I think he will have an issue playing for England if he’s not playing regularly even with the Southgate bias. You will have Guehi, Colwill, Tomori and Dunk all playing regularly. Then again I wouldn’t put anything past Southgate.
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I think he will have an issue playing for England if he’s not playing regularly even with the Southgate bias. You will have Guehi, Colwill, Tomori and Dunk all playing regularly. Then again I wouldn’t put anything past Southgate.
See my revised post above - my original calcs were wrong
But yes, for FFP/FSR purposes, it's all player spending. Fee amortization, bonuses, wages, etc.
You are not allowed to talk sense on this topic as you are heavily outnumbered
Interesting, I wasn't aware of that.
So in theory, Maguire's £26m book value and (worst case scenario, assuming Custis isn't a complete lying fat cnut) £15m pay off would still be recorded as a net profit of £9m as we'd be fecking off his £20m wages over two seasons and receiving a transfer fee of £30m from West Ham? It doesn't seem right, we'd surely be mental not to pay him off now?
Fixed it for you.
Not really owed per se since he hasn't yet earned it. That's why is negotiated. By the way why don't these contracts just have clear separation clauses to avoid much ado.
Oh well might as well keep him then. Let him warm the bench.
Of course it is your right. It just makes you a hypocrite
His contract will be terminated and he’ll get his 15m
Exactly. You have to remember his book value is going away regardless. Either we write it down all at once by selling him, or it amortizes away (13m this year, 13m next).
Nice thread title change 
He’ll be sold and we’ll pay him too is what I meant
He was crap under plenty of Ole, hence the debate about players being undroppable. Shifting the goalposts saying it all unravelled under Rangnick is laughable
Booing a player makes someone a hypocrite?
Sure, if you say so, it must be so. I mean we already established your opinion is the only right one.
Only if we can find a backup.
I think we already had, but we wanted the Maguire fee to cover if and so did want to pay him (rightly so)
I think we’ll give in later in the window and fork out more money like last summer.
If his contract is terminated then we don't get a transfer fee so that makes zero sense
Good to at least know we’ll be doing everything we can to, at worst not see him sub in again, at best end this charade of a tenure.
How I wish we could go back to when West Ham offered that deal package.
I think that for the purposes of this season though we would only be looking at 1 years salary saved so back to 30M fee plus 10M wages saved in this years accounts offset by the 26M amoritization hit leaves a positive balance of 14M. If we payoff Harry that comes out of the 14M so anywhere from 7M to 15M depending on who you believe and that is in essence what is killing any chance of a deal.
The Glazers are clearly not willing to sanction any more spending this summer that is not paid for by sales. Presumably a 14M profit on Harry is enough as we can spread the cost of his replacement through amoritization and that is why we said yes to 30M. The request for a payoff though will not leave enough of a positive balance on the trade for us to bring in a replacement so if we pay Harry off we are down to 3 senior CBs plus Shaw.
You also need to account for the fact that if he stays we also amortize 13m of his transfer fee this year, an additional expense on the books.
I’m hoping ETH doesn’t pick Maguire for the remaining games of the transfer window so Maguire sees it’s either he moves on or he spends the season in the reserves thus meaning he’s pretty much certain to lose his England place, either Maguire doesn’t want to leave because he’s money orientated or he has a serious inability to read the room.
Huh? Then why was Maguire in the matchday squad? Keep naming him to squads and of course he's going to think he can fight for his place.
He should give up guaranteed money b/c the fans are being mean to him? I know I sure wouldn't.
That's called a non-guaranteed contract and no player would sign that when they can get a guaranteed one.
Jac Talbot from transfersdotcom would know.
I don't even know what that means. I think you are barking up the wrong tree. My issue is him wanting far more overall (pay off + new contract) while getting huge cash upfront. What has he given up in that case? Instead he is looking to gain massively. So the options are fleece the club or stay and stink up the place. I guess we are going with the latter. So be it.
Release clauses exist for player to exit. So I was wondering if there any win win clause that allows the club to exit without one party necessarily being the big winner (as harry would be in this case if his demands are met). Does this exist anywhere.
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Why wouldn’t he? Entire Caf knows it just the same, it’s blatantly obvious for those who watch United
First Bolded: How do you know you figure he wants more money overall?
Second Bolded: I already told you. It's called a non-guaranteed contract.
No one knows anything more than reports. If 15m being reported is true then I hold the position I have made. So it's a more of an academic/hypothetical discussion than a factual one. Eventually the facts will come out.
It doesn't matter whether it is £7m or £15m as the negotiation broke down in the end. May be £15m was the figure used by Maguire's party in the initial phase of negotiation, who knows? In the end both parties failed to make a deal. The quoted figures are all rumors anyway.
There is no smoke without fire. Even if exact figures are incorrect, it doesn’t change much - the principle is the same.
Jac Talbot knows everything
This math doesn't include the loyalty bonus, and assume he will rot in reserve and play sparely in the next 2 seasons. Again I am surprised by this as it makes so much sense for both parties to make this deal happen.
Let’s not change history.
Rojo’s interview where he said he went to speak to Ole because Maguire was always making mistakes but still starting and and he felt he deserved a start only to be told by Ole “we paid a lot for him so he has to play”
Yes I mentioned the playing time assumption in the original post. If we're weighing up a replacement, any associated costs will also have to be factored in.
Loyalty bonus, from what I've heard, is included in the 7-15m payoff figures that have been thrown around.
There is still 2 weeks left in the window. In my opinion Man Utd is lucky to have West Ham interested in his service as it is probably not a very good investment for them to bring in a 30 year old CB with no resale value.
I think he was set to leave but Bayern's demands for Pavard threw a spanner in the works resulting in us recognising that whatever we would end up getting from West Ham for Harry wouldn't pay for his replacement given that we also want more signings. ETH's 'leave if you aren't confident of fighting for a place' sort of emboldened Maguire, gave him belief that there was a chance and he upped his demands.
This way he can face his critics and say the manager wants me and I want to fight for my place, I am one of the leaders, longest serving Captain since Rooney. ETH will always maintain that Maguire is a valued first team player, he is one of us and remains committed to fight for his place. One or two good performances and the negativity will die down, we see through the season and review the issue next summer.
This argument doesn't quite stand as he will rot in reserve, not allow to enter training facility, and never wear Man Utd jersey in the field again if he stays according to redcafe. You don't need to replace someone who will never play.
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First post here, extended from what I wrote in the newbie forum...
Gosh, Harry Maguire, where to start? I'm not wild about him - he's not a terrible player (really, he's not) but he was a terrible signing. He's a textbook example of the hype that too often surrounds England (E-N-G-E-R-L-A-N-D?). Hype fuelled by the usual suspects in the tabloid media. Like The Sun. Honestly, savvy recruiters should always have red flags on newbie, now 'world class', England players. All the more as, outside of tournament end stages, international games are low-grade.
Harry was the exception to the Tarkowskis, the Dan Burns and the Ben Mee types - for the record, all pretty decent players - because he got picked, stayed put and scored headers, all at a time when England got better and became likeable. Unfortunately for us, it coincided with a time when were desperate to be seen to get the next Big Thing as a central defender, someone who chose Utd, someone we could style as the next VVD. Our very own transformational leader.
He's been bit a bit unlucky with the manager churn, the shift in systems and the whole captaincy thing, but the reality is that he's never had much pace and is devoid of any mobility. His confidence has disintegrated - he very obviously lacks trust in other players - and we're now at the liability stage.
It's on him and his advisors from here but you hope he goes and there's a deal to be done. It's right for us (we get something back on a rapidly declining asset); right for a team like WHU (he'd be OK for them); and right for him (a chance to repair his reputation and retain favour with Gareth).
Gosh, Harry Maguire, where to start? I'm not wild about him - he's not a terrible player (really, he's not) but he was a terrible signing. He's a textbook example of the hype that too often surrounds England (E-N-G-E-R-L-A-N-D?). Hype fuelled by the usual suspects in the tabloid media. Like The Sun. Honestly, savvy recruiters should always have red flags on newbie, now 'world class', England players. All the more as, outside of tournament end stages, international games are low-grade.
Harry was the exception to the Tarkowskis, the Dan Burns and the Ben Mee types - for the record, all pretty decent players - because he got picked, stayed put and scored headers, all at a time when England got better and became likeable. Unfortunately for us, it coincided with a time when were desperate to be seen to get the next Big Thing as a central defender, someone who chose Utd, someone we could style as the next VVD. Our very own transformational leader.
He's been bit a bit unlucky with the manager churn, the shift in systems and the whole captaincy thing, but the reality is that he's never had much pace and is devoid of any mobility. His confidence has disintegrated - he very obviously lacks trust in other players - and we're now at the liability stage.
It's on him and his advisors from here but you hope he goes and there's a deal to be done. It's right for us (we get something back on a rapidly declining asset); right for a team like WHU (he'd be OK for them); and right for him (a chance to repair his reputation and retain favour with Gareth).
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