Obviously there are areas of the team that need improvement, but that's the situation every season at every club. Fact is we have the best squad in the league so Moyes should be able to at least challenge for the title. Obviously if it doesn't happen for him this season we should be patient but that doesn't mean we should pretend he has some kind of impossible task on his hands. Any genuinely top manager coming into this club would feel pretty confident of achieving success, so if Moyes is indeed a top manager I'm sure he'll be holding himself to that standard as well.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Jamie (@Vault Dweller) are here to talk about United's dreadful home defeat at the hands of Big Ange's Tottenham Hotspur. Should this have been the end of Ten Hag? How long does he actually have left? And does Nik finally want ETH out?!
Totally agree man. If Moyes tries change things too much it could either way - tits up or improvements. Personally, i think we'll be alot more solid defensively - hopefully midfield will improve next seasonotoo & Carrick will have his load lightened so he can get amongst the play in the last third, he definitely has that ability in him imo..
Agreed.
Lets not forget that United, Chelsea and City will all have new managers. So whatever advantage these clubs would have had for catching United out with a new manager for a few games, has now gone. All 3 clubs will need to adjust to a new manager, and I think Moyes will do very well with this quality United side.
I think we will see a slightly more hard working midfield which is something we have wanted for years now. I will be very interested to see the signings he brings in. We don't need an overhaul at all, but the 2-3 additions he makes to strengthen areas will be interesting.
I suppose the funny thing is that in inherits such a good side, and yet, a side that has clear flaws that you'd expect him to improve (and still wonder how Sir Alex didn't). In terms of playing staff, it's the midfield, which affects performances. Within the performances, it's also the complete lack of consistency within a match and tendency to almost stop playing at times when we're a goal up.
Any Cole works on a few matchday MUTV programmes where they have fan phone-ins after games and the comments people call in to make are pretty much an extension of the Caf on matchdays. I'm pretty sure that's what he's basing his opinion on.
Vitriolic fans ranting, on occasion, after an ugly win against Southampton at home for example, or outrage that the wrong players started or got subbed off - in most games regardless of whether we won or not. Then there are the itimations that Fergie's decisions mean he is inept.
These were some of the feelings of fans this season when we had the best manager in the world winning the league at an absolute canter, but at times it still wasn't good enough. Moyes will probably be in for a rude awakening because SAF got criticism aplenty, and one can only assume Moyes will make mistakes on the way (to success hopefully). SAF has set the standards so high that Moyes will be judged by those same standards, because they've been the standards here for 20-odd years.
I'm not criticising fans opinions either, that's what forums and call-ins are for and I've personally had the odd moan about the midfield or subs at times this season. I just think the level of expectation is set so high here that Andy Cole might have a point. We criticised Fergie at times whilst 99.99% of us backed him implicitly. No doubt we will back Moyes too, but he won't be exempt from criticism or expectation to maintain the winning standard set by this club.
I think it's fairly obvious that he should be getting us to challenge from the first season given the squad we have. Especially given he'll get a chance to improve it with a few additions as well.
However, there's always a chance that he could take sometime to adjust as could the club in general, not only to him, but also to the lack of Sir Alex in charge. So I think as fans, while knowing he should be able to challenge with such a high quality team, we have to be prepared for things not going to plan immediently. We could well start the season poorly and not recover well enough to be at or near the top next season and I think whilst it would be a performance Moyes himself would be very disappointed by, I think as fans we should be willing to afford him that much patience.
However, there's always a chance that he could take sometime to adjust as could the club in general, not only to him, but also to the lack of Sir Alex in charge. So I think as fans, while knowing he should be able to challenge with such a high quality team, we have to be prepared for things not going to plan immediently. We could well start the season poorly and not recover well enough to be at or near the top next season and I think whilst it would be a performance Moyes himself would be very disappointed by, I think as fans we should be willing to afford him that much patience.
Good post.
I really cannot wait until the season starts. Not because I think Moyes will fail but this place will be spacktacularly fun when you have a few bad results and half the caf loses their minds.
So basically like if this was a Chelsea forum this season?
To be fair, a lot of the caf already lose their minds already over bad results anyway (and some good ones)... there will just be more of it now probably.
"She Canee take the strain Capt'n"
I'm just going to have to use Solius's getaway thread a lot more is all.
Exactly right. We shouldn't lower our standards but we should be more forgiving if those standards aren't met. I'm all for being patient and supporting Moyes but that doesn't mean we should pretend it's an epic struggle to get results with what is the best squad in the league.
I think the performances so far under Moyes have been a disgrace and we should get rid of him ASAP.
Agree with what most people have said. The squad we have at the minute is capable of winning any trophy we put our minds to - especially when you consider that we have a whole summer in front of us to make a couple of changes here and there. What I will say is that it will take time for Moyes to adapt European wise, but domestically, we are in as good a position as we have been in for a while, and although Chelsea and City will push us all the way, we are the best side in the country for me. Another Centre Mid would be ideal, but like I say, there is time to sort that out. The foundations are great, and Moyes couldn't really have a better project to work with.
It will take him time to adapt though, and as fans we are going to have to be patient, and that's something that needs to be stated from the off. This is the biggest job in world football for me - always has been - but taking over from Sir Alex will naturally add extra pressure to that. European wise it will take him time to adapt, and although he did a great job at Everton, Champions League football is a completely different proposition altogether, and tactically requires a completely different thought process. What I am saying is for fans to be patient with him, and give him time to get accustomed to the club, and to stamp his own mark in things first and foremost.
We are capable of winning the Premier League, and will go in as favourites I expect, but if it doesn't go to plan initially, lets give him, and the club, time.
It will take him time to adapt though, and as fans we are going to have to be patient, and that's something that needs to be stated from the off. This is the biggest job in world football for me - always has been - but taking over from Sir Alex will naturally add extra pressure to that. European wise it will take him time to adapt, and although he did a great job at Everton, Champions League football is a completely different proposition altogether, and tactically requires a completely different thought process. What I am saying is for fans to be patient with him, and give him time to get accustomed to the club, and to stamp his own mark in things first and foremost.
We are capable of winning the Premier League, and will go in as favourites I expect, but if it doesn't go to plan initially, lets give him, and the club, time.
Yeah! 0 ppoints.since he took over!
Technically he hasn't taken over yet. We're still under Fergie. Sack Fergie sell Scholes!
We are below Liverpool with no games. Burn him!
I'm beginning to think we signed Moyes because we couldn't afford better, same way I think we wont be able to afford any big transfers this summer, lets hope I'm wrong.
We've just won the league, were probably in a better financial situation we've been in since the leeches took over - yet that's never stopped us from spending big when the opportunities were there...so why would you think so now?
We'll do well to even end up mid table the way things are going.
We've just won the league, were probably in a better financial situation we've been in since the leeches took over - yet that's never stopped us from spending big when the opportunities were there...so why would you think so now?
Its just a hunch really.We obviously cant compete with clubs like City,PSG,Monaco,Real,Barca,Chelsea as far as spending goes, and why didnt any of those clubs brake the bank to sign Moyes? they all needed a new manager. Would you be worried if City had signed Moyes to replace Mancini? I wouldn't.
Were not signing the very best players out there cause we cant afford/compete for them, so maybe we couldn't afford the best manager either.Or maybe I'm talking bollocks, time will tell.
Well, with respect, I hope you're wrong. I'm hoping when SAF & Sir Bobby both said that Moyes' appointment was based on carrying on the traditions & ethos of our great football club - they weren't lying. There's absolutely no reason to doubt their decision & I'm quite happy that the long term goals & the values of the club was placed as a higher priority then short term success. (Here's hoping Moyes can deliver both!)
What do you know about the job offers Moyes has had over the years? Are you his agent?
Their absolutely spot on. Moyes has all the attributes needed to manage Manchester United. It will take time though, and as I say, we need to be patient both as fans, and as a club.
Absolutely. Patience is going to be key & SAF asked for as much on his final OT appearance. Im quietly optimistic about Moyes but let's see how it goes!
Like I said maybe I'm talking bollocks and I obviously hope I am, having said that I dont see why signing another manager would necessarily have to mean short term success why do we assume this.
No but I'm quite sure if a club like PSG for example was willing to brake the bank for him we would have known about it one way or the other.
So because PSG didn't try to sign Moyes, we should be unhappy
I'm just following up on my previous posts #1059 and #1062, I'm just posting my thoughts I guess, feeling a tad worried that's all.
I'm optimistic, and I think we have a right to be. I think we've got the best squad in the league, and are favourites to win the title. Even if we weren't, you can be sure that everyone of those players will consider finishing anywhere else but 1st to be a failure. Coaches might have left, but those players are winners, and will want to experience that feeling again. That's what winning trophies does - especially if it's your first as was the case for a couple of players last season, and that's what's great about this club. You enjoy the trophies when you get them, but straight away the focus is on defending that trophy. What we are, as a club, are long term planners. Everything is aimed towards the future, and keeping Manchester United in the position we are in, and that will suit Moyes. The club will give him time, and it's up to us as fans to do the same.
The likes of Giggs and Ferdinand have been around for a while, but as I say, our squad is full of winners, and Moyes couldn't wish to walk into a better organisation really. If he can command that respect, and if he makes the right decisions and develops that understanding, he'll do well.
So, I don't think there's much chance of him not signing a midfielder:
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If he signs a midfielder, he's won me over
Good reading. Thanks.
People used to laugh at the 'rent-a-quote' Rogers for opening his mouth too often at the start of his job at Liverpool. But I think it is important in a sense for fans/supporter to know more and get familiar with their new manager thoughts and ideas. It appeases the 'fear' of change, where someone you hardly 'know' will manage your club.
Obviously, Moyes should be more tactful about his interviews than Rodgers 'cliches'.
People used to laugh at the 'rent-a-quote' Rogers for opening his mouth too often at the start of his job at Liverpool. But I think it is important in a sense for fans/supporter to know more and get familiar with their new manager thoughts and ideas. It appeases the 'fear' of change, where someone you hardly 'know' will manage your club.
Obviously, Moyes should be more tactful about his interviews than Rodgers 'cliches'.
We literally have more money this summer than we have had in a long time. That's not speculation, it's fact.
Apparently since 2006 Everton's net spend under Moyes was a total of 2M. That's nuts when you consider they were top 7 every year. To put it in perspective Stoke spent 80M net in the same period, Sunderland 88m (same as United), Aston Villa 92M!!, Liverpool 124M!!!! Crazy to think what he has achieved there. A proper coach, no question about it.
Incidentally Chelsea and City's net spend is 233M and 427M respectively. Scary. Arsenal's -40M, kudos Wenger.
Incidentally Chelsea and City's net spend is 233M and 427M respectively. Scary. Arsenal's -40M, kudos Wenger.
We signed Moyes because he's an old school type of manager who believe in youths and discipline. He is also used to work on limited budgets and he wont feck off after 1-2 years. The former point would have probably gained SAF's approval while the latter two would probably gained the Glazer's and Charlton's approval.
Should imagine that we also thought he was a manager who wouldn't change too much. Fergie has worked hard for 26 years to build United into the club it is now and I'm sure he wouldn't recommend a manager who would come in and undo all the good work he has done. After all, where's the sense in knocking down a good, solid, well designed house just to build one of your own design that's of inferior quality and falls down after a few years.
Let's hope we've chosen well.
I think Moyes will be more inclined to make signings that Sir Alex was. Ferguson had a great understanding of the game and proffered to look at what he had rather than what he didn't, but I think Moyes will have a different approach in regards to recruitment. Initially anyway. We have some great young players comig through at the minute, and one of Ferguson's main strengths was bringing them through in to the first team, and that's something that needs to he continued. We do need a midfielder though without doubt, and it's the right decision without doubt. Wouldn't mind Fellaini personally, but I think Moyes has to much respect for Everton to go down that route.