Fair enough, you are correct we wouldn't depreciate at the +1 as it wasn't expected asset length, didn't realise it was a 6+1, my God...
Maguire | he stays!
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It was a 6 year contract with 2 years left, not 5.
Because after they took into account the payoff, they felt it was better to keep Maguire than sell him.why would they do that after accepting the offfer
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That last point seems like a bit of misdirection. Personal terms are usually done up front, through intermediaries. Of course he wouldn't have spoken to Moyes at that point.
You do not need a hundred of them. Just 8 (4 from the club), if you want to have a 25 men squad. Of course, it is not necessary to have a 25 men squad, many teams are completely fine with fewer players.
Currently, we have as homegrown:
Heaton
Henderson
Evans
Maguire
Shaw
Williams
McTominay
Mount
Voldemort
Sancho
Rashford
Diallo
with the italic ones being also club homegrown players. Assuming that we want a 25 men squad (again, this is not necessary and many clubs opt for less) we can immediately sell 4 of them and still be completely fine. Of course, hopefully soon more of them will leave, but by that time Garnacho would need to be registered, and he is homegrown too. Assuming that someone else from the academy might make it too (Mainoo, Hannibal etc) that would be enough to register 25 players in a couple of years.
And worse thing worst, if you have only 7 homrgrowns, you still can register 3 goalkeepers, 8 defenders, 6 midfielders, and 7 forwards. Plus an unlimited number of kids that are below 21 years old. Which should be more than enough.
According to some reports, Maguire agreed personal terms with West Ham weeks ago.
But according to your quote, there are alternative reports saying Maguire never even talked to West Ham.
Either way, your assertion that talks on a contract "didnt go anywhere" are false. Because either talks happened and were completed. Or they never happened and can't be used as an example of him being greedy since nothing relating to his greed even got that far.
I really hope he gets 0 minutes in the PL and CL until Saudi comes with a £50m bid paying all his wages. Remember that the Arabs' transfer window closes September 20.
Not buying Erik's comments, he'd prefer Evans as bench option.
Not buying Erik's comments, he'd prefer Evans as bench option.
That's exactly what pisses me off. Maguire shouldn't have registered in any official squad. I don't get why we're clinging on him
Thanks, not a short supply for United at the moment.
The figure is quoted anywhere between 7 and 15m. If it is 2 year payout then it's basically 0 on our books.
Having said that, next year we won't receive anywhere near 30m in terms of transfer fee, so we will net negative if we don't sell him by the end of the window, which is obviously worse.
The way I see it, in a negotiation every party has its bargaining position and ideally, you end up meeting somewhere in the middle with both parties benefitting. Maguire's leverage is that he is willing to see out his contract. Yours is that you don't plan with him and he has interest in playing. So every compromise means that there will be a severance package because if not Maguire is the only one making any concessions. You can't expect him to just renounce money for the wellbeing of a club that wants to get rid of him. The only thing you can do is negotiate - and negotiating is optional, you can't blame anybody for not be willing to negotiate or only doing it reluctantly.
As said, nobody would criticize a football club if it refuses to sell its best player to another club (well, actually some fans in here do when the interested club is named Manchester United and I'm willing to bet many of them are ones criticizing Maguire in here).
Jacob Steinberg said personal terms were agreed:
Whereas nameless "sources close to Maguire stress that personal terms were never agreed and the player did not speak to West Ham manager David Moyes about a move."
So either terms were agreed, or discussions never happened.
None of us know the full truth. But Jacob Steinberg is more likely to be correct as he actually put his name to the news and seems to have links to the situation. But whatever the case, there is nothing to suggest that
Because all we've heard is that talks either went well past that point, or never even got close to it.
That's hard for me to answer as I keep seeing posts that there are negative FFP consequences ito United f we accept too low of a transfer fee, such as 20m. I have no idea why this would be the case.
But apart from that, I would say 30m feels about right. No contract buyout or ongoing wage subsidy. We give West Ham or whoever Harry and they give us 30m and we're done.
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I don’t think it’s petty to think somebody being greedy because he’s only receiving £7m instead of £15m is a bit of a dick.
Each to their own. I think he’s a greedy, tone deaf, police assaulting wanker, who isn’t worth half of what he’s paid and should be thanking his lucky stars he gets what he already gets.
He’s entitled to no more than the difference in salary. People are reacting to him wanting more on top of that. Maybe you’ve failed to understand that rather than it being misdirected. That’s a you problem.
Okay, who were Jacob's sources?
You’ve got feck all evidence he’s requesting £15m other than the Scum newspaper. If you want to start believing stories and calling him a wanker for it at least back them up with reliable sources.
Who is he?
Irrational hatred > waiting for facts
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That’s true, but the facts we have are that it has fallen apart for some reason and it’s linked to his demands. There’s no more reliable source than the fact the fat headed twat is still at our club.
If ETH wanted him gone, he would have told him privately that he’s not part of the plans like Fred. The fact he is coming out and saying he can fight for his place indicates to me that he hasn’t said that so Maguire May be inclined to stay. Obviously he’s speaking in public but you can always say it in different terms and people know what you mean.
He has to realise that he isn't liked much, does he think things are going to suddenly turnaround for him this season or something, like he is going to waste a part of career by staying here, I guess money speaks!
Can you back that up with a source? I mean we stripped the captaincy from him, will give the armband to just about anybody before we would give it to him, play Lindelof and sometimes Shaw ahead of him and accepted a transfer offer for him. I don’t think Ten Hag can be any more subtle about this. Either Maguire is being greedy or he’s stupider than he looks. Which would be almost impossible.
No which is why I said ‘indicates to me’. I agree it would be best if he left for him and the club but we will have to see how it goes and if he stays, how he is used.
It's about time you understand that what's been said in interviews and pressers is not what's being said behind closed doors. I think it's fairly obvious that he's no longer captain and Luke Shaw is preferred at CB over him that he's not exactly fancied by the manager. Feck me it's not rocket science.
You remember when he said De Gea was a legend of the club and wanted him to stay ? Or when he said DVB/Fred had a lot of good qualities and can be of use to United ?...
Guess he's staying as a back up centre back.
United could be ruthless and actually relegate him to the reserves for the rest of the window but i doubt that will happen. Arsenal did it with Ozil (iirc) and Real Madrid did it to David Beckham, who to his immense credit, fought his way back into the first team. We also did it to Bastian.
United could be ruthless and actually relegate him to the reserves for the rest of the window but i doubt that will happen. Arsenal did it with Ozil (iirc) and Real Madrid did it to David Beckham, who to his immense credit, fought his way back into the first team. We also did it to Bastian.
I’m fully aware there are two different conversations in public and private. If that is the case then it’s strange Maguire is choosing to stay. He will inevitably lose his England place with no action ahead of the Euros.
A player can refuse to be sold, its their right, eg Mbappe, if PSG wants to bench him the whole season (crazy decision but) that would be their choice and a price he is prepared to pay.
Also a club can refuse to sell or slap a huge price tag on a player, again their right. However there are risks to keeping an unhappy player on a long contract - we had to let Ronaldo go in 2009 not because we wanted to but there is only so long you can keep a player whose head is gone. If you are fair to the player you would let him go eventually for reasonable price.
He is not rinsing the club by staying and honouring his contract, that is his right. But he would have been better off coming and saying he wants to stay to fight for his place. Fans wont like it since they want him gone for ages but it would be a different reaction. However, thats not why he is staying. He is staying because he has put a ridiculously unfair price on the table. This where the rinsing comes in.
He is allowed to do that, but whether its the club or player there are consequences to being unreasonable (greedy) and not meeting the other party half way.
Now if a player decides to stay despite you not wanting him what do you do as a manager ? You have to reintegrate him in the team... I know people would love for him to be dropped to the reserves and never play a minute but the fact of the matter is if Varane and Lindelof are out we're going to need him. It is what it is.
Want to blame someone for Maguire staying you can blame Woodward for giving him a joke of a contract...
We don’t have a choice other than to use Maguire as a squad player and play when needed. There is no luxury to drop him to the reserves. The lack of CB depth is clearly an issue including the lack of young talent at the club in that position.
So how does the book look like now he stays
season 2023/2024, 2024/2025
- 26m asset write down
- 20m wage
= - 46m
Is this correct?
So it is 7m revenue vs 46m expense over 2 years, correct?
Exactly, in an ideal world we sell him and use the money on Pavard/Todibo but if it doesn't happen it would be stupid to drop him to the reserves as like you said there will definitely come a time in the season when he'll have to be used.
Hopefully though, our defenders are fit all season and he doesn't play a minute, then Southgate won't call him up...
Why does it matter to you? Are you paying him? Did you sign the contract? I just don't understand the vitriol toward a player negotiating for a payout on money owed to him.
Sure, it sucks he won't move on, but I don't see anything he's done wrong. It's the club's fault for offering that contract, not the player's for refusing to lowball himself.
i mean based on how it seems with his usage towards the end of last season and moving forward, im inclined to believe that EtH doesnt really want Harry. He also isnt stupid enough to burn all the bridges on the chance he remains with the club after the window. Would love to be a fly on the wall with the various convos
Fair point, in my figures I failed to account for the amortization that would occur if he stayed, so in reality the net benefit from selling him would be even larger.
Stay:
-23m this season (-13m amort, -10m wage)
-23m next season
Total: -46m
Leave, assuming one-time payoff of 7m:
-3m this season (-26m writedown, -7m payoff, +30m transfer fee)
0m next season
Total: -3m
Net benefit of 20m this season and 23m next season.
Leave, with worst-case scenario of recurring 15m payoff:
-11m this season (-26m writedown, -15m payoff, +30m transfer fee)
-15m next season
Total: -26m
Net benefit of 12m this season and 8m next season.
Selling him and paying him off is a no-brainer.
Disclaimer: I am dumb, somebody please check my numbers
As said, it is completely up to him as he's not obliged to give even inch of hid bargaining position away. Actually any offer is more than you can expect. If he demands more than the salary difference than it is because his exit is worth more to you than further employing him would cost. You have maneuvered yourself into this situation yourself, he's not to blame as long as he's giving the best he can. Not his fault if you wrongly considered him good enough for your objectives.
It is within his rights to demand whatever he wants as long as he's honouring his contract. As said, seek the error with yourself not woth others.
Everybody has rights. His right to demand what he wants. My right to boo him every time he steps on the pitch. Clubs right to hopefully rarely play him. So let's all just excercise our rights.
Are wages definitely built into accounts in that way? If so, it's a bit of a mystery as to why Maguire is still here. The reasoning about not being able to afford a replacement doesn't really wash.