Maguire | he stays!

Ikon said:
I wonder how ex-professionals view the comment "I'll stay and fight for my place" knowing that its really just a euphemism, for "Im happy to sit on my arse and take the £200k per week"
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If you were Maguire, do you think you might also harbour hatred towards the club you might perceive as ruining your life and reputation? Hypothetically, of course.

I think footballers become cynics at some point in their careers, and from there, a lot fall out of love for the game (or the fallout) and seek the greatest amount of post-career security they can generate. Maguire is also 100% guaranteed his England place under Southgate, which is the only haven he has left in the game at the moment.

Maguire will have to be paid up to leave otherwise he’s going nowhere, imo.
 
Fortitude said:
If you were Maguire, do you think you might also harbour hatred towards the club you might perceive as ruining your life and reputation? Hypothetically, of course.

I think footballers become cynics at some point in their careers, and from there, a lot fall out of love for the game (or the fallout) and seek the greatest amount of post-career security they can generate. Maguire is also 100% guaranteed his England place under Southgate, which is the only haven he has left in the game at the moment.

Maguire will have to be paid up to leave otherwise he’s going nowhere, imo.
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I really hope Al Havya will come in with a cheeky bid for Harry.
 
dannyrhinos89 said:
what did rice used to be on weekly? Surely he was one of your top earners. If you’ve got him off your books now paying maguire might not be such an issue.
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60k I believe, not much.
We offered 200k for him to stay but he refused it.

We could theoretically afford him at his wages, but we aren't going to break our structure for Maguire, and I don't think any lower prem club will either.
 
He just needs to look for a team that suits his style of play. He is not a bad player at all. He is one of the key players in England team. You can't be a bad player if you're one of the best players in England team that reach Euro Final and World Cup QF.

Maguire is superb defensively if the team don't play high line. Even last season he was bring on to defend deep to hold our lead and he has done very well. He can be one of the best, if not the best CB in Italy.
 
Koldbeer2021 said:
60k I believe, not much.
We offered 200k for him to stay but he refused it.

We could theoretically afford him at his wages, but we aren't going to break our structure for Maguire, and I don't think any lower prem club will either.
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I thought rice would be on way higher than 60k tbh, nevermind lower prem teams there isn't anyone that's going to offer maguire that sort of figure. Our only hope is Newcastle but they don't need him.
 
dannyrhinos89 said:
I thought rice would be on way higher than 60k tbh, nevermind lower prem teams there isn't anyone that's going to offer maguire that sort of figure. Our only hope is Newcastle but they don't need him.
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It's from a contract signed 3 years ago, and to be fair is definately on the lower end even back then giving his potential even back then.

As I said before, for the right team he would be good still I'm sure, you can see it from his England performances, however I dont think there is any club offering those wages, and is it worth Man Utd shelling out the thick end of 50-100k a week in wage subsidies to be rid of him?

Probably not I'd guess.
 
Maguire is on around £190k a year and I’d imagine there are a few PL clubs would happily pay an English first choice CB for £130-£150k wages plus £35-40m fee. We would be looking to pay around £9m (3 years remainder of his contract) to Maguire for the difference in wages, this should be easily achievable assuming Maguire wants to leave.
 
TsuWave said:
Legitimately thought he’d have garnered more interest. Starting to feel bad for him.
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I thought that as well. Guess his wages are a major stumbling block. I do hope West Ham will be in for him when they finally sell Rice to Arsenal as they seem like a club that would be in for him.
 
-Supreme- said:
Maguire is on around £190k a year and I’d imagine there are a few PL clubs would happily pay an English first choice CB for £130-£150k wages plus £35-40m fee. We would be looking to pay around £9m (3 years remainder of his contract) to Maguire for the difference in wages, this should be easily achievable assuming Maguire wants to leave.
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If a club is willing to pay him at that level and offer say a four year deal, he would be mad to turn it down rather than seeing out the last two years on his United contract. He could potentially find his level again, continue to be an England starter and he has the security of a four year deal.

And in that scenario there should be no need of United compensating his departure.

If he sees out his current contract and rots on the bench it is potentially career over.

Hopefully Harry or his advisors see sense and he heads for new pastures.
 
-Supreme- said:
Maguire is on around £190k a year and I’d imagine there are a few PL clubs would happily pay an English first choice CB for £130-£150k wages plus £35-40m fee. We would be looking to pay around £9m (3 years remainder of his contract) to Maguire for the difference in wages, this should be easily achievable assuming Maguire wants to leave.
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Which clubs, specifically, do you think would pay £130-£150k AND pay a £35-40m fee? Can't see it myself. The clubs with that sort of money can do better than a 30 year old Maguire.
 
Borussia Teeth said:
Which clubs, specifically, do you think would pay £130-£150k AND pay a £35-40m fee? Can't see it myself. The clubs with that sort of money can do better than a 30 year old Maguire.
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I’d say West Ham, Everton and Spurs. West Ham for example, paid £25m for Zouma who is 2 years younger and reported on around £120k I think the real challenge is for Maguire accepting a move to a mid-table club.
 
Just accept a lower transfer fee so the purchasing club can afford his wages.

The signing fee for Maguire is now a sunk cost - let's look forward.
 
-Supreme- said:
I’d say West Ham, Everton and Spurs. West Ham for example, paid £25m for Zouma who is 2 years younger and reported on around £120k I think the real challenge is for Maguire accepting a move to a mid-table club.
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Thanks for the reply. I still disagree with you: Zouma was 26 when he was signed, quite a big difference to 30 in football terms. Everton have ffp issues so that's a no go. Also, seriously doubt Spurs (Levy) would cough up that kind of fee for a player with no re-sale value.

If we manage to get rid of him it will be for about £20m.
 
What’s bizarre about this thread is how many believe smaller clubs have a desire to pay a fee and huge wages for Maguire. Literally megastar wages for these clubs, for a player who is coming to them in a state of utter disrepair and humiliation, low on confidence and shaky in his game. It would make sense if he’d simply wanted to leave after having a good/decent season, but it’s been a calamity for him. The optics aren’t great are they?

There’s a vid of a Spurs fan losing his mind (to the negative) at the notion of Maguire being signed; I can’t imagine the reaction improves at other clubs in the top 10, bearing in mind the outlay relative to their standing. They would surely all want a player on the up or who has been outstanding to come in and be their highest paid player, just as we would.
 
Jacob said:
Just accept a lower transfer fee so the purchasing club can afford his wages.

The signing fee for Maguire is now a sunk cost - let's look forward.
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If the club would accept for example £15-20m I think a club could afford to pay him an extra £4-5m per year for 3 years (on top of say £100k per week). That might even be favourable to Maguire because he could end up with a four year contract; rather than being released at 32 with hardly any first team football in 3 years.

The issue is I'm guessing his book value is £26.7m (80 * 2/6ths) which means from an FFP point of view that would be a large loss which could impact other signings.

The other option is subsiding his wages to the tune of £12-15m and getting a £30m fee; however despite the small FFP profit this year we'd be burdened for the next 2 years.

I'd guess the most favourable option (excluding a Saudi bid) would be a 12 month loan with no fee but covering the vast majority of his wages; and then to sell him next year when a) he'll only have a year left on his contract (meaning a longer term contract on a lower salary will be more attractive to him than the insecurity of a 1 year deal); b) he'll hopefully have played in a system more suited to his skillset and shown an improvement for a year; and c) from an FFP point of view even a £15m sale with no wage subsidy would represent a profit and it would come with no future salary burden.
 
BorisManUtd said:
I thought that as well. Guess his wages are a major stumbling block. I do hope West Ham will be in for him when they finally sell Rice to Arsenal as they seem like a club that would be in for him.
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He is a perfect Moyes player or even Palace. Doubt anyone else will have huge interest.

Forest definitely has some money but I doubt he would be interested.
 
bond19821982 said:
He is a perfect Moyes player or even Palace. Doubt anyone else will have huge interest.

Forest definitely has some money but I doubt he would be interested.
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I do think Moyes could work well with hum, he made Dawson into a legitimately solid defender, I don't doubt he could do the same with Maguire.

However west ham will absolutely not break the wage structure for him (he isn't that vital a buy unlike a solid DM this year) and I can see at most maybe 20-25 million based on age, not getting into the side. He is basically a squad player these days, and an aging one at that in the grand scheme of things who is clearly not wanted at utd right now
 
El Zoido said:
Not really, we can’t afford to be paying someone so much to be 5th choice. And he’s still the captain, which doesn’t look like it’ll change. Perhaps if ETH takes the armband off him and gives it to Bruno, he’ll take the hint. Though if history is anything to go by he’ll issue a statement saying he’ll fight to win the captaincy back.
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That's the bulldog spirit!
Fair play to Harry.
 
finneh said:
If the club would accept for example £15-20m I think a club could afford to pay him an extra £4-5m per year for 3 years (on top of say £100k per week). That might even be favourable to Maguire because he could end up with a four year contract; rather than being released at 32 with hardly any first team football in 3 years.

The issue is I'm guessing his book value is £26.7m (80 * 2/6ths) which means from an FFP point of view that would be a large loss which could impact other signings.

The other option is subsiding his wages to the tune of £12-15m and getting a £30m fee; however despite the small FFP profit this year we'd be burdened for the next 2 years.

I'd guess the most favourable option (excluding a Saudi bid) would be a 12 month loan with no fee but covering the vast majority of his wages; and then to sell him next year when a) he'll only have a year left on his contract (meaning a longer term contract on a lower salary will be more attractive to him than the insecurity of a 1 year deal); b) he'll hopefully have played in a system more suited to his skillset and shown an improvement for a year; and c) from an FFP point of view even a £15m sale with no wage subsidy would represent a profit and it would come with no future salary burden.
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I think selling him for 30m and then covering 60k of his 180k would be fair for the next 2 years. Westham bought Zouma for around the same amount and they pay him 120k if I am not wrong. Maguire expects to be paid 180k for the next 2 years we make that happen.
 
No manager wants the mantle of "the man who bought Maguire" in the face of all the memes and ridicule at his hapless performances for United.

His only option is to go overseas and re-find his mojo playing for a defensive manager who plays defending the penalty area and gives him lots of defensive midfielders for further protection.

The only manager who has the ego enough to take on the challenge would be the "translator" at Roma. Failing that it's the very minor leagues or the saudis who will take him on.

Maguire has such an ego he is probably holding out that the EtH era hits a rocky patch and we go for a BRITISH manager as a reaction.

He won't leave unless we cram his mouth with gold.
 
Fortitude said:
If you were Maguire, do you think you might also harbour hatred towards the club you might perceive as ruining your life and reputation? Hypothetically, of course.

I think footballers become cynics at some point in their careers, and from there, a lot fall out of love for the game (or the fallout) and seek the greatest amount of post-career security they can generate. Maguire is also 100% guaranteed his England place under Southgate, which is the only haven he has left in the game at the moment.

Maguire will have to be paid up to leave otherwise he’s going nowhere, imo.
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It's all hypothetical, of course, but if I were Maguire, at 30 years old, I'd just want to be playing football, 90 minutes every week.
Footballing careers are pretty short lived, and once it's over, there's never any going back to it.
So, whether I'm on £100k, £200k or even £300k per week should all be academic, fact is, I'd be a multi-millionaire anyway, more than set for the rest of my days.

Falling to 5th choice, I'd be having a showdown with the manager and my transfer request would be going in.
That's from my perspective as a fan though, whether Maguire is just all about the money, we shall see what he does next, what's more important to him, football or money..??
 
buchansleftleg said:
No manager wants the mantle of "the man who bought Maguire" in the face of all the memes and ridicule at his hapless performances for United.

His only option is to go overseas and re-find his mojo playing for a defensive manager who plays defending the penalty area and gives him lots of defensive midfielders for further protection.

The only manager who has the ego enough to take on the challenge would be the "translator" at Roma. Failing that it's the very minor leagues or the saudis who will take him on.

Maguire has such an ego he is probably holding out that the EtH era hits a rocky patch and we go for a BRITISH manager as a reaction.

He won't leave unless we cram his mouth with gold.
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You said no manager wants him but then said British ones would keep him if they came to United. Contradiction?
 
Ikon said:
It's all hypothetical, of course, but if I were Maguire, at 30 years old, I'd just want to be playing football, 90 minutes every week.
Footballing careers are pretty short lived, and once it's over, there's never any going back to it.
So, whether I'm on £100k, £200k or even £300k per week should all be academic, fact is, I'd be a multi-millionaire anyway, more than set for the rest of my days.

Falling to 5th choice, I'd be having a showdown with the manager and my transfer request would be going in.
That's from my perspective as a fan though, whether Maguire is just all about the money, we shall see what he does next, what's more important to him, football or money..??
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I feel as though there's a sizeable disconnect between the generic working man - which most of us are - and the realities faced by those earning the kind of wages Maguire is. He's surely not thinking: 'I've made a stack and that's good enough for me!'; it's going to be more like: 'I don't have much time left maximising my earnings and managing the upkeep of my lifestyle and that of those around me, as well as my offspring's wellbeing and potentially their offspring, too!' Not so long-winded, but the general gist must surely be to secure as much money as possible, or maybe have that magic number a lot of humans have where they feel able to relax and no longer worry about money. It's all relative and by phrasing it as you have, you've juxtaposed your reality and what would satisfy you, in it, with that of someone whose financials probably have to do a lot more than yours as it's very common for sports folk from common backgrounds to support a whole surfeit of friends and family - even Floyd told his entourage once he stops earning stupid amounts they will have to find their feet as he won't be supporting their lifestyle any longer, and he's on multiples of most footballers (with a relative lifestyle bump to match, perhaps in keeping with yours to Maguire's, who knows?).

Anyway, it's a very common theme in football that the last one or two contracts are the big ones, where players are at their earning apex, and it's evident that unless a Middle Eastern club come in for Maguire, he's already on his biggest career contract and won't have it matched or bettered anywhere else. At his age, and with his meme'd standing in the game, it's prudent to stay where he is or be bought out of his contract to leave (win, win for him) or have it partially subsidised. Like Frenkie and his contract, the player will stay even if not wanted because it's the best thing for their wallet and future. I personally think players become more jaded as they age rather than just eager to play - it becomes a job for a lot of them and not the joy and exciting pursuit it was and they'll then make the decisions that fill the coffers the most even in lieu of playing time or betterment. They're no different to us, just that their careers are ridiculously condensed and we often tend to not take things on from their perspective because we look at it from our own - where we'd be happy with a fraction of what they earn and have far more romantic notions about money than those who are raised in that bracket and have aspirations of accruing as much as they can in their field as the collective we do in ours.

I'll add to this that along with that cynicism comes [lack of] appetite for the game. Does Maguire have enough left in the tank to go again and prove himself or dispel the regard he's held in? Can he be arsed? He gets slammed from pillar to post for being so bad for us, mentally that's had to have taken its toll, no matter the front or stupid words that come out of his mouth. I've said myself, many times, that for his own good he should go, but that's from my perspective of him rebuilding his career and reestablishing himself. If he doesn't fancy doing that, it's yet another factor to consider in why he'd rather stay being 5th choice or whatever over having to uproot his family and grind - and possibly fail - elsewhere. Just saying; there's a lot more to this than we know, probably, and we mightn't see what he'd do if we offered to pay him up, because it's not something I think we'll do under the Glazers.
 
I have a random baseless feeling that a big club that we aren't expecting to be in for him this summer will bid for him. Someone like Chelsea, Bayern, PSG..

I think he's genuinely a good player who just isn't a United player and can't handle the pressure and scrutiny of being at the most talked about club in the World.
 
Nah, apart from to some United supporters his market value is very low at the moment, and everyone knows it. He's aging, in the midst of a crisis of confidence, and has been shaky if not outright calamitous far too often when he's actually played. I think a transfer fee is absolutely out of the question, and United will also have to subsidise a significant part of his wages, and even under those circumstances I struggle to see what sort of club would be in for him. Saudi Arabia is probably the only feasible solution that would not be an unmitigated financial disaster for United.
 
flappyjay said:
I think selling him for 30m and then covering 60k of his 180k would be fair for the next 2 years. Westham bought Zouma for around the same amount and they pay him 120k if I am not wrong. Maguire expects to be paid 180k for the next 2 years we make that happen.
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Zouma was 26 and in great form when he signed for West Ham. Maguire is 30 and in poor form. That's before even considering the fact that West Ham could sell Zouma this year as a 28 year old and recoup the majority of the fee they paid. Maguire two years after signing would be valueless.

That's when comparing one of the highest paid centre backs outside of the PL historic top 5. Someone like Mings was bought for £20m and earns £80k a week with resale value as a 26 year old. Tarkowski was available for free on an inflated but still much lower £100k per week. Botman is another example who's earning around £90k and cost just over £30m, but at 22 has potential and has a resale value; plus the fact that they'll get several years service for the fee (rather than 3 years max).

I think a £30m fee and no subsidy would have been be doable in 2021, maybe a similar fee with a £60k subsidy would have been doable in 2022. In 2023 it's going to need to be a much larger subsidy to get £30m (e.g. 50%)
 
His agents must be talking to some clubs to find a solution for Harry for next season - I really don’t think he believes he can go another season making the odd token appearance especially with the Euro’s next year.

My guess is that he will have to go out on loan with us supplementing partial wages, can’t see a big enough team paying outright for him. This will probably be late on in the window.
 
cafecillos said:
Saudi Arabia is probably the only feasible solution that would not be an unmitigated financial disaster for United.
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Tbh I'd doubt if even them would actually want him. They sign players not because of football reasons but rather marketing ones. What's Maguire famous for? Being a meme and give neutral fans good laughs?
 
Think he will stay and be the RCB option when Varane is injured.
Sounds like he is good to have around in training and will keep his England spot until a better option comes along.
Big Willy may even step up this season and get gametime there as well so we have good cover at the back.
 
Strelok said:
Tbh I'd doubt if even them would actually want him. They sign players not because of football reasons but rather marketing ones. What's Maguire famous for? Being a meme and give neutral fans good laughs?
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I dont think Neves is really marketable for example.
 
TsuWave said:
Legitimately thought he’d have garnered more interest. Starting to feel bad for him.
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This is exactly how I thought it would go. Not good enough for the top tier clubs. Too expensive for the low tier clubs. Possibly affordable to an extent, but likely not value for money relative to other players, for the mid tier clubs.

I have no idea why chunks of our fanbase have convinced themselves that clubs would be interested in him at the wages he would command based on his England performances, when they see his club level performances weekly.
 
Fortitude said:
I feel as though there's a sizeable disconnect between the generic working man - which most of us are - and the realities faced by those earning the kind of wages Maguire is. He's surely not thinking: 'I've made a stack and that's good enough for me!'; it's going to be more like: 'I don't have much time left maximising my earnings and managing the upkeep of my lifestyle and that of those around me, as well as my offspring's wellbeing and potentially their offspring, too!' .
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This is it, lots of people can't comprehend the sums of money involved and think 100k a week is basically the same as 250k a week, but once you're on 250k a week it's a big drop. It's a short career and lots of ex-professional footballers are driving taxis. If it takes sitting on the bench for a year to earn an extra 7m pounds, almost all of them will do it, and be right to. I think he'd say he's fulfilled his ambitions in the game.
 
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