He isn't that great defending in space as shown vs Newcastle and for 3 at the back the left/right sided defenders need to be able to do that, I don't think he is physical enough either we need some size in the team
Unless Jim fancies injecting a few hundred million of his own money into the club, we need to be stuck with Maguire next season. We simply can't afford to replace him and strengthen all other positions
If it were just him, I would as well. But with us almost certainly losing Lindelof and Evans as well it does make sense to keep Maguire for at least another year. Otherwise we'd desperately need to be signing central defenders at a time that we really need to focus on other positions. Especially as all three of those players would be leaving on free and not providing any funds towards a replacement.I'd have happily let him walk for free.
I'd rather keep Evans over Lindelof even...I'd rather keep Maguire for another year than Lindelof, but we really should have renegotiated that final year on lower terms.
I'm sure Maguire and his agent would have played hardball, but he would never get a contract on more than £100k anywhere else and we could have saved more off the wage bill.
What a joke. It's just like Lindelof. Trigger the clause. Nobody wants to buy him in the summer. Then we are stuck with him next season.
Well, you’re right….unless of course you set up shell companies and pay the money through as some bullshit market-value sponsorship. Right City?With PSR, i dont think he can even do that. Or am I wrong?
As smart as that sounds, it is not. We have Yoro, De Ligt and Martinez starting for us. Maguire as first reserve, with Shaw and Mazraoui able to play there. You talk as if we'd need to have 6 good CBs because what?! We aren't playing for multiple trophies whatsoever so what point does it make to burn a year of wages for 32 year old, that isn't part of the first team. We'll also likely to bring in another CB of Amorims liking anyway so we have even more than the players I listed.People don't seem to understand that when the club is right up against the PSR limit and in desperate need to priorities other areas of the field, it is much better to extend a contract of a player (even one we may not want long term) than to have to replace him at the end of the season.
Especially as Lindelof and Evans will likely leave at the end of the season. Do United really want to be trying to replace 3 center backs when the squad needs players we don't currently have for Amorims system?
The centre back position needs a massive overhaul. Yoro is the one player you can have a bit of faith in, whilst De Ligt and Mazraoui look like ok options, but nothing special. Martinez appears to be a shadow of the player he was in his first season here.If it were just him, I would as well. But with us almost certainly losing Lindelof and Evans as well it does make sense to keep Maguire for at least another year. Otherwise we'd desperately need to be signing central defenders at a time that we really need to focus on other positions. Especially as all three of those players would be leaving on free and not providing any funds towards a replacement.
If we renew his deal it will be on better terms (for the club) and he has proven content with fighting for his place. We have a lot of solid CBs, people just need to be a bit more objective in assessing performances, and Yoro seems highly promising. We are well set in those positions relative to others - we literally have no WBs and are desperate for a CM to pair with Ugarte. That's not even getting into the attackers.The centre back position needs a massive overhaul. Yoro is the one player you can have a bit of faith in, whilst De Ligt and Mazraoui look like ok options, but nothing special. Martinez appears to be a shadow of the player he was in his first season here.
I believe we are actively choosing to keep a player in Maguire (who we know isn't good enough) because of numbers. That's a sad indictment. Really, we need to sign at minimum, two starting centre backs.
Christ, so instead of renegotiating, we've triggered the pre-existing option which would put his wages near 200k per week. No club was lining up to offer this guy anywhere near as much and we still didn't think it was a good idea to renegotiate? Great work INEOS. Time to fire a few more low paid members of staff though.
But I agree, we kind off have to keep Maguire, because we need to use money elsewhere and not on CB backup.
I'd rather keep Maguire for another year than Lindelof, but we really should have renegotiated that final year on lower terms.
I'm sure Maguire and his agent would have played hardball, but he would never get a contract on more than £100k anywhere else and we could have saved more off the wage bill.
Agreed, I think the club wants him to stay for another year and Maguire is happy to be extended for another year and stay rather than demand a new deal, win win for both, him, De Ligt, Martinez and Yoro will form the main group of CBs that can include Maz and Shaw who can play RCB & LCB respectively, the club needs to focus in finding the below as priority, a new LWB, CM, CAM, ST.This doesn't make any sense. We're triggering the contract extension because we want to keep him for next season. At no point was selling him an option, because he was out of contract at the end of this season.
It really is not. It just the next instance of United choosing the easiest way possible to get out of hairy (no pun intended) situation they brought themselves in by letting a situation emerge where 3 of 6 cbs were about to be gone in one summer. Hmm lets see, maybe we also can extend Eriksen or Casemiro, we don't want to be too disruptive. Especially given that this team created so much magic together that we have to go out of our way to preserve that positive energy.Renegotiation would been added years (presumably at least 3) and while it would be lower, I doubt it would be any more then a 25% reduction
Also remember, if he left on a free he could accept a much lower salary because he's pocketing the big signing on fee etc.
Triggering the extension is a no-brainer decision for the position we're in. It also didn't stop us negotiating a new, lower contract if that's the way we're wanting to go.
Yoro, I can get behind. De Ligt looks ok and Mazraoui (who is a right back) looks like a serviceable option as a centre half. It's far from great. Really, De Ligt and Mazraoui should be depth/backup options. Agreed that wing-back is a glaring hole right now. Amad is the only one who looks as if he can play the role. Mainoo is Ugarte's partner. Though depth/competition is required for both.If we renew his deal it will be on better terms (for the club) and he has proven content with fighting for his place. We have a lot of solid CBs, people just need to be a bit more objective in assessing performances, and Yoro seems highly promising. We are well set in those positions relative to others - we literally have no WBs and are desperate for a CM to pair with Ugarte. That's not even getting into the attackers.
There's no harm in Maguire staying and being a squad player, people need to stop going to extremes of him not being good enough or, there still seem to be some, who think he's great. He's a solid, if limited, PL level CB with a decent passing range.
As smart as that sounds, it is not. We have Yoro, De Ligt and Martinez starting for us. Maguire as first reserve, with Shaw and Mazraoui able to play there. You talk as if we'd need to have 6 good CBs because what?! We aren't playing for multiple trophies whatsoever so what point does it make to burn a year of wages for 32 year old, that isn't part of the first team. We'll also likely to bring in another CB of Amorims liking anyway so we have even more than the players I listed.
As I said, some of you are still applying logic that made sense when United was pushing at all Fronts, CL, Cups and League but those times are over for the immediate future. Feck me, there is talk about relegation out there right now but people think we should invest in our bench while there are multiple question marks around the 1st team.
Lets see what comes out of this deal, if it an extension of his former 190k per week deal, it is nothing but a bad decision.
It really is not. It just the next instance of United choosing the easiest way possible to get out of hairy (no pun intended) situation they brought themselves in by letting a situation emerge where 3 of 6 cbs were about to be gone in one summer. Hmm lets see, maybe we also can extend Eriksen or Casemiro, we don't want to be too disruptive. Especially given that this team created so much magic together that we have to go out of our way to preserve that positive energy.
Thank god fans are so reasonable. All it needs is one who semi-plausibly telling them there is no alternative and you can do whatever you want.
There is most likely one to come in the summer given that Amorim placed so much importance on them. That makes it 4 we have. Add Mazraoui to the mix who is probably more suited to that than to the WB role and given that he isn't going to get younger, it even is a natural progression. We won't get rid of Shaw, so even he is in the mix to step in. And in an emergency, Dalot could fill in as well. And all that is talk about a season where we most likely won't have European football but only the league and the cups to play in yet in both no major chance of getting anything.Okay so Lindelof, Evans and Maguire all leave in the summer... How do you propose we continue to play next season with 3 centre backs?
Okay so Lindelof, Evans and Maguire all leave in the summer... How do you propose we continue to play next season with 3 centre backs?
It's laughable whenever anyone mentions Shaw these days. What's the point of him? And why would we ever want Dalot to fill in as a cb? He's rubbish. It makes more sense keeping Maguire around for an extra season and focusing all resources on more pressing areas of the team, of which there are manyThere is most likely one to come in the summer given that Amorim placed so much importance on them. That makes it 4 we have. Add Mazraoui to the mix who is probably more suited to that than to the WB role and given that he isn't going to get younger, it even is a natural progression. We won't get rid of Shaw, so even he is in the mix to step in. And in an emergency, Dalot could fill in as well. And all that is talk about a season where we most likely won't have European football but only the league and the cups to play in yet in both no major chance of getting anything.
At the same time, we all know that the squad is burning. We have to bring in players to improve our starting eleven. Yet here we are, mostly being content with extending our 4th choice CB on 200k per week. It really is a no brainer I guess. Would explain a lot.
There is most likely one to come in the summer given that Amorim placed so much importance on them. That makes it 4 we have. Add Mazraoui to the mix who is probably more suited to that than to the WB role and given that he isn't going to get younger, it even is a natural progression. We won't get rid of Shaw, so even he is in the mix to step in. And in an emergency, Dalot could fill in as well. And all that is talk about a season where we most likely won't have European football but only the league and the cups to play in yet in both no major chance of getting anything.
At the same time, we all know that the squad is burning. We have to bring in players to improve our starting eleven. Yet here we are, mostly being content with extending our 4th choice CB on 200k per week. It really is a no brainer I guess. Would explain a lot.
You are right. But given that Maguire never really popped up in talks about it, I'd be shocked to find out that he emerged as a missing piece suddenly. Also even if, the guy is 32... Make of that what you want.Well, as smart as that sounds, you dont know Amorims plans and who he thinks is a better fit for his system.
Sure. Lets try him there for 200k per week while the others recent acquisition sit on the bench. Maybe they will become better players by watching fecking Harry Maguire.There may be case to be made for Maguire being a regular starter to play the Sebastian Coates role. He had no pace, but Amorim would use him as a quarter back to distribute the ball in behind the oppositions full backs. Maguire may be the best player to do this - he has a decent long pass on him and we has been doing it at times in the last few weeks. We saw it a lot in the first half V Wolves where he was looking to find Bruno who would peel to the left (i know, i was sitting behind the goal in the first half watching him do it).
Which makes it even more crazy to extend a big contract for him.Maguire essentially has zero market value. Martinez, Yoro, Maz and De Ligt do. It could well be that Martinez is sold this summer, because he has looked far more of a liability than Maguire. It may sound crazy to suggest selling Maz or Yoro, but we need to given that we need to strengthen so many areas of the squad and have so few assets that can be sold. Shaw - dont bring him up. He cant be counted on for much more than TikTok dances.
It isn't as if I am not able to see the rationale behind it. But I am questioning when the point in time comes where we actually act on "take on the pain", "make painful decisions" and "be ruthless". It was bad planning by the club to create a situation where we half the available CBs in one summer. But at some point we have to stop compounding bad decisions with other bad decisions. A year Maguire on 190k per weeks means 9,880,000 pounds. For a 32 year old CB who isn't and shouldn't even be first choice for us.It is not looking good now, but Europe is not out of the question.
With United playing three at the back, we should be set with Martinez, Yoro, Maz, De Ligt, Maguire and perma crocked Shaw next season. Take Maguire out of that and assuming Shaw cannot be relied on, you are suggesting having 4 CBs to cover 3 positions. That isnt enough.
Only United can bring in 2 centre backs in a summer for big fees then 6months later fans be talking about needing 2 more centre backs.
There is most likely one to come in the summer given that Amorim placed so much importance on them. That makes it 4 we have. Add Mazraoui to the mix who is probably more suited to that than to the WB role and given that he isn't going to get younger, it even is a natural progression. We won't get rid of Shaw, so even he is in the mix to step in. And in an emergency, Dalot could fill in as well. And all that is talk about a season where we most likely won't have European football but only the league and the cups to play in yet in both no major chance of getting anything.
At the same time, we all know that the squad is burning. We have to bring in players to improve our starting eleven. Yet here we are, mostly being content with extending our 4th choice CB on 200k per week. It really is a no brainer I guess. Would explain a lot.
You are right and if you go back, you will find me "protesting" against the Martinez transfer as well. But again, we made the decision, we invested and now we should try to bring the best out of him. I am not a fan of Martinez and if we find somebody willing to pay for him, I'd gladly let him go. But that doesn't have anything to do with Maguire. This was the natural time to end this chapter of overpaying for average players. And out of fear we delayed it once again. Whats next, let him have a half decent 6-month spell and you'll find people on here hoping to give him a new contract in no time.Shaw is almost certainly finished at the top level and in no way should Martinez be in the side over Maguire. Martinez is just as slow as Harry but you can also add in that he lacks physicality, awareness and frankly size, he has been in poor form since he returned from his injury and we have reached the point after 18 months where we have to admit he is just never going to be the player we thought he was in that first ETH season.
You can't really form an opinion on De Ligt after so little time though, I have specific criticism of him but he's still a good CB. Most of our back line to be honest often get a raw deal, minimal protection, so real ability with the WBs to stop crosses coming in, no assists from the WBs to alleviate the issues either. We literally saw the issues magically vanish once Zirkzee went off and Eriksen was pushed to 10 last game. If Onana isn't getting scapegoated, it's Martinez, if not it's Maguire, Varane had periods of being diabolically bad, Lindelof was declared useless, Smalling couldn't pass etc. etc.Yoro, I can get behind. De Ligt looks ok and Mazraoui (who is a right back) looks like a serviceable option as a centre half. It's far from great. Really, De Ligt and Mazraoui should be depth/backup options. Agreed that wing-back is a glaring hole right now. Amad is the only one who looks as if he can play the role. Mainoo is Ugarte's partner. Though depth/competition is required for both.
I'm just not a fan of extending contracts for players who aren't good enough.
We are talking about the backups ffs. Again - you act as if we'd be ready for a serious push for titles. I don't know if you missed the last few games, it doesn't look like we are there yet. And having Maguire or not is not going to change that.Sorry, but any plan that relies on Luke Shaw staying fit shouldn't be considered as a serious plan.
And the idea of Dalot at Centre-back makes me long for the days of Marcos Rojo.
Maguire essentially has zero market value. Martinez, Yoro, Maz and De Ligt do. It could well be that Martinez is sold this summer, because he has looked far more of a liability than Maguire. It may sound crazy to suggest selling Maz or Yoro, but we need to given that we need to strengthen so many areas of the squad and have so few assets that can be sold. Shaw - dont bring him up. He cant be counted on for much more than TikTok dances.
Except the cost of an equivalent replacement would be high, let alone the cost of an equivalent with pace, that everyone wants of course, which would be very high.Which makes it even more crazy to extend a big contract for him.
We are talking about the backups ffs. Again - you act as if we'd be ready for a serious push for titles. I don't know if you missed the last few games, it doesn't look like we are there yet. And having Maguire or not is not going to change that.
We are talking about the backups ffs. Again - you act as if we'd be ready for a serious push for titles. I don't know if you missed the last few games, it doesn't look like we are there yet. And having Maguire or not is not going to change that.
If getting a pump off of Wolves and then following it up with a pumping off Newcastle wasn’t bad enough and if Amorim’s relentless defence of his awful football and nonexistent tactics wasn’t a fly on top of the dog turd that has become this club, we add some glitter to that and extend Harry Maguire for another year.
Sigh. How depressing.
