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Keeps It tidy said:
Both of them did not really have a ton of first team experience for players their age. Malcom has played more career first team matches than they did pre United. And Real Madrid signed Varane during Mourinho's time there and Varane had one season of first team Football on a Ligue 1 team that was relegated.
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Bailey seems a very composed/mature character though for a 22 year old defender. But I just glanced through the stats and am surprised by how much first team football Malcom has already played. So you are correct. And he's got a decent number of goals for his young age as well.
 
Scholsey2004 said:
Not a fan of chong, he looks a bit basic but that's just an opinion, nothing quantifiable. Yeah there's some good kids at the moment. Sadly only a fraction of the ones you expect to break through actually do.
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Nah its his hair you dont like thats put you off him....you know with him being a kid and all and still developing as a player.
 
Eric Bailly didn't even make 50 senior appearances for Villarreal before getting a transfer to us (he was playing for Espanyol B team before that and Villarreal poached him). Despite being a promising talent he had little first team experience and we signed him after his first breakout season.

Malcom is close to 80 appearances for Bordeaux and had 50 for Corinthians. He's far more experienced than Bailly ever was.
 
Mourinho in general doesn't have a problem with young players, its youth players. As long as they have that initial experience and are established senior players at a different club then Mourinho has been willing to buy young players.
 
We're looking to upgrade in the final third, we have kids like Martial and Rashford already if you add Malcom we'll start to look more like Ajax than Manchester United, we need to buy someone that is an established star. Now we don't necessarily need to buy a pure right winger if there isn't a top notch right winger available, Tottenham often play Erickson or Dele on the right even Song spends time on the right none of them play as right wingers they simply occupy the space.

Most important thing is that we buy a top level player, Malcom is is still too young to be the so called answer imo, I just feel its too big of a risk cause if things don't work straight away the kid might loose all confidence (lot of pressure to perform week in week out at United if your going to be a starter) and we all know how that affects their ability to play the game. If he was bought as a back up then fine i'm all for the signing as there is less pressure on him and he'd have time to adapt develop and mature but to sign him as a starter would be a huge gamble.

I'd rather anyone these players not all are right wingers but can all occupy space on the right. Some are right forwards others more central players but still can set up on the right to keep a certain balance.

Griezmann
Erikson
Bale
Ozil(get him on a free play him as a 10 and still get someone to play on the right would be ideal)
Mahrez (If we can't get anyone of the 4 above)
 
Ramshock said:
Nah its his hair you dont like thats put you off him....you know with him being a kid and all and still developing as a player.
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No, I just think mason greenwoods a better version of the same type of player. The fact that he has a more sensible hairstyle is incidental.
 
I hope he ends ups at Spurs, not good enough for a club of our expectations.
 
MyOnlySolskjaer said:
Funny isn't it, bet people wouldn't have minded Martial going to Spurs early Summer 2015 for £20M either back then. Thankfully didn't happen.
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I don't get it. There are some players that do all the flashy stuff that make it in highlight reels but don't offer much over the 90min period. Then you have other players that work their ass off for 90mins and do the occasional special moment. They're both effective players, but the first one would get everyone drooling while the 2nd would be passed off as mediocre despite being far more effective and useful in the long run. It's why highlight reels are effectively useless.

Those videos that show all touches/moves by a player during a game is a much better judge of a players ability. Or simply downloading and watching a few games.
 
Adnan said:
I've watched him play in live games.
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Forgive me, but when you say something like this:

Adnan said:
From the little i've watched him, he isn't the type of winger we should be going for. There surely has to be better options.
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It makes me think you've not really watched enough of him. What games did you watch? This season or last season?
 
RedSky said:
Forgive me, but when you say something like this:



It makes me think you've not really watched enough of him. What games did you watch? This season or last season?
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I couldn't give two hoots to what you think. I watch the French and Dutch league quite abit and have been a follower of the young talents in them leagues for a number of years.

When Memphis was heavily linked to us I voiced my displeasure at the potential incoming. Perisic was linked to us last summer and I went against about 90% of the forum and wanted him here and gave my reasons for it.
 
Adnan said:
I couldn't give two hoots to what you think. I watch the French and Dutch league quite abit and have been a follower of the young talents in them leagues for a number of years.

When Memphis was heavily linked to us I voiced my displeasure at the potential incoming. Perisic was linked to us last summer and I went against about 90% of the forum and wanted him here and gave my reasons for it.
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Ahuh, just find it intriguing that you've decided on a players quality despite saying yourself that you've barely watched him play. Just found it a bit weird is all, it's a bit like watching a TV show and saying it's shit after watching only 2 episodes and not bothering with the other 100. But whatever, it's your opinion. We'll find out about Malcom soon enough as he'll be off by the next 2 windows.
 
RedSky said:
Ahuh, just find it intriguing that you've decided on a players quality despite saying yourself that you've barely watched him play. Just found it a bit weird is all, it's a bit like watching a TV show and saying it's shit after watching only 2 episodes and not bothering with the other 100. But whatever, it's your opinion. We'll find out about Malcom soon enough as he'll be off by the next 2 windows.
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I've seen more than enough of Malcom to form the opinion I have.
 
Adnan said:
I hope he ends ups at Spurs, not good enough for a club of our expectations.
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Poor mentality man. We used to be head over heels for the best talents, now we are willing to let them join our rivals. It's a pity how far we've changed. I'm disappointed.
 
Mcking said:
Poor mentality man. We used to be head over heels for the best talents, now we are willing to let them join our rivals. It's a pity how far we've changed. I'm disappointed.
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I don't consider Malcom as top class talent
 
Adnan said:
I don't consider Malcom as top class talent
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It's on you though, you believe what you want to believe. Malcom is pretty good and if he ends up tearing it up at Spurs while we are stuck with whatever player we sign, I wonder if you would lament your words. You probably wouldn't though. You shouldn't hope a player end up at a rival club, especially a young talent like Malcom.
 
Mcking said:
It's on you though, you believe what you want to believe. Malcom is pretty good and if he ends up tearing it up at Spurs while we are stuck with whatever player we sign, I wonder if you would lament your words. You probably wouldn't though. You shouldn't hope a player end up at a rival club, especially a young talent like Malcom.
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You're seriously over rating Malcom on here. He's a good player that has potential but his in-ability to use both feet would make us very predictable and to compensate for that you'd want him to have good pace which he doesn't have either. He's quick but nothing to trouble some of the quicker fullbacks in the EPL.

It would be silly investing so much money into someone who would constantly look to come onto his left foot which would make us even more predictable.
 
Adnan said:
You're seriously over rating Malcom on here. He's a good player that has potential but his in-ability to use both feet would make us very predictable and to compensate for that you'd want him to have good pace which he doesn't have either. He's quick but nothing to trouble some of the quicker fullbacks in the EPL.

It would be silly investing so much money into someone who would constantly look to come onto his left foot which would make us even more predictable.
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That is still no valid reason to hope he ends up at Spurs. Slower and more one-footed widemen than Malcom have made it in the EPL.
It's not all about being blistering fast and two footed, it's about being technically good and effective even if one-dimensional. Pulisic for example dribbles a lot, has all the pace and skills, but more often, the ball ends up at the feet of the opposition. It's okay if you think Malcom is not good enough for us, but hoping he ends up at Spurs is flat-out ignorant.
 
The problem with our attack is not predictability, it's players not being able to hold on to the ball in tight spaces imo. It makes players force the situation to wide positions and we can only cross from there. At least Malcom is tidy and technical in tight spaces, he won't be scared to go to the middle and try out combination plays, like the top 5 clubs in the world do. The players aren't crossing 100 times because of instructions, its the lack of technical ability in tight spaces from our players causing this. Rash, Martial and Libgard are long distance players.

The ball can go wide, but after the defense is shifted because of a combination play through the middle making the back line shift. Then, Martial is 1 on 1. Not double or triple teamed like today.
 
Mcking said:
That is still no valid reason to hope he ends up at Spurs. Slower and more one-footed widemen than Malcom have made it in the EPL.
It's not all about being blistering fast and two footed, it's about being technically good and effective even if one-dimensional. Pulisic for example dribbles a lot, has all the pace and skills, but more often, the ball ends up at the feet of the opposition. It's okay if you think Malcom is not good enough for us, but hoping he ends up at Spurs is flat-out ignorant.
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Making it in the EPL and playing for a club with our expectations 'and making it' is two different things.

If it's not Spurs, then I hope someone else comes in for him because quite frankly I don't believe he has the ability to be a asset for us on the RW. If you think that's me being ignorant then go look up the definition of the word.
 
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El Pasillo said:
What's the point to sign Malcolm since he's not Premier League proven?
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Ban said:
You're kidding, right?
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Keeps It tidy said:
I do not know if these posts are a joke anymore.
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I don't know why you guys react strongly for my previous post?

The 'Premier League proven' argument is always being used when it comes to players outside EPL.

Many, many users said "Lukaku > Morata" because the former is a safer bet as he's a EPL-proven striker.

That's just one recent example.

So why doesn't this logic apply to Malcom?
 
Finding it funny how posters are going off 1 vid saying hes very 1 footed... here's another which shows he isn't
 
Mcking said:
The clueless idiots think that any player that is left-footed is one-footed.
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Most people were talking about his crossing, he cuts back on his left most of the time for that, a video with a couple of right foot finishes has no bearing on it.
 
Devil may care said:
Most people were talking about his crossing, he cuts back on his left most of the time for that, a video with a couple of right foot finishes has no bearing on it.
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Almost every player have a stronger and preferred foot which they try to use as much as possible over their weaker foot. Inverted wingers who are not flat-out ambidextrous cuts in almost everytime - it has no effect on one's crossing ability. Albrighton for example, cuts in 99% of the time, but that does not stop him delivering great crosses every game.
 
Erictheking7 said:
Looks a very good prospect from what I've seen of him. However, rarely crosses the ball with his right foot and looks to cut inside 90% of the time. If we are looking for a winger to compliment Lukaku then I don't believe this is the guy.
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Like I said on the other thread, it doesn't matter if a winger is inverted or vertical. If he can cross the ball, then he sure can.
 
El Pasillo said:
I don't know why you guys react strongly for my previous post?

The 'Premier League proven' argument is always being used when it comes to players outside EPL.

Many, many users said "Lukaku > Morata" because the former is a safer bet as he's a EPL-proven striker.

That's just one recent example.

So why doesn't this logic apply to Malcom?
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Because it isn't logical in the first place. Quality's quality no matter which league it comes from. Would it be a plus to have PL experience? Sure. It doesn't mean we should avoid those who don't have it though
 
Erictheking7 said:
Looks a very good prospect from what I've seen of him. However, rarely crosses the ball with his right foot and looks to cut inside 90% of the time. If we are looking for a winger to compliment Lukaku then I don't believe this is the guy.
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Its what i said here before but someone bring some stats showing the contrary.
I think its not even that he can't cross, is more like his mentality is this; he is a cut and shoot winger.
 
Charles Miller said:
Its what i said here before but someone bring some stats showing the contrary.
I think its not even that he can't cross, is more like his mentality is this; he is a cut and shoot winger.
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which is Robben esque, if he becomes half the player Robben is/was I'd be very happy
 
Cheekiey said:
which is Robben esque, if he becomes half the player Robben is/was I'd be very happy
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Robben was a fantastic prospect since his Groningen days. He had electric pace which compensated for his over reliance on his left foot. Malcom isn't even close to a young Robben.
 
Adnan said:
Robben was a fantastic prospect since his Groningen days. He had electric pace which compensated for his over reliance on his left foot. Malcom isn't even close to a young Robben.
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not in a straight line, but first 10 yards Malcom is just as fast, hes not slow Malcom.
 
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