who has that wealth of success and therefore he's a low risk choice which is something we'd need.
Smurf. If Blanc won the next two French titles, and got to a semi in the CL before Fergie retiries in two years, would you think he'd be up for the job?
Jose all da way
It's not good at all, though. Your squad in 04/05 was very good, and were doing well (Top of the league by a few points before we beat you, I think), it's not his fault that your teams have always been weak mentally. So it being a 'one horse race' is rubbish. Porto were guilty of match-fixing yes, but let's be honest, they'd have won it comfortably without match fixing as Mourinho had built a fine squad there, which had won the UEFA Cup and the UCL. Of course, people find ways to play down that achievement.
Our youth policy is over-played anyway, Evans was the last one to come through, before that Brown and O Shea.
Look at the Lyon team now and look at it 5 years ago, it's nowhere near the level it was. They have been on the decline for a while and it was inevitable another team would win it sooner rather than later.
Why is there no option for 'other' in the poll?
And feck me, I'm surprised so many of you have gone for Mourinho. The man's an utter bell piece who will jump ship at the first sign of trouble. Long term solution he is not.
And feck me, I'm surprised so many of you have gone for Mourinho. The man's an utter bell piece who will jump ship at the first sign of trouble. Long term solution he is not.
My gripe with Blanc at the moment is his lack of experience, and I've said that it all really depends on when Fergie leaves as to who the best option to replace him would be. I said earlier in the thread if Blanc continues his success over the next few years I'd be more open to him taking over from Fergie, but as of yet he is still too inexperienced, and still hasn't proven himself enough. He's won Ligue 1 and that's it.
If Glazer started signing players and brought in a Director of Footbal against Fergie's wishes, how long do you think he would stay for?
Yeah, I'm basing my Blanc bit on the opinion I think he'll win Ligue 1 this year, and hopefully do well in the champions league.
Probably not very long. Not that it would ever happen.
I was talking mainly about on the pitch trouble. I don't think Mourinho has the balls to stick around for 3 or 4 trophyless years if things don't go to plan, especially if the media start getting on his back. He could walk and leave us in the shit, and we could go the way of Liverpool...swapping the manager ever 4 or 5 years... getting nowhere. The only way the Mourinho appointment would work out in the long term is if he is immediately successful, in my opinion. If not, then we're back to square one when he walks.
That's all rubbish though and based on nothing. He left Porto because he had taken them as far as he could, he left Chelsea because of decisions being taken against his wishes (As you yourself said Fergie would have done the same), and he is still at Inter Milan.
I think you'll take the long view and appoint a manager who will last for 10-20 years. It's the proven way to go.
Who the feck voted for Alec McCleish? Come on own up !
If United really want him, I think Fergie would've had a word by now, and told him to keep his powder dry because the job will be there in a year or two.
You know that, do you?
Funny that the moment things started to look gloomy for Chelsea on the pitch was the moment he realised that he wanted to quit.
Not 100% no, but it's my guess as to why he left, not because his team drew with Rosenborg and got beat by Villa in fecking September.
From what I recall, Chelsea looked in an awful state at the start of that season. He knew they probably weren't going to win the league that year so he bottled it and decided to try his hat somewhere else. That's just as good a theory as the one you support.
Either way, he's unstable. His managerial record proves that. His ego is too fecking big and he lacks the character to stick it out for the long term, IMO.
You can't discount Abramovich's spasticity as not being a big factor in Mourinho leaving. His subsequent musical chairs with Chelsea managers suggests that there was too much interference.
They'd won 3 of their 5 PL games (including the Villa defeat), and they drew witjh Rosenborg in their opening CL fixture - hardly an 'awful state'.
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